Trades and Free Agency Thread - Quarantine reduced to 7 days

[Fonzieleaf]

So when you care enough to send the very best you send a HallUllmark card?

that will go over the heads of anyone under 40 here.....

I'm under 40 and I get the joke lol

 

[Pinto]

but that’s not retention. That’s the whole point. If we have the contract back. Then we have the contract.

I get that we can’t just trade the 1.2 we have now. We are paying that salary.

but if we get the player back....... then we have the player and the full contract? You can’t have retention on a contract you have.

you aren’t retaining anything anymore. Who knows how they would rule.
We were told that there was no LTIR in the summer. Then there was.

we were told you can’t buyout a player and sign them back. Then Colorado did. So did Calgary

We were told you can’t trade dead cap hits. Pronger was working for the league and his contract was traded multiple times.

who knows how it would go. But that’s a dumb rule.

Unfortunately it doesn’t work like that. Once you retain on a contract it’s there on your cap until it’s done. This exact scenario has been brought up here over the years.

 

[Griffin76]

Can guys be claimed off/put on waivers after the TDL and still qualify for the playoffs?

 

[Avilaj07]

I still think the ideal deal is with Buffalo for Hall and Ullmark. Then make a separate deal for some depth defenseman.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I still think the ideal deal is with Buffalo for Hall and Ullmark. Then make a separate deal for some depth defenseman.

I wouldn't call it an "ideal" deal, but it shouldn't be pricey and it is probably the best one we can make right now.

 

[cookie]

Need me some Nick Holden, the golden 3rd pairing LD that just hit waivers

 

[Clark4Ever]

I still think the ideal deal is with Buffalo for Hall and Ullmark. Then make a separate deal for some depth defenseman.

Yeah, kill two birds with one stone..

 

[Legion34]

Unfortunately it doesn’t work like that. Once you retain on a contract it’s there on your cap until it’s done. This exact scenario has been brought up here over the years.

But has it been tested? We were told the same thing about multiple scenarios I listed above and were convinced it couldn’t happen. Then they all did.

there has been a new CBA. Teams are broke. I personally. Have an incredibly hard time believing that betman (who altered the punishment. Of the coyotes—- that was supposed to be money too) wouldn’t want to find a way to get the yotes a few million.

but I guess we will see if that happens. It’s a hypothetical. People are way to quick to jump to the same rules that have led them astray before on buyouts/LTIR etc

 

[Avilaj07]

I wouldn't call it an "ideal" deal, but it shouldn't be pricey and it is probably the best one we can make right now.

Getting Hall and Ullmark slides everyone into their proper positions on this team.

Hall-Matthews-Marner
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Engvall-Hyman
Thornton-Spezza-Simmonds

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Hall
Dermott-Bogosian
Oleksiak

Ullmark 1a
Campbell 1b

Anderson LTIR for season or used in Buffalo trade
Move Kerfoot for cap space

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Even if Kerfoot goes the other way, getting Hall and Ullmark under the cap would require quite the cap finagling. Is Ullmark outright replacing Andersen or is he just coming in as insurance? If it's a former then it'll be easier to fit both players in, but that itself will also be risky as Ullmark is unproven in the playoffs, though I suppose that's better than Andersen being proven to be incapable of getting the job done.

 

[LeafChief]

I remember Ghostibehere was considered an overpayment for a deal involving Nylander.

The main boards are the f***ing best.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Getting Hall and Ullmark slides everyone into their proper positions on this team.

Hall-Matthews-Marner
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Engvall-Hyman
Thornton-Spezza-Simmonds

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Hall
Dermott-Bogosian
Oleksiak

Ullmark 1a
Campbell 1b

Anderson LTIR for season or used in Buffalo trade
Move Kerfoot for cap space

We are not getting Oleksiak as a depth guy (nor is Dermott going to be a depth guy) and I don't think Kerfoot for cap space is going to happen. If he is a main piece in the trade to Buffalo and not many other futures are going the other way, then maybe.

 

[MarMarSab3]

The team built as is Im not sure is enough to win a SC, a 3C with bite ala Boone Jenner and a 1LW/2LW ala Nick Foligno puts this team over the top IMHO

Foligno Matthews Marner
Gally Tavares Marner
Mikheyev Jenner Hyman
Simmonds Engvall Spezza

 

[Fogelhund]

Even if Kerfoot goes the other way, getting Hall and Ullmark under the cap would require quite the cap finagling. Is Ullmark outright replacing Andersen or is he just coming in as insurance? If it's a former then it'll be easier to fit both players in, but that itself will also be risky as Ullmark is unproven in the playoffs, though I suppose that's better than Andersen being proven to be incapable of getting the job done.

Ullmark and Hall @ 50% each, for Andersen + picks/prospects to get the trade done, results in a reduction in our cap of $89.384. In addition, you are removing a roster forward, even if it's a guy like Barabanov, we end up with a $400,000 lower cap, than before the transaction.

Kerfoot doesn't need to be moved on this transaction.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Ullmark and Hall @ 50% each, for Andersen + picks/prospects to get the trade done, results in a reduction in our cap of $89.384. In addition, you are removing a roster forward, even if it's a guy like Barabanov, we end up with a $400,000 lower cap, than before the transaction.

Kerfoot doesn't need to be moved on this transaction.

An LTIR could also be used. It's not like either Campbell or Andersen have been healthy. My preference would be to add a goalie to our depth rather than take away from it. I've no faith in Andersen, but Campbell and Ullmark are pretty unproven themselves.

 

[Budz]

Ullmark and Hall @ 50% each, for Andersen + picks/prospects to get the trade done, results in a reduction in our cap of $89.384. In addition, you are removing a roster forward, even if it's a guy like Barabanov, we end up with a $400,000 lower cap, than before the transaction.

Kerfoot doesn't need to be moved on this transaction.

Ive been saying this all along. Freddie is the key to cap space. He is not hard to move either.

 

[LeafParade]

Ullmark and Hall @ 50% each, for Andersen + picks/prospects to get the trade done, results in a reduction in our cap of $89.384. In addition, you are removing a roster forward, even if it's a guy like Barabanov, we end up with a $400,000 lower cap, than before the transaction.

Kerfoot doesn't need to be moved on this transaction.

This is the ideal situation, then you lose Kerfoot in expansion but keep the rest of the team intact.

 

[123offtheglass]

We are not getting Oleksiak as a depth guy (nor is Dermott going to be a depth guy) and I don't think Kerfoot for cap space is going to happen. If he is a main piece in the trade to Buffalo and not many other futures are going the other way, then maybe.

Why? It's unlikely but so are most trades & it's not like it doesn't make sense; improves the team... It's very common for teams to either improve their bottom pair, add toughness, and/or add a quality NHL defenceman before the TDL.

 

[Dreakmur]

This is the ideal situation, then you lose Kerfoot in expansion but keep the rest of the team intact.

I'd be surprised if we lost Kerfoot to expansion.

The only reason to pick him is to save money and pay less money than his cap hit. I'm not sure Seattle doesn't want to be good quickly instead.

 

[Fogelhund]

I'd be surprised if we lost Kerfoot to expansion.

The only reason to pick him is to save money and pay less money than his cap hit. I'm not sure Seattle doesn't want to be good quickly instead.

He might be one of the better C's left unprotected.

 

[Mickey Marner]

LeBrun says Francis is asking for a 1st+prospect to take on cap dumps. I'd just go 4/4 and let Seattle take who they take at that point. I wouldn't trade for any non-rental though with that being the rumoured price.

 

[LeafParade]

I'd be surprised if we lost Kerfoot to expansion.

The only reason to pick him is to save money and pay less money than his cap hit. I'm not sure Seattle doesn't want to be good quickly instead.

I scanned most of the mock protected lists and Kerfoot would clearly be a top 6 C for Seattle. Defenders and goalies are easy, top 6 forwards are slim pickings.

 

[LeafSteel]

I'm under 40 and I get the joke lol

You had me with the Fonzie avatar.

Your wisdom beyond your years was in full display from the beginning.....

 

[Iapyi]

Crouse sucks and we'd have to pay a lot for them to give up Hayton. Not sure Shanny, Dubas, or Kessel will want to deal with that circus again either. It is not really Phil's fault, and he wouldn't be terrible if it wasn't for his ridiculously high cap hit, but I don't see us going that route over a Taylor Hall.

Yes he would. The LAST thing this team needs is a player with his playing style on our team. I'm shuddering just thinking about it but it's not to bad because I am confident there is no way the organization is that stupid again.

 

[Iapyi]

He provides a ton of versatility and is not really bad at anything. Plus he is a major asset on the PK. I think the Leafs like all of that a lot. Fans probably prefer a very specialized 3C who is really good at one or two things even if they don't bring much else but Keefe emphasizes the value of being able to move around the lineup, providing value in a variety of ways, and Kerfoot is arguably the best role guy on our team at doing that outside of Hyman (although Hyman can't play center).

He is far from irreplaceable and if we do lose him to expansion then there will be options to be able to fill his role in fairly good capacity, but I don't think we are going to see cap savings or much of an upgrade at that spot unless we can get lucky with a center version of Mikheyev in the European/NCAA UFA market or an all-around version of Spezza as a bargain bin UFA. Kapanen had Mikheyev to replace him, and we had a variety of options to replace Johnsson. Kerfoot is tougher to replace and I don't think the Leafs want him out the door as most fans do right now.

You are right that Kerfoot provides a lot of veratility. He has great speed and work ethic.

I really don't think "most fans" want him gone but rather it's the typical mentality of those that need a whipping boy or their life is incomplete.