Trades and Free Agency Thread - Quarantine reduced to 7 days

[SeaOfBlue]

If we were to trade with a north team. Would we have to have the 7 day quarantine?


Also. We need to not worry about who we lose in expansion.

Kerfoot. Engvall. Anderson.
Holl. Dermott.
Campbell.

can only lose 1. There are better options at all positions in FA.

We mostly have to worry about Kerfoot, Holl, Dermott, and Campbell. Not too worried about Engvall or even Anderson (although it would suck to lose either as well).

There are guys who can replace Kerfoot and Holl right now but I am not sure "better" would be the right word to use. They'd be similar quality and likely cost the same, if not possibly more, on the cap to bring in. Unless of course you are referring to guys like RNH who is in an entirely different category of player and would be significantly more expensive.

 

[Faltorvo]

Thornton SHOULD be the odd man out of the lineup, but it’ll probably be Engvall or Kerfoot via trade.

If we can upgrade on Dermott on the backend, that would be fantastic as well.

Engvall is not going anywhere,,,,you can book that

he is just 24 ,,,6.5 215 and this is his rookie season as a C in the NHL and he looks bloody good at it

A 1.25m 3rd C is not something they will move out

 

[123offtheglass]

We mostly have to worry about Kerfoot, Holl, Dermott, and Campbell. Not too worried about Engvall or even Anderson (although it would suck to lose either as well).

There are guys who can replace Kerfoot and Holl right now but I am not sure "better" would be the right word to use. They'd be similar quality and likely cost the same, if not possibly more, on the cap to bring in. Unless of course you are referring to guys like RNH who is in an entirely different category of player and would be significantly more expensive.

Goodrow, Laughton, Cizikas are a few Toronto native centres likely to make less than 3.5m, especially on a hometown discount. It's almost impossible for Tampa to keep Goodrow; I'd place my money on him.

 

[Faltorvo]

XXX - Matthews - Marner
Galchenyuk - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Engvall - Hyman
Simmonds - Kerfoot - Spezza

If the team is healthy and playing well I see Thornton being the odd man out unless Keefe (from most to least likely):
1. Splits up HEM line
2. Splits up Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander
3. Swaps Thornton for Simmonds
4. It's a game 7

Odds are it won't problem when everyone is either not healthy or Thornton is in and out of the lineup, which is good for managing his workload as long as he's a good teammate that takes it well. Pretty sure he'd still be in the room with them, just not on the bench or ice during those times.

i'm telling you right now,,,you better get used to and happy seeing Sims on #1

that is where he will be come PO time

 

[Faltorvo]

Galy's played well but they need a few more games to see if he's "the guy" or not for that 2LW spot. I agree that an upgrade on Dermott would really round out the group right now. Oleksiak would IMO be an absolutely perfect fit.

Given all the changes in league standings,,beside our goalie concerns ,

,i think i have D Savard and Oleksiak as my 2 must gets

our PO D depth is pathetic

 

[Legion34]

My galaxy brain idea is to trade with Arizona in the offseason. They are broke

they owe kessel 6 million next year.

5 mill Sb and 1 million salary. We already pay about 1 million of that. With escrow at like 18% they will owe him

3.35 on July 1. We could pay that and either trade him back on full hit or trade him to another team he wants to go to.

Clears 1.2 million of space.

that would give them 3 million. We could easily get a player or prospect or use that as part of a trade.....


might get cruise or hayton or inside track on a goalie.

would be worth it to get the 1.2 in cap. That would cover most of humans raise.

 

[BlueForever75]

Ideally I want to see Foligno acquired, I want lines setup as follows for playoffs:

Foligno-Matthews-Marner
Gally-Tavares-Nylander
Hyman-Kerfoot-Micheyev
Thornton-Spezza-Simmonds
Engvall

PP1

Reilly-Marner-Matthews-Hyman-Thornton

PP2

Brodie-Nylander-Tavares-Simmonds-Gally

PK1

Muzzin-Holl-Hyman-Marner

PK2

Brodie-Bogosian-Kerfoot-Micheyev

 

[Warden of the North]

High unlikely Calgary is catching Montreal. The games in hand (SIX) is way too much for them to overcome.

Look for them to start selling Id think.

Also, Florida is taking Ghost (if he even makes it that far). They have the cap room to do it.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

My galaxy brain idea is to trade with Arizona in the offseason. They are broke

they owe kessel 6 million next year.

5 mill Sb and 1 million salary. We already pay about 1 million of that. With escrow at like 18% they will owe him

3.35 on July 1. We could pay that and either trade him back on full hit or trade him to another team he wants to go to.

Clears 1.2 million of space.

that would give them 3 million. We could easily get a player or prospect or use that as part of a trade.....


might get cruise or hayton or inside track on a goalie.

would be worth it to get the 1.2 in cap. That would cover most of humans raise.

Crouse sucks and we'd have to pay a lot for them to give up Hayton. Not sure Shanny, Dubas, or Kessel will want to deal with that circus again either. It is not really Phil's fault, and he wouldn't be terrible if it wasn't for his ridiculously high cap hit, but I don't see us going that route over a Taylor Hall.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Goodrow, Laughton, Cizikas are a few Toronto native centres likely to make less than 3.5m, especially on a hometown discount. It's almost impossible for Tampa to keep Goodrow; I'd place my money on him.

We don't know if any of them take hometown discounts at their age. It's one thing to expect it with Hyman, who has been here his entire pro career here on top of loving the team and having a bunch of built-in sponsorship deals locked in, and a guy who is in his late-20's/early 30's likely looking for their last big pay day and going to a brand new team without any of those sponsorship deals and stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them are at least in that 3-3.5 mill range on their next deals either, which means you are not really saving much on Kerfoot.

 

[Legion34]

Crouse sucks and we'd have to pay a lot for them to give up Hayton. Not sure Shanny, Dubas, or Kessel will want to deal with that circus again either. It is not really Phil's fault, and he wouldn't be terrible if it wasn't for his ridiculously high cap hit, but I don't see us going that route over a Taylor Hall.

the point in the offseason. Is to get rid of the 1.2 in Phil’s cap hit next year.

take him. Pay the bonus and trade him back at full hit.

they would save 3 million. We would get out from under the hit.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

High unlikely Calgary is catching Montreal. The games in hand (SIX) is way too much for them to overcome.

Look for them to start selling Id think.

Also, Florida is taking Ghost (if he even makes it that far). They have the cap room to do it.

I don't see why people think anyone is going to claim Gostisbehere. He is a cap dump quality defenseman making 4.5 mill. I wouldn't be surprised if Philly has to pay to dump him and even take on some salary to move his contract out, but it should open up the lane for them to get Ekholm.

 

[123offtheglass]

If Leafs are without cap space for depth D after acquiring a rental forward, most of these options should be essentially free or cost a conditional 7th at most. I believe they are all waiver exempt, so they could be buried without cap hit until the playoffs if they happen to ever need them; fingers crossed they won't though.

Waiver exempt:
- Jack Johnson (L)
- Michael Stone (R)
- Alex Petrovic (R)
- Madison Bowey (R)
- Nate Prosser (R)
- Andy Welinski (R)
- Alex Biega (R)
- Gabriel Carlsson (L)

 

[123offtheglass]

We don't know if any of them take hometown discounts at their age. It's one thing to expect it with Hyman, who has been here his entire pro career here on top of loving the team and having a bunch of built-in sponsorship deals locked in, and a guy who is in his late-20's/early 30's likely looking for their last big pay day and going to a brand new team without any of those sponsorship deals and stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them are at least in that 3-3.5 mill range on their next deals either, which means you are not really saving much on Kerfoot.

Would prefer all of them over Kerfoot anyways, especially Goodrow, so it's a win in my books. The money saved on a downgrade can be put to better use, Kefoot just isn't a good fit for the Leafs.

 

[Martin Skoula]

the point in the offseason. Is to get rid of the 1.2 in Phil’s cap hit next year.

take him. Pay the bonus and trade him back at full hit.

they would save 3 million. We would get out from under the hit.

I don't think his retention gets re-absorbed into his contract if we trade for him, we're paying out that 1.2 mil no matter what.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Would prefer all of them over Kerfoot anyways, especially Goodrow, so it's a win in my books. The money saved on a downgrade can be put to better use, Kefoot just isn't a good fit for the Leafs.

He provides a ton of versatility and is not really bad at anything. Plus he is a major asset on the PK. I think the Leafs like all of that a lot. Fans probably prefer a very specialized 3C who is really good at one or two things even if they don't bring much else but Keefe emphasizes the value of being able to move around the lineup, providing value in a variety of ways, and Kerfoot is arguably the best role guy on our team at doing that outside of Hyman (although Hyman can't play center).

He is far from irreplaceable and if we do lose him to expansion then there will be options to be able to fill his role in fairly good capacity, but I don't think we are going to see cap savings or much of an upgrade at that spot unless we can get lucky with a center version of Mikheyev in the European/NCAA UFA market or an all-around version of Spezza as a bargain bin UFA. Kapanen had Mikheyev to replace him, and we had a variety of options to replace Johnsson. Kerfoot is tougher to replace and I don't think the Leafs want him out the door as most fans do right now.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

If Leafs are without cap space for depth D after acquiring a rental forward, most of these options should be essentially free or cost a conditional 7th at most. I believe they are all waiver exempt, so they could be buried without cap hit until the playoffs if they happen to ever need them; fingers crossed they won't though.

Waiver exempt:
- Jack Johnson (L)
- Michael Stone (R)
- Alex Petrovic (R)
- Madison Bowey (R)
- Nate Prosser (R)
- Andy Welinski (R)
- Alex Biega (R)
- Gabriel Carlsson (L)

Jack Johnson is hurt for the rest of the season I am fairly sure. He also sucks and is arguably worse than just rolling with Marincin.

I would take Biega. He is a good depth RD and likely won't cost more than a throw-away prospect to acquire. The rest, probably not. Wolanin would have been decent too, and maybe another Galchenyuk deal can be swung, but I think the Leafs like their LD depth right now.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I don't think his retention gets re-absorbed into his contract if we trade for him, we're paying out that 1.2 mil no matter what.

That is what I was going to say.

 

[Fogelhund]

 

[Legion34]

I don't think his retention gets re-absorbed into his contract if we trade for him, we're paying out that 1.2 mil no matter what.

why? That would make no sense?

if we traded for him and kept him would we have to pay extra? It would be absorbed back in once we traded for him right?

We would be paying the 8 million.

 

[Fogelhund]

why? That would make no sense?

if we traded for him and kept him would we have to pay extra? It would be absorbed back in once we traded for him right?

We would be paying the 8 million.

If we traded for Phil Kessel, we'd be paying his current cap hit of $6.8 mil. We'd also be paying his retention of $1.2 mil. They don't get combined back together.

If we traded him, we'd be trading his cap hit of $6.8 mil.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Really they should make retention a tradeable (negative) asset, I'm sure Detroit would love to pick up a couple 1-2 mil short-term retentions for some top-90 picks. Imagine the haul Buffalo could get for 3-4 years of Eichel at 50% if they knew they could get rid of the 5 mil cap hit for a 1st once they finish rebuilding the rebuild of the rebuild.

 

[Legion34]

If we traded for Phil Kessel, we'd be paying his current cap hit of $6.8 mil. We'd also be paying his retention of $1.2 mil. They don't get combined back together.

If we traded him, we'd be trading his cap hit of $6.8 mil.

that makes zero sense. I haven’t seen anything to say one way or another. But that’s the dumbest thing I can think of.

 

[Pinto]

that makes zero sense. I haven’t seen anything to say one way or another. But that’s the dumbest thing I can think of.

You can’t trade retention, otherwise it would be done all the time. If we traded for Kessel and then traded him again we still have the 1.2 against the cap.

 

[Legion34]

You can’t trade retention, otherwise it would be done all the time. If we traded for Kessel and then traded him again we still have the 1.2 against the cap.

but that’s not retention. That’s the whole point. If we have the contract back. Then we have the contract.

I get that we can’t just trade the 1.2 we have now. We are paying that salary.

but if we get the player back....... then we have the player and the full contract? You can’t have retention on a contract you have.

you aren’t retaining anything anymore. Who knows how they would rule.
We were told that there was no LTIR in the summer. Then there was.

we were told you can’t buyout a player and sign them back. Then Colorado did. So did Calgary

We were told you can’t trade dead cap hits. Pronger was working for the league and his contract was traded multiple times.

who knows how it would go. But that’s a dumb rule.