Trades and Free Agency Thread - Quarantine reduced to 7 days

[LeafChief]

comparable trades did not ask them to retain 50% of 3.75m for 1.5 seasons in a dead cap world from a team battling to make the POs this and next season.

the leverage is Seattle,,they gonna lose a damn good D if they hold onto Ekholm

If you think Nashville is retaining 50% on Ekholm, you're a fool.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Rakell may not be an option now.

 

[kb]

Gut feeling is that Dubas will push for Palmieri.

Guess we'll see if the Devils work out an extension.

The rumour is that the Leafs are on his no-trade. But again, just speculation....

 

[LeafChief]

The rumour is that the Leafs are on his no-trade. But again, just speculation....

I remember reading that that had a lot to do with the 14 day quarantine (same with Staal).

Hopefully with the new rules, maybe he would be interested at this point?

 

[Dreakmur]

Geesuz,,,i like the idea of TZ but that 5.75m cap hit,, woof,,,even if it's ;laundered down to us,,,the asset costs in that alone hurts

That's why I had Kerfoot going the other way. We can't afford him next season anyway, so may as well unload him now, especially if an upgrade like Zajac comes back to replace him.

 

[Faltorvo]

Ekblad is done for the season,,HUGE knee blow out

season over for the panthers

 

[aingefan]

Ekblad is done for the season,,HUGE knee blow out

Eek. Always a shame when serious injuries happen.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Eek. Always a shame when serious injuries happen.

Ekblad appears to also be out long term to injury now. Maybe this pushes Florida to pay the Ekholm asking price.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Ekblad is done for the season,,HUGE knee blow out

season over for the panthers

That guy has the worst luck ever. Finally gets through the concussion issues then has this happen. Just terrible.

 

[123offtheglass]

Columbus just lost to Detroit yesterday and are playing them again today; there next 6 games after that up until April 8: @ TBL, @ TBL, @ FLA, @ FLA, VS TBL, VS TBL.

Think Foligno would be a great add for playoff hockey, he can play anywhere as well.

I think Columbus are going to end up being sellers here. Just lost 2 to the red wings and 4 of their next 6 games are against Tampa. The other two are against Florida, lol.

Think there is a strong chance Columbus becomes sellers, maybe even sometime in the next few days or week. Our favorite Foligno may come to the Leafs after all Speculation: - Leafs Rental Forward

Foligno would require double retention to acquire unless Kerfoot were sent the other way. In that case I'd hope they could land Laughton from the Flyers as well; team would be much grittier & tougher to play against for the playoffs. Highly unlikely but they could fit in Oleksiak cap wise too, & that would be ideal.

Foligno - Matthews - Marner
Chucky/Jumbo - Tavares - Nylander
Simmonds - Laughton - Spezza
Mikheyev - Engvall - Hyman

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Oleksiak - Bogosian

Give Hyman extra reps on 1st & 2nd lines.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Ekblad is done for the season,,HUGE knee blow out

season over for the panthers

So the Central is pretty much a complete joke now. North is easily the second hardest division in the league now, not that it was really a question in the first place.

 

[Leaftors]

Think there is a strong chance Columbus becomes sellers, maybe even sometime in the next few days or week. Our favorite Foligno may come to the Leafs after all Speculation: - Leafs Rental Forward

Foligno would require double retention to acquire unless Kerfoot were sent the other way. In that case I'd hope they could land Laughton from the Flyers as well; team would be much grittier & tougher to play against for the playoffs. Highly unlikely but they could fit in Oleksiak cap wise too, & that would be ideal.

Foligno - Matthews - Marner
Chucky/Jumbo - Tavares - Nylander
Simmonds - Laughton - Spezza
Mikheyev - Engvall - Hyman

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Oleksiak - Bogosian

Give Hyman extra reps on 1st & 2nd lines.

Foligno is garbage man. I’d rather have simmonds on the first line than him. There’s no point in going after that type of player when we already have him in Wayne.

 

[Avilaj07]

People really need to stop putting Simmonds and Thornton on Matthews and Marners line. They don't have the speed to keep up anymore. The reason why Hyman works so well with them is because he has the speed to forecheck, the strength to fend off defenders, and has the chemistry with Matthews and Marner already. Thornton and Simmonds just can't keep up anymore. If we're looking for a top 6 winger, I'd go after hall and put him on the top line. Keep Gally with Tavares and Nylander considering they've been showing some great chemistry lately.

Hall-Matthews-Marner (20-22min)
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander (17-19min)
Mikheyev-Engvall-Hyman (13-15min)
Thornton-Spezza-Simmonds (8-10min)

Ship out Kerfoot for whatever you can get.

 

[Faltorvo]

Foligno is garbage man. I’d rather have simmonds on the first line than him. There’s no point in going after that type of player when we already have him in Wayne.

exactly

 

[Jozay]

The rumour is that the Leafs are on his no-trade. But again, just speculation....

Same thing was said about Staal, but he waived to go to montreal. So who knows if he'll waive.

 

[Stephen]

Quite the terrible week for the Panthers. Lost Barkov and Ekblad.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Is Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas ready to go all-in on Daryl Morey’s 5 percent theory? - The Athletic

“If you’ve got even a 5 percent chance to win the title — and that group includes a very small number of teams every year — you’ve gotta be focused all on winning the title.”

That was Daryl Morey, the influential NBA executive, way back in 2012 when he was GM of the Houston Rockets. At the time, Morey, and the rest of pro basketball, were consumed with taking down LeBron James and the juggernaut Miami Heat.

Morey was insisting that teams shouldn’t plan on waiting out the Heat. If an organization had even a fighting chance to win the title — with odds as low as 5 percent — Morey believed it was imperative to do everything possible to accomplish that goal.

Kyle Dubas should heed Morey’s advice as he navigates trade opportunities ahead of the April 12 deadline. The Maple Leafs GM is clearly a fan of Morey’s thinking, even if he hasn’t always adhered to the 5 percent theory during his short time running the Leafs.



Dubas’ Maple Leafs currently have a 10 percent chance of winning the Stanley Cup in 2021, according to our own Dom Luszczyszyn. So if you’re buying the whole 5 percent theory, Dubas should be willing to consider just about anything — within reason — in the days and weeks ahead, with an eye on bringing home Toronto’s first Stanley Cup in 54 years.

Should he be willing to trade prized prospects Nick Robertson or Rasmus Sandin if the return is right? You betcha. Deal another first-round pick, or even multiple top picks? A clear green light to both if it means acquiring talent that helps boost those odds even higher.

The Leafs Cup window is as open as it’s been in recent memory — and may ever be with a playoff format in 2021 that guarantees a Canadian team in the final four.

Opportunities like this are rare. And windows of contention can dry up quickly.

With stars like Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner at the top of their game, and vets like Jason Spezza, Joe Thornton, Wayne Simmonds and Zach Bogosian joining the chase and providing meaningful contributions on one-year deals, the Leafs are built to win now.

Following Morey’s path would require Dubas to be even more aggressive than he’s been at his two trade deadlines as Leafs GM. He should address at least one apparent hole upfront (perhaps two) and/or seek to improve depth on the back end and even in goal perhaps with Frederik Andersen struggling — and now hurt.

Leading up to his first deadline as GM, in 2019, Dubas wisely moved early to address a need on defence, acquiring Jake Muzzin from the Kings in late January. Muzzin, who had an extra year left on his deal, didn’t exactly plug the biggest hole on the team — a partner for Morgan Rielly — but he improved the team’s overall defence corps for two playoff runs. The Leafs extended his contract last February.

“Our preference was always to add players that were going to be here for more than just a few months,” was how Dubas explained his thinking at the time. “And that was certainly one of the things that was appealing about Jake.”

The price for Muzzin was the 22nd overall pick in the 2019 draft (Tobias Bjornfot, 20 NHL games), defensive prospect Sean Durzi (0 NHL games), and Carl Grundstrom, who’s since become a regular upfront for the Kings.

It’s proved to be a shrewd trade for the Leafs.

Just before the 2019 deadline, Dubas made one other deal, flipping Par Lindholm, an expiring contract who wasn’t doing much on the fourth line, for Nic Petan, in an ultimately inconsequential deal.

Perhaps he should have gone even further.

..................

Championship windows can be fleeting. Then can be over before you even realize it.

The Leafs are only guaranteed four more cracks at the postseason while the core of Matthews, Marner and William Nylander are all under team control together.

Matthews and Nylander, along with Muzzin and T.J. Brodie, are scheduled to become free agents in the summer of 2024. Marner and John Tavares are up the year after that.

Zach Hyman is a pending UFA this summer. Morgan Rielly’s deal is up in 2022.

And so while Robertson, looks the part of a future top-six winger, if he’s the price in order to acquire a top trade target, so be it for the Leafs.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Is Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas ready to go all-in on Daryl Morey’s 5 percent theory? - The Athletic

“If you’ve got even a 5 percent chance to win the title — and that group includes a very small number of teams every year — you’ve gotta be focused all on winning the title.”

That was Daryl Morey, the influential NBA executive, way back in 2012 when he was GM of the Houston Rockets. At the time, Morey, and the rest of pro basketball, were consumed with taking down LeBron James and the juggernaut Miami Heat.

Morey was insisting that teams shouldn’t plan on waiting out the Heat. If an organization had even a fighting chance to win the title — with odds as low as 5 percent — Morey believed it was imperative to do everything possible to accomplish that goal.

Kyle Dubas should heed Morey’s advice as he navigates trade opportunities ahead of the April 12 deadline. The Maple Leafs GM is clearly a fan of Morey’s thinking, even if he hasn’t always adhered to the 5 percent theory during his short time running the Leafs.



Dubas’ Maple Leafs currently have a 10 percent chance of winning the Stanley Cup in 2021, according to our own Dom Luszczyszyn. So if you’re buying the whole 5 percent theory, Dubas should be willing to consider just about anything — within reason — in the days and weeks ahead, with an eye on bringing home Toronto’s first Stanley Cup in 54 years.

Should he be willing to trade prized prospects Nick Robertson or Rasmus Sandin if the return is right? You betcha. Deal another first-round pick, or even multiple top picks? A clear green light to both if it means acquiring talent that helps boost those odds even higher.

The Leafs Cup window is as open as it’s been in recent memory — and may ever be with a playoff format in 2021 that guarantees a Canadian team in the final four.

Opportunities like this are rare. And windows of contention can dry up quickly.

With stars like Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner at the top of their game, and vets like Jason Spezza, Joe Thornton, Wayne Simmonds and Zach Bogosian joining the chase and providing meaningful contributions on one-year deals, the Leafs are built to win now.

Following Morey’s path would require Dubas to be even more aggressive than he’s been at his two trade deadlines as Leafs GM. He should address at least one apparent hole upfront (perhaps two) and/or seek to improve depth on the back end and even in goal perhaps with Frederik Andersen struggling — and now hurt.

Leading up to his first deadline as GM, in 2019, Dubas wisely moved early to address a need on defence, acquiring Jake Muzzin from the Kings in late January. Muzzin, who had an extra year left on his deal, didn’t exactly plug the biggest hole on the team — a partner for Morgan Rielly — but he improved the team’s overall defence corps for two playoff runs. The Leafs extended his contract last February.

“Our preference was always to add players that were going to be here for more than just a few months,” was how Dubas explained his thinking at the time. “And that was certainly one of the things that was appealing about Jake.”

The price for Muzzin was the 22nd overall pick in the 2019 draft (Tobias Bjornfot, 20 NHL games), defensive prospect Sean Durzi (0 NHL games), and Carl Grundstrom, who’s since become a regular upfront for the Kings.

It’s proved to be a shrewd trade for the Leafs.

Just before the 2019 deadline, Dubas made one other deal, flipping Par Lindholm, an expiring contract who wasn’t doing much on the fourth line, for Nic Petan, in an ultimately inconsequential deal.

Perhaps he should have gone even further.

..................

Championship windows can be fleeting. Then can be over before you even realize it.

The Leafs are only guaranteed four more cracks at the postseason while the core of Matthews, Marner and William Nylander are all under team control together.

Matthews and Nylander, along with Muzzin and T.J. Brodie, are scheduled to become free agents in the summer of 2024. Marner and John Tavares are up the year after that.

Zach Hyman is a pending UFA this summer. Morgan Rielly’s deal is up in 2022.

And so while Robertson, looks the part of a future top-six winger, if he’s the price in order to acquire a top trade target, so be it for the Leafs.

Would be a lot easier if the expansion draft wasn't happening.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Is Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas ready to go all-in on Daryl Morey’s 5 percent theory? - The Athletic

“If you’ve got even a 5 percent chance to win the title — and that group includes a very small number of teams every year — you’ve gotta be focused all on winning the title.”

That was Daryl Morey, the influential NBA executive, way back in 2012 when he was GM of the Houston Rockets. At the time, Morey, and the rest of pro basketball, were consumed with taking down LeBron James and the juggernaut Miami Heat.

Morey was insisting that teams shouldn’t plan on waiting out the Heat. If an organization had even a fighting chance to win the title — with odds as low as 5 percent — Morey believed it was imperative to do everything possible to accomplish that goal.

Kyle Dubas should heed Morey’s advice as he navigates trade opportunities ahead of the April 12 deadline. The Maple Leafs GM is clearly a fan of Morey’s thinking, even if he hasn’t always adhered to the 5 percent theory during his short time running the Leafs.



Dubas’ Maple Leafs currently have a 10 percent chance of winning the Stanley Cup in 2021, according to our own Dom Luszczyszyn. So if you’re buying the whole 5 percent theory, Dubas should be willing to consider just about anything — within reason — in the days and weeks ahead, with an eye on bringing home Toronto’s first Stanley Cup in 54 years.

Should he be willing to trade prized prospects Nick Robertson or Rasmus Sandin if the return is right? You betcha. Deal another first-round pick, or even multiple top picks? A clear green light to both if it means acquiring talent that helps boost those odds even higher.

The Leafs Cup window is as open as it’s been in recent memory — and may ever be with a playoff format in 2021 that guarantees a Canadian team in the final four.

Opportunities like this are rare. And windows of contention can dry up quickly.

With stars like Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner at the top of their game, and vets like Jason Spezza, Joe Thornton, Wayne Simmonds and Zach Bogosian joining the chase and providing meaningful contributions on one-year deals, the Leafs are built to win now.

Following Morey’s path would require Dubas to be even more aggressive than he’s been at his two trade deadlines as Leafs GM. He should address at least one apparent hole upfront (perhaps two) and/or seek to improve depth on the back end and even in goal perhaps with Frederik Andersen struggling — and now hurt.

Leading up to his first deadline as GM, in 2019, Dubas wisely moved early to address a need on defence, acquiring Jake Muzzin from the Kings in late January. Muzzin, who had an extra year left on his deal, didn’t exactly plug the biggest hole on the team — a partner for Morgan Rielly — but he improved the team’s overall defence corps for two playoff runs. The Leafs extended his contract last February.

“Our preference was always to add players that were going to be here for more than just a few months,” was how Dubas explained his thinking at the time. “And that was certainly one of the things that was appealing about Jake.”

The price for Muzzin was the 22nd overall pick in the 2019 draft (Tobias Bjornfot, 20 NHL games), defensive prospect Sean Durzi (0 NHL games), and Carl Grundstrom, who’s since become a regular upfront for the Kings.

It’s proved to be a shrewd trade for the Leafs.

Just before the 2019 deadline, Dubas made one other deal, flipping Par Lindholm, an expiring contract who wasn’t doing much on the fourth line, for Nic Petan, in an ultimately inconsequential deal.

Perhaps he should have gone even further.

..................

Championship windows can be fleeting. Then can be over before you even realize it.

The Leafs are only guaranteed four more cracks at the postseason while the core of Matthews, Marner and William Nylander are all under team control together.

Matthews and Nylander, along with Muzzin and T.J. Brodie, are scheduled to become free agents in the summer of 2024. Marner and John Tavares are up the year after that.

Zach Hyman is a pending UFA this summer. Morgan Rielly’s deal is up in 2022.

And so while Robertson, looks the part of a future top-six winger, if he’s the price in order to acquire a top trade target, so be it for the Leafs.

Not sure the Leafs should be listening to a guy who never won a Championship or even made it to a Finals in a sport which is more defined by superstars than any kind of real strategy. Pretty much throw money at the best guys in the world and you win. Can't do that in Hockey.

He is totally fine with trading away futures because futures are practically worthless in Basketball, so of course he would say to move them for whatever immediate help you can get. Meanwhile, futures are pretty much the lifeblood of any hockey franchise. If you suck at drafting and developing, you are not winning anything. If you are throwing them away in bad moves, you aren't winning.

I can respect the guy and his penchant for Analytics and a different way of viewing the game, but Dubas would be better off listening to Billy Beane if he is looking at other sports. Baseball is a lot closer to the amount of strategic development from a management standpoint in hockey than basketball would be.

 

[hamzarocks]

Not sure the Leafs should be listening to a guy who never won a Championship or even made it to a Finals in a sport which is more defined by superstars than any kind of real strategy. Pretty much throw money at the best guys in the world and you win. Can't do that in Hockey.

He is totally fine with trading away futures because futures are practically worthless in Basketball, so of course he would say to move them for whatever immediate help you can get. Meanwhile, futures are pretty much the lifeblood of any hockey franchise. If you suck at drafting and developing, you are not winning anything. If you are throwing them away in bad moves, you aren't winning.

I can respect the guy and his penchant for Analytics and a different way of viewing the game, but Dubas would be better off listening to Billy Beane if he is looking at other sports. Baseball is a lot closer to the amount of strategic development from a management standpoint in hockey than basketball would be.

Billy Beane is one of the biggest losers in baseball. He gets loved for getting his team to the playoffs but Oakland never made any noise come playoffs and were easy picking

Beane is not a guy dubas should model his managment philosophy and his inability to make moves that build a true contender

Dubas should keep developing his own style while taking guidance when available from veteran experienced GMs/Presidents across the league

Leafs are completely different position that Athletics were and are closer to the Yankees in terms of resources available. So dubas cant be looking at simple "shrewd" analytic darling players in isolation and fail to address major roster needs like Beane did in his tenure with Oakland.

A guy dubas should avoid is Danny Ainge. He has cost the celtics 1-3 rings due to his inability to give up tatum/brown early in his tenure. Had opportunities at Kawhi and/or AD and pair them with Kyrie. He blew it opting to stay patient and go with the youth. The celtics are not a top 3 contender in the east and will be an 2nd round exit come playoffs while Masai made the crazy tough move to get rod of one of the most beloved players in raptors history for a potentially disgruntled Superstar.

With reports that dubas considered moving nylander if pietrnagelo could he had in the offseason that shows to me dubas isn't a push over like some think and he wont sacrifice improving the team if the opportunity comes. He will deal Marner/Nylander/Rielly if the right deal comes (we wont trade them now but the fact that he is/has been open shows his perception of being a pushover to the players may be unfair) and wont just keep players around for the sake of familiarity and connection.

 

[smitty10]

People really need to stop putting Simmonds and Thornton on Matthews and Marners line. They don't have the speed to keep up anymore. The reason why Hyman works so well with them is because he has the speed to forecheck, the strength to fend off defenders, and has the chemistry with Matthews and Marner already. Thornton and Simmonds just can't keep up anymore. If we're looking for a top 6 winger, I'd go after hall and put him on the top line. Keep Gally with Tavares and Nylander considering they've been showing some great chemistry lately.

Hall-Matthews-Marner (20-22min)
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander (17-19min)
Mikheyev-Engvall-Hyman (13-15min)
Thornton-Spezza-Simmonds (8-10min)

Ship out Kerfoot for whatever you can get.

People on these boards don't put them on there. The Leafs coaching staff does.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Billy Beane is one of the biggest losers in baseball. He gets loved for getting his team to the playoffs but Oakland never made any noise come playoffs and were easy picking

Beane is not a guy dubas should model his managment philosophy and his inability to make moves that build a true contender

Dubas should keep developing his own style while taking guidance when available from veteran experienced GMs/Presidents across the league

Leafs are completely different position that Athletics were and are closer to the Yankees in terms of resources available. So dubas cant be looking at simple "shrewd" analytic darling players in isolation and fail to address major roster needs like Beane did in his tenure with Oakland.

A guy dubas should avoid is Danny Ainge. He has cost the celtics 1-3 rings due to his inability to give up tatum/brown early in his tenure. Had opportunities at Kawhi and/or AD and pair them with Kyrie. He blew it opting to stay patient and go with the youth. The celtics are not a top 3 contender in the east and will be an 2nd round exit come playoffs while Masai made the crazy tough move to get rod of one of the most beloved players in raptors history for a potentially disgruntled Superstar.

With reports that dubas considered moving nylander if pietrnagelo could he had in the offseason that shows to me dubas isn't a push over like some think and he wont sacrifice improving the team if the opportunity comes. He will deal Marner/Nylander/Rielly if the right deal comes (we wont trade them now but the fact that he is/has been open shows his perception of being a pushover to the players may be unfair) and wont just keep players around for the sake of familiarity and connection.

Billy Beane is also a guy who had practically no resources to build a true contender in a league where the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, etc. had bottomless pockets. The fact he was even able to do what he did was impressive.

It's not like Dubas should be copying him, because it is still a different sport and situation, but he can learn a lot more from him than many others and then can use a bit of ingenuity and creativity to figure out the rest on his own.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Limoges signed an ATO with San Diego so he is not really available right now.

 

[leafsfan5]

Not sure the Leafs should be listening to a guy who never won a Championship or even made it to a Finals in a sport which is more defined by superstars than any kind of real strategy. Pretty much throw money at the best guys in the world and you win. Can't do that in Hockey.

He is totally fine with trading away futures because futures are practically worthless in Basketball, so of course he would say to move them for whatever immediate help you can get. Meanwhile, futures are pretty much the lifeblood of any hockey franchise. If you suck at drafting and developing, you are not winning anything. If you are throwing them away in bad moves, you aren't winning.

I can respect the guy and his penchant for Analytics and a different way of viewing the game, but Dubas would be better off listening to Billy Beane if he is looking at other sports. Baseball is a lot closer to the amount of strategic development from a management standpoint in hockey than basketball would be.

Houston would have won it all in 2018 if CP3 didn't get injured. Plus that game 7 was one of the worst reffing displays I've seen in professional basketball. Morey did everything to get Houston in a position to win it all against one of the best teams ever, they just had some ridiculously poor luck (I'm a Rockets fan so this was a soft spot lol, that 2018 team was legendary)

But yeah I agree, futures don't mean anything in basketball. In hockey it's better to keep the pipeline going and maximize your ability to win every year, not just once. Giving up one of our top prospects is fine, but destroying the pipeline ruins a team if you don't win