Trades and Free Agency Thread - Quarantine reduced to 7 days

[HEAVY DUTY]

Ekholm for 1st, Amirov, Kerfoot.
Granlund (50% retention) for 2nd and B prospect.

trade andersen and a pick for ullmark or lehner.

 

[TMLAM34]

Honestly, with Galchenyuk playing pretty good, I’d be more focused on improving the blueline. Then if we can add someone like Foligno, Bennett or Wood upfront that’s just gravy.

 

[Faltorvo]

Totally agree. Would have to be someone who'd not only impact now, but in the future too at a good cap hit. Cos it would cost Amirov, a 1st and whoever we've lose in the expansion draft.

I don't think that value exists.

Keep Sandin, Robertson, Timmy and Amirov. We need their ELC's on the roster in the coming years, then we'll need them on bridge deals after.

i could see a Ekholm
type having a big impact here for the next 6 years

 

[Rielly4]

Honestly, with Galchenyuk playing pretty good, I’d be more focused on improving the blueline. Then if we can add someone like Foligno, Bennett or Wood upfront that’s just gravy.

Ive liked gallys game so far too but we cant pencil him into the top 6 for playoffs. We can do better.

 

[Faltorvo]

Ekholm for 1st, Amirov, Kerfoot.
Granlund (50% retention) for 2nd and B prospect.

trade andersen and a pick for ullmark or lehner.

or just LTIR Fred till the POs

the rest i am fine with

 

[IrishInOntario]

Now that ES is off to Montreal,,,we need to get

our back up 2nd C is,,,,,,,,, effn Kerfoot,,,that needs to change big time,,it was Kadri,,Granlund goes a long way in fixing that Fk UP

I know you keep beating that drum, but if this version of Staal ever has to play big minutes as the Habs 2C, they're pretty much dead in the water. At 36 he's no better of a player than 37 years old Jason Spezza is. I'm not suggesting that he's bad pickup for Montreal by any stretch, but he doesn't move the needle at all.

Of the teams That may sell, there are only a handful that have a guy that would move the needle as a 3C, while being able to slot in as a 2C should an injury occur. All those guys would require Kerfoot + assets to go back the other way and retention would be required.

Here is the short list of guys that would be even possible to free the cap space up for.

Vancouver: JT Miller
New Jersey: Travis Zajac
New York: Ryan Strome (pipe dream)
Calgary: Elias Lindholm (pipe dream)
LA: Adrian Kempe (pipe dream)

If you're dead set on landing a 3C that is a legitimate center, has been his entire career and is both cheap ($1.0 and expiring) and use to playing up and down the lineup, my suggestion would be Derick Brassard, who has 15 points on the season and has been playing well of late.

 

[Faltorvo]

Ive liked gallys game so far too but we cant pencil him into the top 6 for playoffs. We can do better.

pencil him in?? dude it's there in ink

 

[LeafChief]

Ekholm for 1st, Amirov, Kerfoot.
Granlund (50% retention) for 2nd and B prospect.

trade andersen and a pick for ullmark or lehner.

Christ.

 

[Faltorvo]

I know you keep beating that drum, but if this version of Staal ever has to play big minutes as the Habs 2C, they're pretty much dead in the water. At 36 he's no better of a player than 37 years old Jason Spezza is. I'm not suggesting that he's bad pickup for Montreal by any stretch, but he doesn't move the needle at all.

Of the teams That may sell, there are only a handful that have a guy that would move the needle as a 3C, while being able to slot in as a 2C should an injury occur. All those guys would require Kerfoot + assets to go back the other way and retention would be required.

Here is the short list of guys that would be even possible to free the cap space up for.

Vancouver: JT Miller
New Jersey: Travis Zajac
New York: Ryan Strome (pipe dream)
Calgary: Elias Lindholm (pipe dream)
LA: Adrian Kempe (pipe dream)

If you're dead set on landing a 3C that is a legitimate center, has been his entire career and is both cheap ($1.0 and expiring) and use to playing up and down the lineup, my suggestion would be Derick Brassard, who has 15 points on the season and has been playing well of late.

Naw,, i don't need him at 3 C if Engvall is holding his own,,,put him LW in the top 9

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

Christ.

i think thats a fair price for ekholm. can't get him for less.

granlund... price too high? idk. maybe we can forget him.

goalie swap. i just want andersen gone. dude is done here.

 

[LeafChief]

i think thats a fair price for ekholm. can't get him for less.

granlund... price too high? idk. maybe we can forget him.

goalie swap. i just want andersen gone. dude is done here.

It's a massive overpayment for Ekholm when you look at comparable trades.

 

[Puckstuff]

Christ.

Ekholm and Granlund for Kerfoot and futures makes us much better and what will Amirov and a 1st really turn into?

Even if it's a high price to pay there are certain times and window's of opportunity that must be taken advantage of. Timing is everything. Now is the time to go for it. If Dubas doesn't go for it this year he's making a mistake IMO

 

[4thline]

It's a massive overpayment for Ekholm when you look at comparable trades.

Depends on how you value Kerfoot. In a flat cap where it's hard to find a suitor, ~3rd round type prospect like the AJ deal it's really not far off. I think hindsight has people undervalue Grundstrom at the time of the trade. He hasn't panned out and was an absolute steal in the late 2nd, but he arguably had a more impressive U20 year than Amirov is having, and had built on it well prior to the trade.

 

[ToneDog]

i think thats a fair price for ekholm. can't get him for less.

granlund... price too high? idk. maybe we can forget him.

goalie swap. i just want andersen gone. dude is done here.

You need a 3rd team to take Anderson because Buffalo and Vegas (why would they move Lehner?) have no interest IMO. IMO a 3rd team could be Colorado who are looking for goaltending depth.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Depends on how you value Kerfoot. In a flat cap where it's hard to find a suitor, ~3rd round type prospect like the AJ deal it's really not far off. I think hindsight has people undervalue Grundstrom at the time of the trade. He hasn't panned out and was an absolute steal in the late 2nd, but he arguably had a more impressive U20 year than Amirov is having, and had built on it well prior to the trade.

Remember that Joey Anderson is not just some B prospect though. He is a guy with a good amount of upside and was close to, if not already, NHL ready. He probably had more value than Hallander had in the Kapanen trade.

I'd also argue that since Kerfoot brings a lot more versatility and a well-rounded game vs. Johnsson, he probably has more value too. Not quite Kapanen value, but probably more than Johnsson would have picked up even at the height of his value.

I know it is vogue to throw Kerfoot into any kind of deal as a cap dump for whatever reason (and oddly for guys like Granlund too, who is worse than him), but just like Johnsson had good value in a flat cap world, Kerfoot does as well.

 

[4thline]

Remember that Joey Anderson is not just some B prospect though. He is a guy with a good amount of upside and was close to, if not already, NHL ready. He probably had more value than Hallander had in the Kapanen trade.

I'd also argue that since Kerfoot brings a lot more versatility and a well-rounded game vs. Johnsson, he probably has more value too. Not quite Kapanen value, but probably more than Johnsson would have picked up even at the height of his value.

I know it is vogue to throw Kerfoot into any kind of deal as a cap dump for whatever reason (and oddly for guys like Granlund too, who is worse than him), but just like Johnsson had good value in a flat cap world, Kerfoot does as well.

Value of a Anderson/Hallander prospect is fair, but that also lines up in the same ballpark defined by Durzi (late 2nd rounder making a lot of noise in the O, albeit as an OA) at the low end, and Hajek (high 2nd rounder coming off a big WJC) on the high as the 2nd piece added to a 2nd rounder.

McDonagh for 1st+Howden + Hajek (I see the rest of that deal as Namestnikov+cond 2nd for Miller)
Muzzin for 1st + Grundstrom + Durzi
Ekholm for 1st + Amirov +? isn't that outlandish, and Kerfoot's prospect capital isn't *that* far off of ?. I don't love it for the team and am not sold that it's the best use of assets, but the value isn't crazy.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Value of a Anderson/Hallander prospect is fair, but that also lines up in the same ballpark defined by Durzi (late 2nd rounder making a lot of noise in the O, albeit as an OA) at the low end, and Hajek (high 2nd rounder coming off a big WJC) on the high as the 2nd piece added to a 2nd rounder.

McDonagh for 1st+Howden + Hajek (I see the rest of that deal as Namestnikov+cond 2nd for Miller)
Muzzin for 1st + Grundstrom + Durzi
Ekholm for 1st + Amirov +? isn't that outlandish, and Kerfoot's prospect capital isn't *that* far off of ?. I don't love it for the team and am not sold that it's the best use of assets, but the value isn't crazy.

McDonagh and Muzzin were sold in seller's markets without an upcoming expansion draft. I think Amirov is the most valuable of all the prospect pieces listed - probably more valuable than several of them combined, but it's not by such a crazy amount that it's an instant dealbreaker. That being said, whatever deal we make, there's the hidden cost of whatever the price to keep Seattle from taking Holl is, or the value difference between Holl and whatever 2mil will get us in UFA.

Ekholm + 2mil UFA for 1st + Amirov + Kerfoot + Holl starts to look expensive.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I was kind of hoping Columbus would win enough to not want to sell the team off. Foligno sucks now

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I was kind of hoping Columbus would win enough to not want to sell the team off. Foligno sucks now

Just because he is available does not mean we have to get him. It's already been established that he is not a very good player anymore and should be valued as such.

 

[Faltorvo]

It's a massive overpayment for Ekholm when you look at comparable trades.

comparable trades did not ask them to retain 50% of 3.75m for 1.5 seasons in a dead cap world from a team battling to make the POs this and next season.

the leverage is Seattle,,they gonna lose a damn good D if they hold onto Ekholm

 

[jaric1862]

I think Columbus are going to end up being sellers here. Just lost 2 to the red wings and 4 of their next 6 games are against Tampa. The other two are against Florida, lol.

 

[Faltorvo]

Ekholm and Granlund for Kerfoot and futures makes us much better and what will Amirov and a 1st really turn into?

Even if it's a high price to pay there are certain times and window's of opportunity that must be taken advantage of. Timing is everything. Now is the time to go for it. If Dubas doesn't go for it this year he's making a mistake IMO

Yup it is the time,,this is the first year,,,all four of matty/mitch/riel/willi are ready and matured to play deep PO hockey

JT still has tons in the tank and is much better then this,,,Galy looks promising
3rd line looks good,,,4th is fine

The Defense,,,,,, i give a B+ ,,,,the kind where from time to time or too many times it will fall heavy onto the tender to win it.
remove Dermott for Ekholm + Oleksiak and i put our D at A-,,,the kind of D where average to good tending gets you to the final 4

 

[Faltorvo]

You need a 3rd team to take Anderson because Buffalo and Vegas (why would they move Lehner?) have no interest IMO. IMO a 3rd team could be Colorado who are looking for goaltending depth.

3rd team could be the Yotes

Fred is only owed 1m cash for his 5m cap hit

we know for fact they need to move a tender

 

[Faltorvo]

Value of a Anderson/Hallander prospect is fair, but that also lines up in the same ballpark defined by Durzi (late 2nd rounder making a lot of noise in the O, albeit as an OA) at the low end, and Hajek (high 2nd rounder coming off a big WJC) on the high as the 2nd piece added to a 2nd rounder.

McDonagh for 1st+Howden + Hajek (I see the rest of that deal as Namestnikov+cond 2nd for Miller)
Muzzin for 1st + Grundstrom + Durzi
Ekholm for 1st + Amirov +? isn't that outlandish, and Kerfoot's prospect capital isn't *that* far off of ?. I don't love it for the team and am not sold that it's the best use of assets, but the value isn't crazy.

Nashv would be retaining 1.65 ish cap for this and next season in a flat cap world,,,on a team that is gunning well for a PO slot this and next season and we are making it harder for them to make it this year

 

[Faltorvo]

I think Columbus are going to end up being sellers here. Just lost 2 to the red wings and 4 of their next 6 games are against Tampa. The other two are against Florida, lol.

well that means Savy will be in play,,,he has more chance hitting the market then Ekholm would

CB is done/toast next 6 against tbay/Flo,,,after that epic crash out the light will be too bright not to see what is in front of them

and D Savard will be on the market