Trades and Free Agency Thread - Quarantine reduced to 7 days

[OVO16]

Why LTIR Freddy when they're accruing Cap-space currently by having him just on the IR?

Dubas should wait until trade deadline day to move him to the LTIR, if that's truly the case

 

[OVO16]

To Toronto:
D Mattias Ekholm - 50% retained by NSH
W Mikael Granlund - 50% retained by CHI
G Jusse Saros

To Nashville:
D Timothy Liljegren
C Semyon Der-Arguchintsev
G Joseph Woll
2021 1st Round Pick
2022 2nd Round Pick

To Chicago:
2021 4th/5th Round Pick

With Freddy on LTIR, and a roster of the below, Leafs would still have 1.85M in cap space, to carry extra skaters (or perhaps lower the retention on Granlund to reduce the pick we give Chicago)

Simmonds - Matthews - Marner
Granlund - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Engvall - Hyman
Thornton - Kerfoot - Spezza

Muzzin - Ekholm/Holl
Rielly - Brodie
Dermott - Holl/Ekholm
Bogosian

Campbell
Saros

Saros is their goalie for the future

 

[OVO16]

I guess I proposed something stupid huh. I wash high af when I wrote that. DOnt mind me

 

[LeafChief]

Saros is their goalie for the future

I'd say that's probably Askarov.

 

[OVO16]

These 2 posts back to back were something else lmao.

Why tf would we trade Robertson for Max Jones? And I don’t care what anyone says about Hall’s reputation, he’d make us a serious contender right away.

lol Yeah on paper sure. He'll fold in the playoffs where things get significantly harder to play and space on the ice shrinks.

We need Coleman/Goodrow types of acquisitions. Not another finness forward who's scared to have board battles in the playoffs

 

[123offtheglass]

I guess I proposed something stupid huh. I wash high af when I wrote that. DOnt mind me

Wouldn't be a first for me either haha

 

[Bluelines]

Insider Trading: Granlund could be an ideal fit for the Leafs

I believe the Leafs’ primary target is Nashville forward Mikael Granlund. There have been a number of complicating factors that have popped up:

1. The Leafs are waiting for some clarity from the NHL as to whether this 14-day quarantine will be reduced to seven days. They have actually been spearheading the charge among the seven NHL teams as to whether that will happen or not.

2. There seems to be some slight hesitation on the part of the Nashville Predators, as the Chicago Blackhawks have come back to Earth, as to whether they are still in the race or not. I am not sure it is fair to say that the Preds are pulling their players off of the market, but it just seems at this point that they are more wait-and-see mode rather than sell mode. For the Toronto Maple Leafs, if things don’t get going soon, they are going to have to consider Plan B, C, or D on the list.

It is a three-asset ask to get in on the bidding for Mattias Ekholm: a first-round pick, an elite prospect, and a third asset, which can take on different forms. That is a lot. Part of that is that the Predators don’t have to trade Ekholm at this deadline. He is signed through next season.

Really, there is also the internal debate for Nashville: Is their best offer at this deadline, when contending teams believe they can get Ekholm for two playoff runs, or is it after the July expansion draft when interested teams no longer have to worry about their protection issues?

 

[OVO16]

Insider Trading: Granlund could be an ideal fit for the Leafs

I believe the Leafs’ primary target is Nashville forward Mikael Granlund. There have been a number of complicating factors that have popped up:

1. The Leafs are waiting for some clarity from the NHL as to whether this 14-day quarantine will be reduced to seven days. They have actually been spearheading the charge among the seven NHL teams as to whether that will happen or not.

2. There seems to be some slight hesitation on the part of the Nashville Predators, as the Chicago Blackhawks have come back to Earth, as to whether they are still in the race or not. I am not sure it is fair to say that the Preds are pulling their players off of the market, but it just seems at this point that they are more wait-and-see mode rather than sell mode. For the Toronto Maple Leafs, if things don’t get going soon, they are going to have to consider Plan B, C, or D on the list.

It is a three-asset ask to get in on the bidding for Mattias Ekholm: a first-round pick, an elite prospect, and a third asset, which can take on different forms. That is a lot. Part of that is that the Predators don’t have to trade Ekholm at this deadline. He is signed through next season.

Really, there is also the internal debate for Nashville: Is their best offer at this deadline, when contending teams believe they can get Ekholm for two playoff runs, or is it after the July expansion draft when interested teams no longer have to worry about their protection issues?

Nashville is starting to win again and I think pulling their players back from the market

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

One thing I’ll say about Hall and his bad loser mojo that has me apprehensive, I saw a comment the other day that made me pause. Guys like Gaborik, Kessel, Bouwmeester, and Hossa were considered perennial losers until they went to contending teams and played huge roles in Cup wins. Is it not unfair of us to hang his lack of team success around his neck? Especially us since if a player that has lost is doomed to always lose then our team will never do anything regardless if we acquire him or not.

I’m not saying he’s the guy to get, there are still other options, but yeah just food for thought.

 

[123offtheglass]

My guess is Freddy will be LTIR'd and will return for the playoffs.

gives Leafs flexibility to add, Freddy can get fully healed, we still have goalie depth for playoffs, etc

That's pretty risky considering it's 7+ weeks between now and the playoffs... per capfriendly: "When a player is deemed fit to play, the team must activate them"
LTIR FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
The NHL LTIR Explained -
"if/when that player returns, the team must clear any cap space they gained over and above the salary cap in order to be cap compliant. The player will not be able to be activated until this is done. But, they also can’t stay on the LTIR once they are medically cleared. So, teams must be extremely careful when exceeding the cap if the player is expected to return that season"

I highly doubt this happens unless Andersen's injury is much worse than originally expected.

 

[SprDaVE]

One thing I’ll say about Hall and his bad loser mojo that has me apprehensive, I saw a comment the other day that made me pause. Guys like Gaborik, Kessel, Bouwmeester, and Hossa were considered perennial losers until they went to contending teams and played huge roles in Cup wins. Is it not unfair of us to hang his lack of team success around his neck? Especially us since if a player that has lost is doomed to always lose then our team will never do anything regardless if we acquire him or not.

I’m not saying he’s the guy to get, there are still other options, but yeah just food for thought.

Precisely. There was also this weird thing about NHL captains couldn't be European because they never won a cup about 2 decades ago too. It was pretty dumb.

You have to look at biases like that and look at the player, at what they do on the ice, and their efficiency. Teams that look past those things tend to always come out on top.

 

[OVO16]

I'm not against Hall because of his winning history. I'm against him because of fit.

I think Taylor hall is an incredible player with loads of offensive talent. But he's not the guy we need to add to this team to take to the next level. I would be extremely shocked if this is the player Dubas has his eyes on.

But I guess we'll see. If the deal involves Kerfoot....and Dubas makes another deal for a Forward who plays a more 2 way/edgy sort of game...then I can be on board with that

 

[GBLeaf]

I'm not against Hall because of his winning history. I'm against him because of fit.

I think Taylor hall is an incredible player with loads of offensive talent. But he's not the guy we need to add to this team to take to the next level. I would be extremely shocked if this is the player Dubas has his eyes on.

But I guess we'll see. If the deal involves Kerfoot....and Dubas makes another deal for a Forward who plays a more 2 way/edgy sort of game...then I can be on board with that

Yeah I totally agree with this.

I just think we both need and will target someone with more of an 'edge'. I think there's so much top end talent in this team, what is needed is someone who'll get their nose dirty, crash the net, fight for the puck and win battles.

That would add a lot more to this team for me than a Taylor Hall.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

We could target Zadorov and soderberg. If we get zadorov at 50% retained their combined salary is 2.7 mill total before being pro rated.

 

[OVO16]

Smaller type of trade but Michael Del Zotto as a depth defenseman wouldn't be bad. Has tons of experience under this belt and has a feistiness to his game.

Also Brendan Smith from New York. Not sure if he would be available

 

[VanW27]

That's pretty risky considering it's 7+ weeks between now and the playoffs... per capfriendly: "When a player is deemed fit to play, the team must activate them"
LTIR FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
The NHL LTIR Explained -
"if/when that player returns, the team must clear any cap space they gained over and above the salary cap in order to be cap compliant. The player will not be able to be activated until this is done. But, they also can’t stay on the LTIR once they are medically cleared. So, teams must be extremely careful when exceeding the cap if the player is expected to return that season"

I highly doubt this happens unless Andersen's injury is much worse than originally expected.

I dont think they're going to LTIR him for the season but the NHL has proven they dont care about stuff like that. How many times have overpaid/declining players suddenly had career ending "injuries" once their contracts became too much of a burden.

And it's not just career ending injuries, do you think it's going to be some incredible coincidence/stroke of luck when Kucherov is back for game 1 of the playoffs instead of with 10 games left and putting the Bolts 8 million over the cap?

 

[123offtheglass]

Taylor Hall: WJC-18 Gold, World Championships Gold x2, OHL Champion x2 (back-to-back; MVP on 1st), Memorial Cup Champion x2 (back-to-back MVP).

NHL:
- Edmonton Oilers 2010-2016
- New Jersey Devils 2016-2019
- Arizona Coyotes 2019-2020
- Buffalo Sabres 2021

Think this would explain why hasn't been a 'winner' at the NHL level yet. He won New Jersey games in 2017-2018 carrying them into the playoffs but the hart trophy winner could only get them so far, guess he's a loser

 

[Bluelines]

Nashville is starting to win again and I think pulling their players back from the market

Coupled with Chicago playing crappy, it make them think they have a chance to make the playoffs.

Ekholm + Forsberg (but at his cap hit its not likely). Rumors Manson on the Ducks is in play.

My focus if I'm Dubas is a good top 3 defender + I'd like to find a RW to play with Tavares, someone who is good on the forecheck, is able to set up Tavares / Nylander, has energy, is a bit of a wreckign ball in the offensive zone. Not sure if that guy is out there though.

Richard Rakell is an ok-ish setup man.
SCOUTING REPORT

Is incredibly versatile, capable of lining up at any forward position and also able to play several different roles on a hockey team. Excels at the two-way game. Isn't overly big or physical, which somewhat lessens his checking ability at the National Hockey League level. Also, he can get pushed off the puck at times.

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Kyle Palmieri is a good forechecker but a small player.
SCOUTING REPORT

Displays energy, speed and excellent scoring instincs. Can play either wing position, which adds to his overall value. Boasts great wheels and a penchant for attacking at all times. Is good on the forecheck. Needs to continue developing into a more dedicated two-way skater. Is not big, so he must prove capable of withstanding the physical nature of the National Hockey League game on a consistent basis.

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

I've heard people mention Bertuzzi (Det) currently on IR
SCOUTING REPORT

An agitator who can really get opponents off their game, he can also score some goals and play a bottom-six forward role in the NHL. Has a lot of value as a role player. Does not have a lot of size, so he will need to get a lot stronger in order to play his aggravating style effectively at the highest level. His offensive upside may be limited.

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

We could target Zadorov and soderberg. If we get zadorov at 50% retained their combined salary is 2.7 mill total before being pro rated.

Zadorov sucks.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Smaller type of trade but Michael Del Zotto as a depth defenseman wouldn't be bad. Has tons of experience under this belt and has a feistiness to his game.

Also Brendan Smith from New York. Not sure if he would be available

Neither of those guys is better than Sandin, Liljegren, or Marincin. Waste of assets.

 

[LeafChief]

Hall + Ullmark. Freddie LTIR. Profit.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Taylor Hall: WJC-18 Gold, World Championships Gold x2, OHL Champion x2 (back-to-back; MVP on 1st), Memorial Cup Champion x2 (back-to-back MVP).

NHL:
- Edmonton Oilers 2010-2016
- New Jersey Devils 2016-2019
- Arizona Coyotes 2019-2020
- Buffalo Sabres 2021

Think this would explain why hasn't been a 'winner' at the NHL level yet. He won New Jersey games in 2017-2018 carrying them into the playoffs but the hart trophy winner could only get them so far, guess he's a loser

He chose to go to Buffalo because no real contender wanted to give him a big contract. And rightfully so.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

He chose to go to Buffalo because no real contender wanted to give him a big contract. And rightfully so.

it depends what you mean by big contract, but contenders were definitely interested in signing him

 

[LeafChief]

He chose to go to Buffalo because no real contender wanted to give him a big contract. And rightfully so.

Colorado was trying to sign him.

 

[123offtheglass]

I dont think they're going to LTIR him for the season but the NHL has proven they dont care about stuff like that. How many times have overpaid/declining players suddenly had career ending "injuries" once their contracts became too much of a burden.

And it's not just career ending injuries, do you think it's going to be some incredible coincidence/stroke of luck when Kucherov is back for game 1 of the playoffs instead of with 10 games left and putting the Bolts 8 million over the cap?

I do agree with this but those are in the offseason, as for Kucherov his timeline realistically fits what's needed... if he's within days of returning early it's easier (not right though) for them to milk it out, especially it being a long-term injury from hip surgery, even once he's back he won't be 100%. As for Andersen if it truly is 7-10+ days it's not realistic that they could milk out 5+ extra weeks without being deemed fit to play from a short-term injury.

Hopefully the injury either expected to be long enough that they can safely place him on LTIR until playoffs while adding, or it's just a minor 7-10 day injury; nothing in between the 2 is any good. Something that's expected to be 7-10 days just seems like to much of a stretch and would likely be investigated if they were to attempt this.