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Johnston says the Leafs are looking for Players with an Edge. Thank god. I don't want Taylor Hall on this team.

Hoping Dubas comes out of left field with a Miles Wood type of Acquisiton

Just keep in mind that Dubas probably feels Hyman has an "edge". He's probably not going to get a Miles Wood unless he comes at the appropriate price for someone of his caliber, which is a lot less than people on here think it is.

He's a bottom 6 player and not another Blake Coleman.
 
If you get Hall, you put him into your top 6 - where we currently have a gaping hole (if not 2 holes, if we're making our 3rd line a serious checking line lead by Hyman).

100% agree. The entire reason you add a Hall is to play him with the likes of Matthews and Marner, so Hyman can focus solely in his role of driving the 3rd line and killing penalties, where he's most valuable to you.

Hall-Matthews-Marner
Simmonds-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Engvall-Hyman
Thornton-Kerfoot-Spezza
Galchenyuk

That's one hell of a forward group. Literally the only thing it's missing is a heavy 3C with a little bit more presence, but it's near impossible to build a perfect group.
 
I don't mind Hall at the price they're suggesting right now. If you're saving the 1st then it's likely worth it considering the below-par left-wingers the Leafs are running right now.

No matter what, he's better than Simmonds and Galchenyuk. :laugh:
 
Johnston says the Leafs are looking for Players with an Edge. Thank god. I don't want Taylor Hall on this team.

Hoping Dubas comes out of left field with a Miles Wood type of Acquisiton

Did he say that? Thank god. Nick Foligno is still my number one guy. I wouldn't be mad if they got Mikael Grnalund though, but he would be my first option.
 
Admittedly I haven't watched much of Palmeiri. He has good numbers, is he a guy who brings that physical edge as well. Looks like he averages over a hit per game. Someone who has watched him please give me some clarity.
 
They also tend to have better goalies which Quick is not.
I agree on the better goalies! you are correct, but back to speaking about Quick
this year:
Quick .898 with 2.91 save
Andersen .897 with 2.91 save
technically Quick is already outplaying Andersen at 35...(not sure why age is a major factor. Quick is less than 4 years older, and Fleury is a great example at 36 today. Wish we could get Fleury truthfully.)

now let’s analyze Quick’s last playoff just 3 years ago.

.947 with 1.55 save

Andersen that same year

.896 with 3.96 save

Again, not saying Quick is best option, but he won’t cost much to trade for, he played and mentored Campbell, playoff MVP, recent Jennings trophy 2018. as a backup to Campbell he’d be great. retained at $2.9 gives $2M to spend elsewhere. leave him exposed for Seattle.

Andersen lets in those 1-2 bad goals per game especially game 7’s. it’s that same feeling when Gardiner couldn’t handle Debrusk at a score of 4-4 game 7. we blame Gardiner but Andersen equally let that goal in (five hole) to lose the series. we needed that save.

it’s like that saying Einstein said he never said...
...doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

are we expecting different results with the same goalie???
 
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I agree on the better goalies! you are correct, but back to speaking about Quick
this year:
Quick .898 with 2.91 save
Andersen .897 with 2.91 save
technically Quick is already outplaying Andersen at 35...(not sure why age is a major factor. Quick is less than 4 years older, and Fleury is a great example at 36 today. Wish we could get Fleury truthfully.)

now let’s analyze Quick’s last playoff just 3 years ago.

.947 with 1.55 save

Andersen that same year

.896 with 3.96 save

Again, not saying Quick is best option, but he won’t cost much to trade for, he played and mentored Campbell, playoff MVP, recent Jennings trophy 2018. as a backup to Campbell he’d be great. retained at $2.9 gives $2M to spend elsewhere. leave him exposed for Seattle.

Andersen lets in those 1-2 bad goals per game especially game 7’s. it’s that same feeling when Gardiner couldn’t handle Debrusk at a score of 4-4 game 7. we blame Gardiner but Andersen equally let that goal in (five hole) to lose the series. we needed that save.

it’s like that saying Einstein said he never said...
...doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

are we expecting different results with the same goalie???
Hey, I want Andersen replaced too but I think there are better options then Quick.
 
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Aidan Hill would be another good option to tandem with Campbell if he also wasn't inexperienced.
 
I was preaching earlier this month how Eric Staal would of been a good fit for us to play 3c and use him as depth up and down the lineup... Because he was cheap option and wouldn't hinder any extra moves......

.... Habs got him for a f***in 3rd and a 5th... How do we not beat that offer? That's peanuts for play off depth/experience.

Hope that move doesn't come back and bite us.. I think he could of made our line up more lethal and versatile.. and again, cheap enough that it wouldn't stop us from making any other deals... And no matter how far he is away from his prime.... He's Eric f***in Staal.. going on a cup run.. we would have seen an extra gear coming out of him the same way spezza is shining right now.
 
Johnston says the Leafs are looking for Players with an Edge. Thank god. I don't want Taylor Hall on this team.

Hoping Dubas comes out of left field with a Miles Wood type of Acquisiton

Would Max Jones be available? A deal around Robertson?

These 2 posts back to back were something else lmao.

Why tf would we trade Robertson for Max Jones? And I don’t care what anyone says about Hall’s reputation, he’d make us a serious contender right away.
 
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I was preaching earlier this month how Eric Staal would of been a good fit for us to play 3c and use him as depth up and down the lineup... Because he was cheap option and wouldn't hinder any extra moves......

.... Habs got him for a f***in 3rd and a 5th... How do we not beat that offer? That's peanuts for play off depth/experience.

Hope that move doesn't come back and bite us.. I think he could of made our line up more lethal and versatile.. and again, cheap enough that it wouldn't stop us from making any other deals... And no matter how far he is away from his prime.... He's Eric f***in Staal.. going on a cup run.. we would have seen an extra gear coming out of him the same way spezza is shining right now.

Trust me when I say, the guy has fallen off a cliff.
 
To Buffalo: 2nd, Abramov, Hollowell
To L.A.: Taylor Hall @ 50%

To L.A.: Kerfoot, Amirov, 3rd
To Toronto: Hall @50%, + Kempe @25% or Iaffalo @50% (I strongly suspect LA would wish to keep Kempe)

To Dallas: Rubins/Hallander, 3rd in '22
To Toronto: Olesiak @50%

To Calgary: Galchenyuk, Saborin, 6th
To Toronto: Bennett @50%

If Keumper can get healthy...
To Ari: Andersen, 1st
To Toronto: Keumper, Osterle

Iaffalo Matthews Marner
Hall Tavares Nylander
Mikheyev Engvall Hyman
Thornton Spezza Simmonds
Bennett Malgin Barabanov

Muzzin TJ
Rielly Holl
Dermott Bogosian
Olesiak Osterle
Sandin Liljegren

Campbell
Keumper
Hutchinson
 
show me how that 8 million dollar cap hit fits

50% brings it down to $4m?

we have $500k space atm

we have 500k right now

3.5m + 500k covers it

geezus,,,,, we know this

just like losing Kerf does not clear us 3.5m cap space.

This should clear up the confusion.
43 days/116 days remaining in the season means that the leafs on this day can add cap hit equivalent to: their cap space x (116/43), because contract are pro-rated.
Cap space can be added to this amount by demoting some players simultaneously to a trade, as long as they still have a 20-man roster as a result.
Today Leafs have $282,805 in cap space with a 21-man roster (not including Hutchinson as he is an emergency exemption call-up with no effect on the cap).
If they were to trade for 1 player they may simultaneously send down 2 players (Hollowell & Sabourin);
this would create an additional (($799,766 x (43/116)) + ($700,000 x (43/116))) $555,946 cap space to the $282,805 they currently have = $838,751.

This $838,751 cap space could take on a max cap hit of ($838,751 x (116/43)) $2,262,677.12 today.

If a deal were to happen for Hall today, he could be retained 50% by Buffalo and another 44% by a third party team, bringing his cap hit to $2,240,000 which pro-rated is = $830,344.83.

The closer the Leafs wait to the TDL the higher that number can become.

The maximum a team can retain is 50%. Hall's AAV is 8 million. We are up against the cap.

It's impossible unless we move out 4 million in salary or a 3rd team is involved in the trade to take on salary.

Correct, but a player's contract may be retained twice (by different teams); so a third party team can bring the cap hit down to 2m.

Problem is more retention means more cost

Definetly, don't think it'll be too bad though for a third party team to retain 2m at the point in the season, probably costs a 3rd at most.

Do we have the space to add Hall @50%?
No but we have enough to get him retained twice to 2m or a little more.
 
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