Trades and Free Agency Thread - Push all the chips in?

[123offtheglass]

This is huge

CBC Reporting it now too.

f*** those American teams and their leverage, this is huge for the Leafs. 14 days is bad, 7 days isn't so bad; the last 7 days is much worse than the first 7 days. This is great news; knew they could put this in place again. I wonder what they do come 3rd round though? I'm assuming the Canadian team will need to go through a 7 day quarantine with more rapid testing to setup in the States for the remainder of the playoffs. All teams should be required to do so to even the playing field... or at least the 4 Canadian Teams should go south of the boarder before the first round, so that they're at least on even playing ground for the 1st 2 rounds, and any kinks and sedentary legs can be worked out 2 rounds early before that one Canadian team plays against the American teams; it's the only logical thing to do. Otherwise if they expect the Canadian team to be sedentary for 7+ days between round 2 & 3 only to get stomped on a much more ready American team in round 3, that isn't fair & it would be better for everyone (American teams who face each other in the 3rd round too) to get it it over with before round 1 than round 3. That's my take.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I mean, his possession stats are great, defensively he's always been poor, and always had a poor GA/60.. and he can't shoot anymore. Sounds like a more expensive Mikheyev, with better possession, but worse defensively.

Hall is considerably better defensively than Mikheyev, and a much better playmaker. He just happens to be getting .870 goaltending while Mikheyev is getting 0.94

 

[Fogelhund]

Hall is considerably better defensively than Mikheyev, and a much better playmaker. He just happens to be getting .870 goaltending while Mikheyev is getting 0.94

While that's interesting, please go back beyond this year. It's been the case for years that he's been near the team high in GA/60... I've gone back years for him.... At some point you cannot blame one team, in one year's goaltending.

 

[4thline]

Post MVP year Hall is pacing 46 assists per 82 game season. Assists, not points. This season he's still pacing 40.

I love Mikheyev, but Hall in a down year is pacing more assists than Soup will likely ever have points

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Hall is such a boom or bust trade target. If you commit to him, we’re not getting anyone else up front so that’d be it. He may be cheap, cheap enough where a 1st is all it takes, if that. But he’s been declining since his Hart season, though to be fair he hasn’t had great teams since. My superstitious part of my brain is worried that whatever bad juju is following him around will infect everyone else, and his season with Buffalo has been really bad, but then everyone there has been awful.

On the other hand, a lot of hockey people smarter than me are all gung-ho about Hall and are very high on him despite his past few seasons, and many suggest that it’d be a huge get for the Leafs to get Hall.

Looking at the trade board to I’m not sure who else is on there that will be better or will be as much of a bargain. Ekholm is obvious but it sounds like it’d be really expensive to acquire him, and arguably Nashville isn’t cooked yet this season, same with Columbus and Savard.

Maybe the move for Dubas is to buy Hall at a bargain, then use any excess assets to shore up the defence. If Hall will be as cheap as Friedman alluded to you could then either blow your load on an Ekholm type defenseman, or go out and acquire a depth defenseman and the Leafs are still sitting pretty with our top four prospects.

 

[kb]

Post MVP year Hall is pacing 46 assists per 82 game season. Assists, not points. This season he's still pacing 40.

I love Mikheyev, but Hall in a down year is pacing more assists than Soup will likely ever have points

Now do goals and points.

 

[kb]

Dermott for pending UFA Jamie Oleksiak (50%).

Who says no? Keeping in mind that Dermott would most likely be exposed/lost in the expansion draft.

 

[4thline]

Now do goals and points.

67 points per 82 over the last 3 seasons. Still a no doubt 1st liner

 

[TheGreatOne11]

I think Dubas goes all in and tries to grab Forsberg out of Nashville.

Massive upgrade on the wing, playing with either Marner or Nylander on the other side its dangerous.

Hall i still think can click into gear i just don't see how 9 million in cap works, Kerfoot plus salary retained on Buffalos side ammounting to 2nd and 3rd or a 1st?

I prefer Forsberg personally.

 

[Menzinger]

Dermott for pending UFA Jamie Oleksiak (50%).

Who says no? Keeping in mind that Dermott would most likely be exposed/lost in the expansion draft.

Leafs more likely. Depends on how much of an upgrade they view him on the bottom pairing

 

[Menzinger]

Risto is an interesting one... the challenge being his cap hit, and at 26, how much development is there? Sure, there are some intriguing things there, but so far he's kind of the guy you want to shelter, and be a PP specialist. I could see him being much more useful away from Buffalo, but how much are you willing to gamble on that?

If you are the Leafs, you are hoping that he's an upgrade on Holl... and at half the cap hit, maybe it's worth it? But you wouldn't be willing to give much more than Holl and a mid to late round pick for that risk, and I can't see Buffalo doing that, unless they just want to completely blow it up.

Risto needs pp time to be effective. I wouldn't trust him anywhere near the shutdown pairing.

I think he's a better rehab candidate for a team that doesn't already have a Rielly or Brodie

 

[Menzinger]

Don't think Friedman included retention so it could be a first or a top prospect IMO.

Sounds like the Sabres will have a hard time moving him without that retention.

They may not be in a position to negotiate like that if they want to recoup anything for him

 

[Menzinger]

His fitness and conditioning is 100% under his control and it's clear he hasn't taken it seriously this year. The guy has clearly lost a step, whether that's from his knee injuries, lack of effort in the gym, or just half assing it on the ice doesn't really matter to me that much.

He's still worth looking at if he comes cheap and doesn't have an ego about his spot in the lineup, but it's not 100% Buffalo making him look bad right now.

He's definitely not going to perform anywhere near his peak. But imo even Hall at 70% is still a good second line caliber player in terms of output

 

[Dreakmur]

Dermott for pending UFA Jamie Oleksiak (50%).

Who says no? Keeping in mind that Dermott would most likely be exposed/lost in the expansion draft.

I think we have to expose at least one defenseman in the expansion draft.

 

[LeafParade]

This effectively tells me that when Taylor Hall is on the ice, they are effectively a crash and bang/deflections off of defensive point shots type of team... and they don't have too many great crash and bang kind of players.

I think Hall works on a line with Tavares and Hyman because all three of them keep it simple. Hall just has to drive the line and set up Tavares. Hyman can take care of the rest.

Nylander is more dynamic and looks better with players like Kerfoot.

 

[kb]

67 points per 82 over the last 3 seasons. Still a no doubt 1st liner

I am of the "What have you done recently" crowd. Teams that acquire him just seem to implode.

Plus, as someone posted earlier....last 3 seasons:

Hall: 129 GP, 29 G

Galchenyuk: 141 GP, 28 G

Not worth it to spend significant assets on IMO. A 2nd and a B prospect? Sure - why not?

Now having said that, I would try to make the deal bigger to get Ullmark too.

Andersen, Kerfoot, 1st, B prospect. (or Andersen stays here, goes on LTIR).
for
Taylor Hall (25% retention), Linus Ullmark, Curtis Lazar.

 

[LeafParade]

He's definitely not going to perform anywhere near his peak. But imo even Hall at 70% is still a good second line caliber player in terms of output

I am not looking for peak Hall. I just want top 6 winger Hall at 50% retention and without giving up anything tangible.

 

[Menzinger]

I saw on Twitter (though haven't verified it) that Hall is still owed quite a bit of real dollars.

Would imagine that alone is keeping many teams away

 

[kb]

I think we have to expose at least one defenseman in the expansion draft.

Holl will be exposed I would assume if they go 7-3-1.

 

[kb]

Leafs more likely. Depends on how much of an upgrade they view him on the bottom pairing

Dermott seems to be struggling mightily at times. Oleksiak is a big guy who can skate and clear the way, plus he has experience from the Cup run Dallas made.

A bottom pairing of Oleksiak and Bogosian would be formidable.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I am of the "What have you done recently" crowd. Teams that acquire him just seem to implode.

Plus, as someone posted earlier....last 3 seasons:

Hall: 129 GP, 29 G

Galchenyuk: 141 GP, 28 G

Not worth it to spend significant assets on IMO. A 2nd and a B prospect? Surem why not?

Now having said that, I would try to make the deal bigger to get Ullmark too.

Andersen, Kerfoot, 1st, B prospect. (or Andersen stays here, goes on LTIR).
for
Taylor Hall (25% retention), Linus Ullmark, Curtis Lazar.

Overpayment.

 

[Dreakmur]

Holl will be exposed I would assume if they go 7-3-1.

We also have to expose a forward. I can't even think of 7 we can protect....

Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, Kerfoot, and Engvall are the only 6 we currently need to protect. We could re-sign guys like Hyman and Simmonds just to protect them I suppose.

 

[HolyCrap]

Leafs biggest issue seems to be the quarantine time and most teams we would trade with are South of the border. I had a feeling this would be an issue.

edit. 2 mins after I post this it sounds like they are reducing the quarantine time. So that will be huge.

 

[4thline]

I am of the "What have you done recently" crowd. Teams that acquire him just seem to implode.

Plus, as someone posted earlier....last 3 seasons:

Hall: 129 GP, 29 G

Galchenyuk: 141 GP, 28 G

It was posted... wasn't really worth repeating though.

Last three seasons
Hall 129GP 29G 106P = 18G, 67P per 82
Galchenyuk 141 GP 28G 67P, 16G, 39P per 82

Of their last 3 seasons, Hall's current (and by far worst) he is on pace to match the point production of Galchenyuk's best. The expected performance curve is exactly what I put in my initial post

 

[Menzinger]

Dermott seems to be struggling mightily at times. Oleksiak is a big guy who can skate and clear the way, plus he has experience from the Cup run Dallas made.

A bottom pairing of Oleksiak and Bogosian would be formidable.

There's certainly a logic to it, but also comes down to what plans they have for Dermott.