Trades and Free Agency Thread - Push all the chips in?

[SeaOfBlue]

We disagree

Just love how involved he is, I think the playoffs suit him perfectly, gets his nose dirty, if the cost is a 2nd+prospect or a 2nd+3rd, just pony up the 1st for Laughton at 50% retained, he adds a different element to the team than Granlund.

At this point I think the point is moot. I don't think Philly sees themselves as sellers. They are in a bit of a tailspin, but I think it is more likely they go big by getting an Ekholm (they could offer up Ghost, Patrick, a B prospect, and their 1st for him) and perhaps chasing Ullmark or Andersen to improve their goaltending.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Darcy Kuemper is getting healthy in Phoenix and is due back before the deadline. I wouldn't be opposed to these types of upgrades for the organization at the deadline.

To Phoenix
Freddie Anderson (owed very little)
2021 1st round pick

To Toronto
Darcy Kuemper

To Nashville
2021 2nd round pick
Alexander Kerfoot

To Toronto
Mikael Granlund (retained)

To anyone
Depth prospect or Mid round pick

To Toronto
7th defenseman

To Toronto
Bobby Ryan

To Detroit
2022 3rd or 4th round pick

Playoff Leafs

Ryan-Matthews-Marner
Granlund-Tavares-Nylander
Simmonds-Engvall-Hyman
Thornton-Spezza-Mikheyev
Galchenyuk

Reilly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Dermott-Bogosian
Veteran Depth guy

Kuemper
Campbell

IMO, the best part of that is the following. You don't lose any of Sandin, Liljegren, Robertson, Amirov or Niemela to trade. You also don't touch any of your high picks in the 2022 draft, instead sacrificing the top of the 2021 Draft, which is a mess anyways. Furthermore, you fix your goaltending for this season and next (Kuemper is signed through next year), while saving 500k, with the difference between what you're paying Kuemper vs what you're paying Anderson.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

ya I have never been a fan of the Granlund speculation. We need Playoff level tenacity. Which is not what Granlund is. I don't think we need a player who puts the puck in the net. We need a player that will be a hard to play against. which is also what Dubas indicated was his priority in his presser a week ago. A guy like Cody Eakin makes a lot of sense to me

 

[SeaOfBlue]

In his last 140 games with Minnesota, he scored at a ~0.83P/G pace and has since scored at a ~0.44P/G pace. With the former likely being the absolute upside and the latter being the floor, I don't think 0.6P/G is unreasonable to expect while playing role on both the PK and PP. I'm all for Granlund if the cost isn't a 1st.

He's not an asset on the PK. He plays on the PK, but he is pretty awful at it... Especially this year. I don't see how he cracks a PK rotation of Mikheyev, Hyman, Kerfoot, Marner, Engvall, and occasionally Spezza when all 6 of them have been better PKers than he has been.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Darcy Kuemper is getting healthy in Phoenix and is due back before the deadline. I wouldn't be opposed to these types of upgrades for the organization at the deadline.

To Phoenix
Freddie Anderson (owed very little)
2021 1st round pick

To Toronto
Darcy Kuemper

To Nashville
2021 2nd round pick
Alexander Kerfoot

To Toronto
Mikael Granlund

To anyone
Depth prospect or Mid round pick

To Toronto
7th defenseman

To Toronto
Bobby Ryan

To Detroit
2022 3rd or 4th round pick

Playoff Leafs

Ryan-Matthews-Marner
Granlund-Tavares-Nylander
Simmonds-Engvall-Hyman
Thornton-Spezza-Mikheyev
Galchenyuk

Reilly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Dermott-Bogosian
Veteran Depth guy

Kuemper
Campbell

IMO, the best part of that is the following. You don't lose any of Sandin, Liljegren, Robertson, Amirov or Niemela to trade. You also don't touch any of your high picks in the 2022 draft, instead sacrificing the top of the 2021 Draft, which is a mess anyways. Furthermore, you fix your goaltending for this season and next (Kuemper is signed through next year), while saving 500k, with the difference between what you're paying Kuemper vs what you're paying Anderson.

You lose Campbell for nothing when Seattle picks him in 3 months.

 

[Puckstuff]

Trade 1: Andersen + 2nd for Rantta

Trade 2: Dermott + Amirov + 1st for Ekholm

I suspect there wouldn’t be enough $$ for another top 6 left winger so pass on Granlund, bring up Robertson.

If there’s a big top 6 winger available like another Hyman or Coleman type I’ll take that over Ekholm but if it’s a smaller player like Granlund I’ll take Robertson+Ekholm over Granlund. While I think priority is 1) Goalie 2) LW 3) defence, if I have a far greater upgrade at D then I would go that route over LW but it all comes down to opportunity. But please upgrade on Andersen as priority #1

 

[Stephen]

I was just going to post this. Spot on. I love how he drew a comp to when he was traded to Nashville from Minnesota at a better point in his career and got 2 goals between the remaing regular season games and playoffs (2G - 5A - 7Pts -22GP). What exactly would we be expecting to get from Mikhail at a lesser impactful time in his career? never made much sense. Glad Pouly spoke up.

I get the thought process but I don’t agree with Granlund at all. Rewind about 10 years and he was a darling prospect with star in the making Saku Koivu type upside. Never materialized. I bet the thought process is to take a high pedigree guy, give him a lower level of responsibility and let him thrive.

We’ve seen what more diverse players who bring size and skill, grit and energy can do for the lineup. Simmonds, Hyman and Holl have filled unique roles in the lineup and are noticeable. I would prefer we double up on one of those types and be a more balanced roster than to do even more of the thing we already do well. Because let’s be honest. The Leafs have never been able to dictate the style of play in a head to head playoff. Whether it’s been a powerhouse like Boston or a low end blue collar team like the Blue Jackets.

 

[SprDaVE]

I honestly don’t think that’s our primary need either. We can see what a shot in the arm a more diverse type of player type can be for the lineup, whether it’s the emergency of a big body defenseman like Holl or Wayne Simmonds as a power forward energy player, or how much we value a unique grinder like Hyman. Imagine if we doubled up on any one of those categories.

Getting a skillsy, smallish upgrade on Kerfoot to replace Kerfoot or play alongside him doesn’t move the needle nearly as much.

But I see it as a philosophical difference. If the Leafs want to add even more puck possession and finesse skills they want to be overwhelmingly good in a category. My approach would be to bring more balance and eliminate any potential weaknesses at the other aspects of the game.

We have 1 forward under 6' (as regulars) and the team under went a bunch of additions in this aspect. This team lost a lot of speed and creativity offensively over the last year or so. We've had a carrousel of LWers tried in the top 6 with mixed results.

Granlund is a pretty good upgrade on most LWers we have. Kerfoot never put up close to 70 points in a season and certainly never played for a tire fire like Nashville in terms of offence.

This isn't to say he's amazing and the "best" player available but he'd be a pretty good upgrade for the price it would take to acquire him, which would be at most a 2nd round pick. We don't have to substract from the roster to add him and he's proven to be a fairly good top 6 player that plays a very well rounded game. For a cap strapped team, this is big.

He's much better than many of the other options thrown in the ring here and what we currently have.

 

[IrishInOntario]

You lose Campbell for nothing when Seattle picks him in 3 months.

Don't think he'll be the target. I think they take Holl or Dermott and I dont think the price would be high, even if they wanted to take Campbell, to pay them off to take one of the defensemen instead.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Darcy Kuemper is getting healthy in Phoenix and is due back before the deadline. I wouldn't be opposed to these types of upgrades for the organization at the deadline.

To Phoenix
Freddie Anderson (owed very little)
2021 1st round pick

To Toronto
Darcy Kuemper

To Nashville
2021 2nd round pick
Alexander Kerfoot

To Toronto
Mikael Granlund

To anyone
Depth prospect or Mid round pick

To Toronto
7th defenseman

To Toronto
Bobby Ryan

To Detroit
2022 3rd or 4th round pick

Playoff Leafs

Ryan-Matthews-Marner
Granlund-Tavares-Nylander
Simmonds-Engvall-Hyman
Thornton-Spezza-Mikheyev
Galchenyuk

Reilly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Dermott-Bogosian
Veteran Depth guy

Kuemper
Campbell

IMO, the best part of that is the following. You don't lose any of Sandin, Liljegren, Robertson, Amirov or Niemela to trade. You also don't touch any of your high picks in the 2022 draft, instead sacrificing the top of the 2021 Draft, which is a mess anyways. Furthermore, you fix your goaltending for this season and next (Kuemper is signed through next year), while saving 500k, with the difference between what you're paying Kuemper vs what you're paying Anderson.

Kuemper could be taken in expansion though, so you may not be getting him this year and next. Something to consider, especially when you can get Ullmark for a lot less.

I am also keeping Kerfoot + 2nd over Granlund. I wouldn't even do it without the 2nd round pick.

 

[Faltorvo]

Hypothetically...

If the price was the following, would you do it?

To Nashville
Travis Dermott
Pierre Engvall
Rodion Amirov
Ronnie Hirvonen or Filip Hallander
1st round pick

To Toronto
Mikael Granlund
Mattias Ekholm (retained)

Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Granlund-Tavares-Nylander
Simmonds-Kerfoot-Mikheyev
Thornton-Spezza-Robertson
Barabanov

Reilly-Brodie
Muzzin-Ekholm
Holl-Bogosian
Liljegren

Is that good enough in your opinion to be worth moving the assets?

For me,it's a no thanks,,i'd rather go something like this (this is assuming we are OK with soup/Fred)

Kerf + for 50% retained Erik Staal,,,We get a big body/vet/3rdC/LW for the top 6 and someone who can safely fill 2nd C if one of Matty/JT drops and we add 1.6m cap space.

Amirov(if we must) +2021 1rst + B prospect for 50% retained Ekholm =s 1,875,000m cap hit added,,Ekholm can cover any top 4 D spot,,#1 PK D,,makes our 3rd pair into a 2nd pair,,IF Liljedgrin is needed we have a solid vet to back him up

and he makes Dermott 1rst out of the press box (now thats good depth)

265k of our existing cap space used and that fits.

Kerf out and Ekholm plus Erik Staal in and the cap fits? yes please

 

[IrishInOntario]

Kuemper could be taken in expansion though, so you may not be getting him this year and next. Something to consider, especially when you can get Ullmark for a lot less.

I am also keeping Kerfoot + 2nd over Granlund. I wouldn't even do it without the 2nd round pick.

I'm fine with people who don't like trading for Granlund. I'm not terribly high on him. That said, I'm in no way, shape, or form accepting of Alex Kerfoot playing in Toronto's top 6. He does absolutely noting for me, especially at 3.5 million. I'd like to see him shipped out... Maybe it's an Alex Iafallo or Rickard Rakell you target at forward. Regardless, a top 6 with Alex Kerfoot and Wayne Simmonds as your left wings is not winning a Cup, IMO.

 

[SniperOnTheWing]

Skill wise I get why people want Kuemper but the guy is a walking injury. He wouldn't be much good to us if he spends half the year on the shelf.

 

[sxvnert]

Depth trade:

Mantha (LW) - 2,850,000 (50%)
Glendening (C) - $900,000 (50%)
Stecher (RD) - $850,000 (50%)
Merrill (LD) - $925,000
$5,525,000

for

Kerfoot - $3,500,000
Engvall - $1,250,000
Barabanov - $925,000
2021 1st
Top prospect not named Sandin
$5,675,000

--------------------------------------------------------

Mantha Matthews Marner
Hyman Tavares Nylander
Mikheyev #3Center Simmonds
Thornton Glendening Spezza
Galchenyuk

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Dermott Bogo
Merrill Stecher

Andersen
Campbell
#3G

 

[IrishInOntario]

Skill wise I get why people want Kuemper but the guy is a walking injury. He wouldn't be much good to us if he spends half the year on the shelf.

I think Kuemper and Campbell in a position split could go a long way towards keeping them both healthy.

 

[Judas Tavares]

A guy like Hall would be doubling down on the team's skill potential, but if he's not scoring, he's not doing anything for you. On the other end, a guy like Sam Bennett brings that tenacity, but not enough skill. So I try to look in the middle, and a guy like Granlund would seem to fit there. But almost too much of a mushy middle. Will he score enough? Will he help on the defensive side of things enough? He just seems like another body really.

I think Iafallo and Foligno are the targets that make the most sense. Or if you really want to double down on the skill, you get Forsberg, rather than Hall, but that isn't happening.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Depth trade:

Mantha (LW) - 2,850,000 (50%)
Glendening (C) - $900,000 (50%)
Stecher (RD) - $850,000 (50%)
Merrill (LD) - $925,000
$5,525,000

for

Kerfoot - $3,500,000
Engvall - $1,250,000
Barabanov - $925,000
2021 1st
Top prospect not named Sandin
$5,675,000

--------------------------------------------------------

Mantha Matthews Marner
Hyman Tavares Nylander
Mikheyev #3Center Simmonds
Thornton Glendening Spezza
Galchenyuk

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Dermott Bogo
Merrill Stecher

Andersen
Campbell
#3G

Glendening is horrible.

 

[Faltorvo]

I'm fine with people who don't like trading for Granlund. I'm not terribly high on him. That said, I'm in no way, shape, or form accepting of Alex Kerfoot playing in Toronto's top 6. He does absolutely noting for me, especially at 3.5 million. I'd like to see him shipped out... Maybe it's an Alex Iafallo or Rickard Rakell you target at forward. Regardless, a top 6 with Alex Kerfoot and Wayne Simmonds as your left wings is not winning a Cup, IMO.

your take on LW is ridiculous ,,,you are completely ignoring the quality of,,,,,, Matty/Mitch,,,,,,,,JT/Willi

Matty/Mitch are among the top 5 most dangerous pairs in the league

JT/Willi are among the top 5 most dangerous pairs on a 2nd line

right now our LW is,,,,,, Hyman,,,,,Sims,,,,,,Gally,,,,,Kerf

hyman is a bonified top line LW,,,on pace for 30 goals 54 points

Sims/Gally/Kerf as your 2nd LW options are not that bad

 

[mydnyte]

Darcy Kuemper is getting healthy in Phoenix and is due back before the deadline. I wouldn't be opposed to these types of upgrades for the organization at the deadline.

To Phoenix
Freddie Anderson (owed very little)
2021 1st round pick

To Toronto
Darcy Kuemper

To Nashville
2021 2nd round pick
Alexander Kerfoot

To Toronto
Mikael Granlund (retained)

To anyone
Depth prospect or Mid round pick

To Toronto
7th defenseman

To Toronto
Bobby Ryan

To Detroit
2022 3rd or 4th round pick

Playoff Leafs

Ryan-Matthews-Marner
Granlund-Tavares-Nylander
Simmonds-Engvall-Hyman
Thornton-Spezza-Mikheyev
Galchenyuk

Reilly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Dermott-Bogosian
Veteran Depth guy

Kuemper
Campbell

IMO, the best part of that is the following. You don't lose any of Sandin, Liljegren, Robertson, Amirov or Niemela to trade. You also don't touch any of your high picks in the 2022 draft, instead sacrificing the top of the 2021 Draft, which is a mess anyways. Furthermore, you fix your goaltending for this season and next (Kuemper is signed through next year), while saving 500k, with the difference between what you're paying Kuemper vs what you're paying Anderson.

my goodness, i'd want to be an opposing GM with you heading the other team... highway robbery on every deal save maybe Ryan.

Kuemper is no better/worse than Anderson, and his health has been worse ...so, we add a 1st?

Kerfoot younger/cheaper/similar/better to Granlund and has reasonable term, so, lets add a 2nd!
the best part about Granlund is he is an expiring contract, but, thats reason for US to get more back, not give up more.

for goodness sakes, better off doing nothing than throwing away assets and picks

 

[Twine Tickler]

Cody Eakin has been so awful he was healthy scratched. He has an extra year and is not cheap on the cap. At this point, not a guy I am investing in.

Cody Eakin sucks, and terrible players are never hard to play against

he's also represented Canada in the world championships and world juniors. He also has played deep into the playoffs and knows what that takes. He has never been a player who you question work ethic or willingness to adapt. Everybody on buffalo has been deserving of a healthy scratch with the exception of Jack. I think its a low cost option that could be had with retention for peanuts. Truthfully, I think he would be equally as effective as Granlund. Maybe more. He would challenge for top 9 role and likely would be a mainstay on our 4th line. Even if he doesn't crack the lineup consistently he would be easily inserted into the lineup if a series swayed out of our favor. Historically when the leafs lose in the playoffs, it is because they failed to match the energy and physicality of the the opponent. We do not need soft skill, we need players who change the tide of the game with a big hit or good forecheck.



look at this sequence. down 2 buzz, Kadri lays a couple massive hits. The barn wakes up, and the Leafs score the next shift and eventually win that game. We need energy from players when we get down. Something we have desperately lacked without Kadri. Yes, Kadri got suspended 2 times in the playoffs for playing this way, which was massive because he was a huge player for us. We don't give a shit if a guy like Eakin has to sit for a game or 2 if it wakes up the team from their pity party.

Eakin w/ 50% retention would cost nothing and could be that type of energy. It wouldn't be my only move, but even if you sent barabanov the other way on top of the 50% retention it makes the cost almost neutral. Much rather Eakin than Barabanov

 

[LeafChief]

I keep seeing 1st round picks and Amirov getting thrown into proposals for rentals. Y'all are f***ing crazy.

 

[Faltorvo]

Because with a healthy roster they have a greater need for a top-six winger than a top 4 LD. I think if the Leafs just add Granlund, it is to improve their depth, thus allowing them to keep Kerfoot lower in the lineup in the 3rd/4th line C spot (obviously defensive depth would be nice too, but it is less of a need).



In his last 140 games with Minnesota, he scored at a ~0.83P/G pace and has since scored at a ~0.44P/G pace. With the former likely being the absolute upside and the latter being the floor, I don't think 0.6P/G is unreasonable to expect while playing role on both the PK and PP. I'm all for Granlund if the cost isn't a 1st.

we have a #1 Lw in Hyman on pace for 30G 54P and we have Gally/Sims/Kerf for 2nd line LW,,WHEN the C/RW are of JT/WN caliber,,,those 3 options are fine.

We took a HUGE hit when muzz went down in the play ins and we failed to even make the POs

Ekholm can fill ANY top 4 slot(when one gets hurt and they will) and makes our 3rd pair,,,Ekholm/Bogo ROCK solid

and the cherry ontop? Dermott is first out of the press box or 7th D dressed,,now we are talking about quality PO D depth

 

[IrishInOntario]

your take on LW is ridiculous ,,,you are completely ignoring the quality of,,,,,, Matty/Mitch,,,,,,,,JT/Willi

Matty/Mitch are among the top 5 most dangerous pairs in the league

JT/Willi are among the top 5 most dangerous pairs on a 2nd line

right now our LW is,,,,,, Hyman,,,,,Sims,,,,,,Gally,,,,,Kerf

hyman is a bonified top line LW,,,on pace for 30 goals 54 points

Sims/Gally/Kerf as your 2nd LW options are not that bad

It's obvious that they want to play Hyman on thr 3rd line, where he can drive play. If they were committed to him as a top 6 left wing, you'd have a great argument, but they move him up and down the lineup. I want somebody that can play big minutes, every night on that line.

I'm not ignoring anything relative to center / right wing. I'm fully aware that Mathews / Marner is elite and Tavares / Nylander is pretty outstanding as well. Doesn't change the fact, that LW could be upgraded, the players on the market to do so are available and Toronto has plenty enough assets to make a move for one of them, without gutting the cupboard at all.

My take isn't close to ridiculous. You might not like it, but LW is a concern on this team. Not the only concern, but a realistic one.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

we have a #1 Lw in Hyman on pace for 30G 54P and we have Gally/Sims/Kerf for 2nd line LW,,WHEN the C/RW are of JT/WN caliber,,,those 3 options are fine.

We took a HUGE hit when muzz went down in the play ins and we failed to even make the POs

Ekholm can fill ANY top 4 slot(when one gets hurt and they will) and makes our 3rd pair,,,Ekholm/Bogo ROCK solid

and the cherry ontop? Dermott is first out of the press box or 7th D dressed,,now we are talking about quality PO D depth

The Leafs didn't lose to Columbus because they couldn't defend. They couldn't score

 

[Faltorvo]

It's obvious that they want to play Hyman on thr 3rd line, where he can drive play. If they were committed to him as a top 6 left wing, you'd have a great argument, but they move him up and down the lineup. I want somebody that can play big minutes, every night on that line.

I'm not ignoring anything relative to center / right wing. I'm fully aware that Mathews / Marner is elite and Tavares / Nylander is pretty outstanding as well. Doesn't change the fact, that LW could be upgraded, the players on the market to do so are available and Toronto has plenty enough assets to make a move for one of them, without gutting the cupboard at all.

My take isn't close to ridiculous. You might not like it, but LW is a concern on this team. Not the only concern, but a realistic one.

you are making a mountain out of a mole hill and given our cap crunch

defense is the biggest issue along with it's depth