Trades and Free Agency Discussion - The Dog Days of Summer

[notDatsyuk]

Dubas landed Karlsson.

Seems to be a significant enough addition that it should push them back into the top mix of contenders in the conference. Still each passing year could be the year one of their top players finally takes a significant step back. But, in the short term the Penguins have solidified themselves as a threat as it looked like they may take a step back.

A lot of people thought the same about his signing Tavares. How's that working out?

 

[Leafs87]

Sorry in advance as I don’t have a link, just heard on the radio when my co worker was driving me.

Leafs seem to have interest in Andrew Peeke. This would be an amazing Luke Schenn replacement. I was hoping the Leafs would make the call once CBJ signed Severson to that massive deal and looked as if they needed to move a RHD.

 

[notDatsyuk]

In fairness, "everything being on the table" is a statement that receives attention but ultimately lacks in substance because it rarely benefits a GM to outright commit to either making a change or maintaining the status quo. I can understand the argument for not buying what Dubas was apparently selling there though because of the feeling that he went off script and into business for himself.

"Everything is on the table" is always true, and usually meaningless.

Would you trade Matthews?

Would you trade Matthews for McDavid if Edmonton retains 20%?

 

[weems]

Sorry in advance as I don’t have a link, just heard on the radio when my co worker was driving me.

Leafs seem to have interest in Andrew Peeke. This would be an amazing Luke Schenn replacement. I was hoping the Leafs would make the call once CBJ signed Severson to that massive deal and looked as if they needed to move a RHD.

This is very interesting if true.

I brought up Peeke's name before as a good target for a RHD physical player that's yet to truly break out. I even like his upside more than Schenn because his skating and mobility is better.

I didn't think CBJ would trade him but who knows.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Him injuring Binnington was probably his best play or his too many men on the ice goal.

He is an extremely useful player but is very overrated, and Colorado was amazing that year, they likely win the cup without him, I don't think he was that important.

Half his points came in 2 games btw

7 of his 15 points came in two games.

6 of Marner's 14 points came in the first two games, but you have argued that for him we should look at the whole run, and not point out the details.

 

[Buds17]

"Everything is on the table" is always true, and usually meaningless.

Would you trade Matthews?

Would you trade Matthews for McDavid if Edmonton retains 20%?

Exactly. Anything being up for consideration isn't the same as suggesting that a move is imminent or even in the offing.

 

[LeafSteel]

Sorry in advance as I don’t have a link, just heard on the radio when my co worker was driving me.

Leafs seem to have interest in Andrew Peeke. This would be an amazing Luke Schenn replacement. I was hoping the Leafs would make the call once CBJ signed Severson to that massive deal and looked as if they needed to move a RHD.

I would be really pleased with Peeke.

Been wanting him for at least 2 seasons and would be an excellent RHD addition.

Honestly, would make me more inclined to move on from Brodie while he still has good value and frees up $5m in cap space, who is going to be a UFA after this season.

Rielly-Peeke
McCabe-Klingberg
Gio-Liljegren
Timmins

Would like to see LHD get stronger but our RHD, with Niemala developing on the Marlie’s this year looks better than it has in years.

 

[andora]

"Everything is on the table" is always true, and usually meaningless.

Would you trade Matthews?

Would you trade Matthews for McDavid if Edmonton retains 20%?

I would do it with edmonton adding 20%

 

[Burnie97]

A lot of people thought the same about his signing Tavares. How's that working out?

Huh?

You're comparing where Pittsburgh is at ... adding Karlsson ... to where leafs were when adding Tavares?

Not even f***ing close.

Also yeah adding Tavares at 11 didn't exactly make it easy cap wise ... especially when the pandemic hit... but JT is just about a ppg player since coming to the Leafs.

Nope he's not quick but with a selke nominee like Marner on his wing and Keefe if he learns how to f***ing coach... he's more than fine.

The hate on JT is odd.

He's our captain. Nope he isn't the guy you'd maybe picture vocal wise but it's about the whole dressing room. It's about guys like Matthews or Marner growing and being more vocal.

Who would you rather have as 2c that leafs could get for free other then money?

 

[rocketman588]

I brought up Peeke's name before as a good target for a RHD physical player that's yet to truly break out. I even like his upside more than Schenn because his skating and mobility is better.

I didn't think CBJ would trade him but who knows.

They have 5 solid D plus jurichek so maybe they would. We also know babs likes a particular style of player so maybe he just doesn't fit for whatever reason. I don't know what they would want for him tbh

 

[andora]

They have 5 solid D plus jurichek so maybe they would. We also know babs likes a particular style of player so maybe he just doesn't fit for whatever reason. I don't know what they would want for him tbh

Well peeke wouldnt be good on their enforcer (powerplay)

 

[notDatsyuk]

Huh?

You're comparing where Pittsburgh is at ... adding Karlsson ... to where leafs were when adding Tavares?

Not even f***ing close.

Also yeah adding Tavares at 11 didn't exactly make it easy cap wise ... especially when the pandemic hit... but JT is just about a ppg player since coming to the Leafs.

Nope he's not quick but with a selke nominee like Marner on his wing and Keefe if he learns how to f***ing coach... he's more than fine.

The hate on JT is odd.

He's our captain. Nope he isn't the guy you'd maybe picture vocal wise but it's about the whole dressing room. It's about guys like Matthews or Marner growing and being more vocal.

Who would you rather have as 2c that leafs could get for free other then money?

I don't hate JT, but I do understand that his signing was a mistake, as has been proven pretty well over the last five years.

Pittsburgh may have a better chance of winning with Karlsson than we do with Tavares, but I don't think it's much.

 

[Mitch nylander]

Anyone you guys are interested in PTOing?

I wouldn't mind giving Mason Shaw a PTO if he's healthy, as well as Simon Benoit.

More competition at camp, the better.

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From the European Side, I wouldn't mind taking a look at:

Marcus Sylvegard - A speedy winger, who loves board battles and plays with an edge. Had a breakout season last year. Could be a nice bottom 6 piece.
Linus Oberg - A fiesty puck battler, who gives it 100% every shift. Another guy I feel who could make a good bottom 6 forward.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Well of course, we're not trying to get ripped off here now are we. If we're giving up important pieces/assets then you better be getting a damn good return for them and the only supposedly vetoed trade that has been reported on was one that we were getting ripped off on pretty bad. So I'd say he did a good job being team president don't you think?

Where is this coming from that shanny vetoed that? Pretty sure it’s widely accepted that the Knies mrazek deal was what Kyle Davidson wanted from Toronto and Toronto said no way.

 

[LaPlante94]

Where is this coming from that shanny vetoed that? Pretty sure it’s widely accepted that the Knies mrazek deal was what Kyle Davidson wanted from Toronto and Toronto said no way.

It's the only reported supposedly vetoed trade I found when looking it up after people complained about Shanahan doing it. Think Dreger and Friedman said it.

 

[andora]

Anyone you guys are interested in PTOing?

I wouldn't mind giving Mason Shaw a PTO if he's healthy, as well as Simon Benoit.

More competition at camp, the better.

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From the European Side, I wouldn't mind taking a look at:

Marcus Sylvegard - A speedy winger, who loves board battles and plays with an edge. Had a breakout season last year. Could be a nice bottom 6 piece.
Linus Oberg - A fiesty puck battler, who gives it 100% every shift. Another guy I feel who could make a good bottom 6 forward.

Mason shaw definitely.. it's been a long time since we had the guy like him or like Ryan lomberg

 

[Dekes For Days]

Where is this coming from that shanny vetoed that? Pretty sure it’s widely accepted that the Knies mrazek deal was what Kyle Davidson wanted from Toronto and Toronto said no way.

One untrustworthy media guy threw out a rumour that a Hagel deal was blocked by Shanahan. Then some people made a bunch of assumptions about what happened. Then Friedman came out and said that the original rumour was nonsense and it was never vetoed because Knies was a non starter for Dubas too (which is pretty obvious to anybody who has listened to Dubas talk about Knies). Then everybody seemed to conveniently forget that and continue spreading false information as fact.

 

[Dreakmur]

One untrustworthy media guy threw out a rumour that a Hagel deal was blocked by Shanahan. Then some people made a bunch of assumptions about what happened. Then Friedman came out and said that the original rumour was nonsense and it was never vetoed because Knies was a non starter for Dubas too (which is pretty obvious to anybody who has listened to Dubas talk about Knies). Then everybody seemed to conveniently forget that and continue spreading false information as fact.

So there is not even one known instance of Shanahan blocking a trade then? Seems like both edges of the fringe is spreading false information as fact….

 

[ToDavid]

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Keep in mind that there’s varying types of statements. Several players gave the boilerplate “I wasn’t involved in any wrongdoing.” That doesn’t necessarily mean anything more than “I haven’t been charged with a crime.”

 

[ToDavid]

So there is not even one known instance of Shanahan blocking a trade then? Seems like both edges of the fringe is spreading false information as fact….

Based on what Friedman has described, it sounded more like it was just an inefficient process that was the problem. Dubas would initiate trade talks, then he would have to sell it to Shanny, who would then have to sell it to the board, who would then deliberate. And it was the time involved plus the potential for misunderstanding in the game of telephone, which could result in trades passing them by, rather than anyone vetoing anything.

 

[tmlfan98]

If what Caleb Jones just signed for is any indication of where the FA market is at now, if Ethan Bear can be had for 1M or less, Treliving should be in on signing him.

 

[andora]

If what Caleb Jones just signed for is any indication of where the FA market is at now, if Ethan Bear can be had for 1M or less, Treliving should be in on signing him.

Remember he is likely out till january

 

[Fogelhund]

We should be looking at one more depth forward and one more depth D. That is, barring trades.

Whether we sign them to contracts, or offer multiple PTO’s and let them battle it out….

I’d like Comtois as the forward, **2018 noted and a more physical D man. I’m not sure who fits that bill and is available.

 

[WTFMAN99]

We should be looking at one more depth forward and one more depth D. That is, barring trades.

Whether we sign them to contracts, or offer multiple PTO’s and let them battle it out….

I’d like Comtois as the forward, **2018 noted and a more physical D man. I’m not sure who fits that bill and is available.

Nick Holden and ZAR / Heinen would make sense.

 

[Fogelhund]

Nick Holden and ZAR / Heinen would make sense.

I can’t argue with those names either.