Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[Hoglund4MvP]

I'm assuming that's Tavares you're referring to.
Did he really convince him? I thought (and I can't be the only one) that it was a given he was coming here.

If whoever this winter soldier guy is was gm you guys all hate, tavares would still sign here. Let's put it that way

 

[1specter]

I can't say for certain either way but Friedman and Marek were recently talking about it on their pod (either the most recent episode or the one before) and they mentioned again that even in the day prior to Free Agency, Tavares was very undecided

And yup sorry, I was referring to Tavares in that previous post.


Yup I'd agree with that. Unless I'm forgetting a trade, there hasn't been one yet that sticks out as him fleecing someone.

The Foligno one is pretty unfortunate the way it played out with his back failing him 2-3 games into his Leafs tenure.

A lot of people around here disliked Burke but other than the Kessel trade, he was really good at fleecing. The Lupul + Gardiner for Beauchemin trade always sticks out to me. I think it was him that acquired Franson initially too (I could be wrong on that one).

Yeah, from what was reported it came down to the wire for JT. I also remember reading that apparently Dubas had some people put together a pretty grand video presentation where they superimposed JT as a Leaf and he came out of the meeting quite impressed.

It's a contrast to when everyone thought Stamkos to Toronto was a slam dunk and apparently he got scared away from the meeting.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Tavares himself has stated that he was really unsure about coming here/what he was going to do, and Dubas and the presentation they gave was a big part of convincing him to come.

But hey, maybe some guy on the internet that wants to discredit the GM knows better than the guy literally involved.

 

[Mess]

Is Aube Kubel the guy that had an incredible Memorial Cup for some Q team a while back?

No he is the guy that dented the Stanley Cup during the Teams Cup photo.

An Ecstatic Nicolas Aubé-Kubel Dropped & Dented The Stanley Cup After Winning It



Avs forward Nicolas Aube-Kubel was the culprit after tripping to the ice while joining the team photo. Aube-Kubel braced himself for the fall with the 130-year-old trophy driving the base hard into the ice. Whoops.



Aube-Kubel’s gaffe led to what is easily the greatest photo captured in the National Hockey League this season.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Yeah, from what was reported it came down to the wire for JT. I also remember reading that apparently Dubas had some people put together a pretty grand video presentation where they superimposed JT as a Leaf and he came out of the meeting quite impressed.

It's a contrast to when everyone thought Stamkos to Toronto was a slam dunk and apparently he got scared away from the meeting.

That video is miniscule and irrelevant to the 3 headed monster matthews marner and nylander Tavares was coming to play with and wanted re-assurance would be kept together. So if you guys are weighing that video heavy which is less relevant, then the work of past GMs that allowed dubas to inherit matthews marner and nylander gets even more credit.

So even if you don't want to agree Tavares was a shoe-in to be a Leaf, Dubas is still more of just a placeholder more than a requirement for Tavares signing. Which GM is really going to say "no I do not plan to keep my stars, sorry".

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Tavares himself has stated that he was really unsure about coming here/what he was going to do, and Dubas and the presentation they gave was a big part of convincing him to come.

But hey, maybe some guy on the internet that wants to discredit the GM knows better than the guy literally involved.

yeah a video screening is going to really be the breaking deal for a professional athlete Heres some popcorn john look what our new IT guy and creative director whipped together for you.

Our core sealed the deal if there was indeed any doubt not some dumb video that impressed him. Credit the core to Dubas than you can credit Tavares to Dubas the way you want to. Good luck.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Tavares himself has stated that he was really unsure about coming here/what he was going to do, and Dubas and the presentation they gave was a big part of convincing him to come.

But hey, maybe some guy on the internet that wants to discredit the GM knows better than the guy literally involved.

It's literally fact by now our roster sold Tavares (if there exists people that truly believe he needed to be sold), not Dubas. All Dubas had to do was not blow the question when Tavares asked him his plans for his core.

“I would say that it helped,” Brisson says. “But it wasn’t the reason he went to Toronto.”

No, that came down to the roster. On the podcast, Dubas gave his highly quoted answer to the question of whether or not he could keep all four of Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares: “We can… and we will.” Tavares demanded that commitment. If he was going to make the leap, he craved assurances the team would not go backward.

How the biggest free agent in NHL history chose the Maple Leafs

www.sportsnet.ca

You're on a board with Leafs homers you think we're going to forget quotes from when Xmas came early?

 

[Dekes For Days]

yeah a video screening is going to really be the breaking deal for a professional athlete

Not just a "video screening". The entire presentation, the way Dubas dealt with him, the vision they had for the team, how they sold the city and team, how they valued Tavares, how they felt he could fit in and what he could bring, etc.

Take it up with Tavares, not me. I'm sure Tavares will be very interested in what some guy on the internet has to say about how he felt.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Not just a "video screening". The entire presentation, the way Dubas dealt with him, the vision they had for the team, how they sold the city and team, how they valued Tavares, how they felt he could fit in and what he could bring, etc.

Take it up with Tavares, not me. I'm sure Tavares will be very interested in what some guy on the internet has to say about how he felt.

There's nothing to take up. The video presentation doesn't need to exist. I'm sure he was impressed by it and it was a good video but it does not need to exist. The pieces that sold him was here and Dubas is not necessary for those pieces. The only thing that sends JT back to islanders is if dubas said "no i dont plan on keeping marner and matthews" which not even biggest idiot on earth would say in that situation.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I can't say for certain either way but Friedman and Marek were recently talking about it on their pod (either the most recent episode or the one before) and they mentioned again that even in the day prior to Free Agency, Tavares was very undecided

And yup sorry, I was referring to Tavares in that previous post.


Yup I'd agree with that. Unless I'm forgetting a trade, there hasn't been one yet that sticks out as him fleecing someone.

The Foligno one is pretty unfortunate the way it played out with his back failing him 2-3 games into his Leafs tenure.

A lot of people around here disliked Burke but other than the Kessel trade, he was really good at fleecing. The Lupul + Gardiner for Beauchemin trade always sticks out to me. I think it was him that acquired Franson initially too (I could be wrong on that one).

JVR for Schenn too.

The Kessel deal was just so bad.

A shame that Burke's era couldn't draft/develop either.

 

[LeafChief]

JVR for Schenn too.

The Kessel deal was just so bad.

A shame that Burke's era couldn't draft/develop either.

That's the one I was forgetting. JVR for Schenn was an incredible move.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

It's literally fact by now our roster sold Tavares (if there exists people that truly believe he needed to be sold), not Dubas. All Dubas had to do was not blow the question when Tavares asked him his plans for his core.

“I would say that it helped,” Brisson says. “But it wasn’t the reason he went to Toronto.”

No, that came down to the roster. On the podcast, Dubas gave his highly quoted answer to the question of whether or not he could keep all four of Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares: “We can… and we will.” Tavares demanded that commitment. If he was going to make the leap, he craved assurances the team would not go backward.

How the biggest free agent in NHL history chose the Maple Leafs

www.sportsnet.ca

You're on a board with Leafs homers you think we're going to forget quotes from when Xmas came early?

dekes for days, some random guy on the internet should be listened to over Brisson.

 

[LeafChief]

Tavares very well may have had his mind made up but the idea that the GM that signed the contract doesn't get the credit (good or bad) is a real strange one.

This place is a real strange place, though.

 

[LeafSteel]

What I remember most in the courting of Tavares was that Mitch Marner was a part of the presentation team, and that Tavares was being pitched specifically that he would be playing with Marner on his RW if he signed.

As Babcock was part of the group pitching, that's exactly who Tavares' RW was when it was still Babcock running the show.

I always wondered if that was why Babcock was so set against playing Matthews and Marner..... either way, the forward talent we have is more than I can remember having at any point in the last 40+ years....

 

[DraftSchmaft]

dekes for days, some random guy on the internet should be listened to over Brisson.

Haha.

To be fair though Dubas does get some credit for the ultimate reason of JT choosing us. The Kessel trade was the final piece to the tank. Dubas was in charge of that trade.

Personally though I think Marner would have been enough for JT to say yes. That's just my opinion though not stating it as fact or anything.

 

[Knies iT]

JVR for Schenn too.

The Kessel deal was just so bad.

A shame that Burke's era couldn't draft/develop either.

Phaneuf for depth players.

Lupul + Gardiner for Beauchemin.

JVR for Schenn.

Franson + Lombardi for Lebda.

Giguere for Toskala + Blake (negative dump).

Versteeg for Stalberg + scraps (later flipped Versteeg for 1st +).

1st + 2nd + top prospect that busted (Colborne) for old Kaberle.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Tavares very well may have had his mind made up but the idea that the GM that signed the contract doesn't get the credit (good or bad) is a real strange one.

This place is a real strange place, though.

Yeah change the context now. You guys made it about some dumb video when in actuality it was the roster. Dubas didn't build the pieces on his own that attracted Tavares so there is still more doubt than there is certainty that the credit Dubas deserves to sign Tavares is significant. If you're an objective person you will understand what is being said.

*That is if a tie breaker was needed. Majority will have opinion Tavares bleeds blue.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Phaneuf for depth players.

Lupul + Gardiner for Beauchemin.

JVR for Schenn.

Franson + Lombardi for Lebda.

Giguere for Toskala + Blake (negative dump).

Versteeg for Stalberg + scraps (later flipped Versteeg for 1st +).

1st + 2nd + top prospect that busted (Colborne) for old Kaberle.

Kinda wonder how Burke would have done walking into a spot like Dubas did.

I think he would have wanted to go for toughness, likely would have wanted to improve defense and I think he might have stayed with Andersen.

I don't think Burke would have gone for JT but considering we had LACK - 4 dead weight vs a lot of money tied up in a reasonably good player.

Just spit balling on my part.

 

[LeafChief]

Yeah change the context now. You guys made it about some dumb video when in actuality it was the roster. Dubas didn't build the pieces on his own that attracted Tavares so there is still more doubt than there is certainty that the credit Dubas deserves to sign Tavares is significant. If you're an objective person you will understand what is being said.

*That is if a tie breaker was needed. Majority will have opinion Tavares bleeds blue.

You guys? I didn't say anything about a video. You seem a little too emotionally involved in this.

@ACC1224 asked me if I was referring to Tavares in a previous post I made. I said yes. You're a little too hyper today.

 

[Knies iT]

Kinda wonder how Burke would have done walking into a spot like Dubas did.

I think he would have wanted to go for toughness, likely would have wanted to improve defense and I think he might have stayed with Andersen.

I don't think Burke would have gone for JT but considering we had LACK - 4 dead weight vs a lot of money tied up in a reasonably good player.

Just spit balling on my part.

His contracts were awful and so was his drafting/developing. He also had a long list of trades that were just poor talent evaluation.

But when it came to negotiating value in trades, he could outright fleece GM's. We've probably seen 1 clear trade tilt in this regime (Kapanen), whereas Burke had like 5-7.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Haha.

To be fair though Dubas does get some credit for the ultimate reason of JT choosing us. The Kessel trade was the final piece to the tank. Dubas was in charge of that trade.

Personally though I think Marner would have been enough for JT to say yes. That's just my opinion though not stating it as fact or anything.

I did give Dubas some credit.

People are just not understanding my logic in this:

"That video is miniscule and irrelevant to the 3 headed monster matthews marner and nylander Tavares was coming to play with and wanted re-assurance would be kept together. So if you guys are weighing that video heavy which is less relevant, then the work of past GMs that allowed dubas to inherit matthews marner and nylander gets even more credit"


All I saying is if you take weighted approach to factor causing Tavares to sign, it seems the credit Dubas gets isn't really that significant. It would take something very very very drastic and horrific from Dubas end to make Tavares go anywhere else, but that is not a realistic scenario given what we know.

 

[al secord]

Yeah change the context now. You guys made it about some dumb video when in actuality it was the roster. Dubas didn't build the pieces on his own that attracted Tavares so there is still more doubt than there is certainty that the credit Dubas deserves to sign Tavares is significant. If you're an objective person you will understand what is being said.

*That is if a tie breaker was needed. Majority will have opinion Tavares bleeds blue.

Try chamomile tea.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

You guys? I didn't say anything about a video. You seem a little too emotionally involved in this.

@ACC1224 asked me if I was referring to Tavares in a previous post I made. I said yes. You're a little too hyper today.

You're right I scrolled up and it wasn't you it was someone else, you came out of no where calling the place strange in between all of it so grouped you into the people I was talking to. sorry

Try chamomile tea.

Try logic over what tea leaves tell you.

 

[ACC1224]

Tavares very well may have had his mind made up but the idea that the GM that signed the contract doesn't get the credit (good or bad) is a real strange one.

This place is a real strange place, though.

I wasn't discrediting him, was just an observation.
I never really expected Stamkos to sign as he would have been leaving a great situation. Tavares was different, once he made it to UFA I was certain he was signing here regardless of who the GM was. Hindsight, they would have probably been better off had they passed on Tavares, but I don't put that on Dubas either. I don't believe he would have been allowed to pass up signing him.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

I did give Dubas some credit.

People are just not understanding my logic in this:

"That video is miniscule and irrelevant to the 3 headed monster matthews marner and nylander Tavares was coming to play with and wanted re-assurance would be kept together. So if you guys are weighing that video heavy which is less relevant, then the work of past GMs that allowed dubas to inherit matthews marner and nylander gets even more credit"


All I saying is if you take weighted approach to factor causing Tavares to sign, it seems the credit Dubas gets isn't really that significant. It would take something very very very drastic and horrific from Dubas end to make Tavares go anywhere else, but that is not a realistic scenario given what we know.

ignore the troll telling you to calm down with tea , I fully understand and get what you're saying.