Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[Dreakmur]

I disagree with this line of thinking.

Leafs were bleeding goals the entire series. Kampf is their best shutdown forward and got majority defensive assignments.

If you need a stop you put Kampf in. If you need a goal in tied game, you are playing Nylander over Kampf.

The forward lines in a playoff series are played situationally. Kampf is the best forward to play in defensive situations. Nylander is the 3rd/4th best forward to play in offensive situations.

You say you disagree and then write 3 paragraphs agreeing with me.

 

[Shooter2x]

I don't think we actually know what Aube Kubel is yet. A 2.04 pp60 with Colorado so well ahead of Kase Mik and Engvall. The guy played under 10:00 a night so what he can produce with Mik's minutes might surprise.


You can definitely replace his 13 g for under $3.5M., Engvall, Mik, and Kase all did that and more for half the salary. The question is how many of his 16 primary assists are on him and how many are due to the firepower he plays with? I am not sure this is a repeatable year for Kerf. If they can sell high they probably should.

I think it's hard to convince even the person you're quoting that Kerfoot's primary assists are needed for the Leafs out of all teams to not have to worry about goal scoring in the regular season. So I think it's safe to say we're all on the same page or will end up on the same page eventually.

 

[notDatsyuk]

How could I forget him lol. That changes the line up quite a bit haha.

Before Knies arrives:

Kane - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Tavares - Nylander

You moved Kane from right to left wing, and still haven't addressed the Tavares/Nylander issue.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I keep circling back to a Muzzin trade that brings back a 2nd pair RHD that is cheaper.
Mayfield +?

Reilly Brodie
Sandin Mayfield
Gio Liljgren

Essentially two second pairs.
Saves about 4m on the cap.
Lets you add another 3 decent guys and Sandin.

ZAR + Statsny + De Haan could be had.

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Robertson - Tavares - Marner
Jarnk - Statsny - Kerfoot
ZAR - Kampf - Engval
Aube-Kubel Gaudette

Loose a bit of the Muzzin presence on the back end but get a huge addition yo the forward depth.

Mayfield would be a good addition to the back end, but how much would we have to add to get them interested? Can we afford to give up any more picks?

 

[andora]

Mayfield would be a good addition to the back end, but how much would we have to add to get them interested? Can we afford to give up any more picks?

A mayfield/beauvillier combo could be nice

 

[notDatsyuk]

If the Isles are looking to clear cap Beauvillier would be a nice get potentially. Good skill , high motor: I could see him breaking out with optimal usage /linemates

Beauvillier always struck me as a Nylander light type, even more perimeter. I'd rather we'd have kept Mikheyev.

Plus the Islanders are showing $11M cap space, so I don't think that's too much of a concern for them.

 

[A1LeafNation]

You say you disagree and then write 3 paragraphs agreeing with me.

Well if that's what you meant then I agree.

 

[notDatsyuk]

A mayfield/beauvillier combo could be nice

Mayfield yes, Beauvillier not as much, but what would we have to give back? Muzzin plus a second might get Mayfield.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

You moved Kane from right to left wing, and still haven't addressed the Tavares/Nylander issue.

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Kane
Bunting - Tavares - Marner

Is quite literally the best top6 in the league....and IMO obtainable, with our assets and space.
I sound like a broken record though.

 

[andora]

When colorado was healthy which wasnt often in the last two round aube kubel would be sat

But injuries to burakovsky cogliano kadri and i believe someone else missed a game he played

He will be what he is 4th line RW. Straight lines, dump chase forecheck and chirp a bit

If he starts dangling he can get in trouble .. turnovers inside opposition blueline top of circle deep and slow passes into wrong spots

Keeps it simple and its fine

Mayfield yes, Beauvillier not as much, but what would we have to give back? Muzzin plus a second might get Mayfield.

They might be looking to get rid of a forward to accomodate dobson romanov and maybe kadri. Dumping beauvillier might be the favor exchange

Can those three be done with adding muzzin.. possible but tight

 

[notDatsyuk]

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Kane
Bunting - Tavares - Marner

Is quite literally the best top6 in the league....and IMO obtainable, with our assets and space.
I sound like a broken record though.

Personally, I'd prefer:

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Bertuzzi - Nylander - Kane

with Tavares at 3C, but I sound like a broken record.

 

[notDatsyuk]

They might be looking to get rid of a forward to accomodate dobson romanov and maybe kadri. Dumping beauvillier might be the favor exchange

Can those three be done with adding muzzin.. possible but tight

I don't see them worsening their defence just to get rid of Beauvillier.

They could trade Mayfield for Muzzin and a 2nd, and trade Beauvillier separately for a 2nd or even a late 1st.

Cap comes out the same, but they free a roster spot plus add picks.

 

[andora]

I don't see them worsening their defence just to get rid of Beuavillier.

They could trade Mayfield for Muzzin and a 2nd, and trade Beauvillier separately for a 2nd or even a late 1st.

Cap comes out the same, but they free a roster spot plus add picks.

Actually yes your scenario works better for them

2 or 3 draft picks gained (regardless of what round beau returns

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

So whats the date people expect the trades and signings to come in?

Were obviously not done, is there another date were eyeing? What's the hold up?

 

[BertCorbeau]

So whats the date people expect the trades and signings to come in?

Were obviously not done, is there another date were eyeing? What's the hold up?

I dunno but it feels like the Leafs are done lol

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Is Aube Kubel the guy that had an incredible Memorial Cup for some Q team a while back?

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

I dunno but it feels like the Leafs are done lol

But we're over the cap. We have to make a move to clear space and sign or trade Sandin right?

So whats the hold up?

 

[Fogelhund]

Just a note here. Malgin was a top player in the Swiss league last year, plays C, including at the WC for Switzerland, where he was 5th in scoring with 12 points in 8 games, and has extensive time on their PK.

Against Team Canada in the WC, he was +3, with two points, had some great PK shifts and win some important draws.

Given it’s been a couple of years since he went back, I don’t know if they’ll give him a chance at C, or wing. I just don’t think this is a player that everyone should be sleeping on. He’s a guy who could end up forcing his way into the lineup, and perhaps even at C. If this was a Euro FA signing, people would be excited. He played as well as, and at times better than Pius Suter at the WC, a guy people here have wanted at times.

We’ve got a lot of guys competing for spots here, and that’s not a bad thing.

 

[Stephen]

I wonder if we revisit Andreas Johnsson after his current contract expires. He sure didn't live up to $3.4 million...

 

[LeafSteel]

Just a note here. Malgin was a top player in the Swiss league last year, plays C, including at the WC for Switzerland, where he was 5th in scoring with 12 points in 8 games, and has extensive time on their PK.

Against Team Canada in the WC, he was +3, with two points, had some great PK shifts and win some important draws.

Given it’s been a couple of years since he went back, I don’t know if they’ll give him a chance at C, or wing. I just don’t think this is a player that everyone should be sleeping on. He’s a guy who could end up forcing his way into the lineup, and perhaps even at C. If this was a Euro FA signing, people would be excited. He played as well as, and at times better than Pius Suter at the WC, a guy people here have wanted at times.

We’ve got a lot of guys competing for spots here, and that’s not a bad thing.

If Malgin can go into camp and beat someone out of a position on opening day, so be it, and all the more power to him.

What my worry is that Keefe gifts him a spot in the lineup so that his boss doesn't look worse than he already does having traded Marchment to get Malgin, who for all intents and purposes, has made Dubas clearly the decisive loser in that trade.

I would expect that everyone gets an equal shot, that it's not Malgin's spot to lose, and that if he doesn't earn it he's waived or sent to the Marlies.

Truth be told, I don't have the confidence in Keefe to do what's right for the Team in this scenario vs placating his boss. I'd much rather see a deserving Marlie take a spot in the lineup and if cutting our losses with Malgin is required by waiving or demoting him, than so be it.

 

[4thline]

Just a note here. Malgin was a top player in the Swiss league last year, plays C, including at the WC for Switzerland, where he was 5th in scoring with 12 points in 8 games, and has extensive time on their PK.

Against Team Canada in the WC, he was +3, with two points, had some great PK shifts and win some important draws.

Given it’s been a couple of years since he went back, I don’t know if they’ll give him a chance at C, or wing. I just don’t think this is a player that everyone should be sleeping on. He’s a guy who could end up forcing his way into the lineup, and perhaps even at C. If this was a Euro FA signing, people would be excited. He played as well as, and at times better than Pius Suter at the WC, a guy people here have wanted at times.

We’ve got a lot of guys competing for spots here, and that’s not a bad thing.

Fan baggage from the trade/ his previous stint aside, not many years ago a player coming from Europe to TO with his last 2 seasons would be being hyped and penciled into the top 6.

 

[WTFMAN99]

You just brought up 3 deals he “nearly” did. Dubas actually traded a 1st for Foligno and actually traded Kadri for Barrie/Kerfoot and actually acquired Murray with only 25% retention.

And actually traded for Muzzin and actually signed Brodie and actually traded for and re-signed Giordano and actually found Bunting and actually convinced a big name Toronto boy to finally sign with our team.

There is good and bad with every GM. You just hope the good outweighs the bad. If there was a perfect GM, the same team would win the cup every year.

I wasn't against the Foligno trade at the time, it was just unfortunate his back went when it did.

He hasn't really fleeced anyone unfortunately.

 

[ACC1224]

And actually traded for Muzzin and actually signed Brodie and actually traded for and re-signed Giordano and actually found Bunting and actually convinced a big name Toronto boy to finally sign with our team.

There is good and bad with every GM. You just hope the good outweighs the bad. If there was a perfect GM, the same team would win the cup every year.

I'm assuming that's Tavares you're referring to.
Did he really convince him? I thought (and I can't be the only one) that it was a given he was coming here.

 

[Fogelhund]

If Malgin can go into camp and beat someone out of a position on opening day, so be it, and all the more power to him.

What my worry is that Keefe gifts him a spot in the lineup so that his boss doesn't look worse than he already does having traded Marchment to get Malgin, who for all intents and purposes, has made Dubas clearly the decisive loser in that trade.

I would expect that everyone gets an equal shot, that it's not Malgin's spot to lose, and that if he doesn't earn it he's waived or sent to the Marlies.

Truth be told, I don't have the confidence in Keefe to do what's right for the Team in this scenario vs placating his boss. I'd much rather see a deserving Marlie take a spot in the lineup and if cutting our losses with Malgin is required by waiving or demoting him, than so be it.

I mean. Has Keene ever gifted a spot with Dubas? Ever?

 

[LeafChief]

I'm assuming that's Tavares you're referring to.
Did he really convince him? I thought (and I can't be the only one) that it was a given he was coming here.

I can't say for certain either way but Friedman and Marek were recently talking about it on their pod (either the most recent episode or the one before) and they mentioned again that even in the day prior to Free Agency, Tavares was very undecided

And yup sorry, I was referring to Tavares in that previous post.

I wasn't against the Foligno trade at the time, it was just unfortunate his back went when it did.

He hasn't really fleeced anyone unfortunately.

Yup I'd agree with that. Unless I'm forgetting a trade, there hasn't been one yet that sticks out as him fleecing someone.

The Foligno one is pretty unfortunate the way it played out with his back failing him 2-3 games into his Leafs tenure.

A lot of people around here disliked Burke but other than the Kessel trade, he was really good at fleecing. The Lupul + Gardiner for Beauchemin trade always sticks out to me. I think it was him that acquired Franson initially too (I could be wrong on that one).