Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[TheGreatOne11]

The last two pages in this thread are probably but McDavid is directly referencing

Lmao 100% this.

It wasn't a shot, it was recognizing that Toronto is the biggest market in the NHL and with that comes many positives, but also many negatives and expectations. That's all McDavid meant.

 

[Jozay]

Mcdavid is coming home

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Too much money. He put up 13 points from January on, once Kane joined them and he was displaced. As a third line guy, I don't think he offers enough offensively for this. Barring injuries (to others ahead of him in the lineup), he's going to put up less than 30 points this year... and while his defensively. He's a guy who really needs top two line type players, to succeed offensively. This is probably his last year in Edmonton, which might be good for both parties involved.

I think McLeod will just take his tender, but even if he does, that doesn't leave a lot of room for Yamamoto.

No idea what EDM is going to do. Probably work really hard to find a taker for Barrie, but how many teams want a guy like him? There is a lot of salary left, he does bring offense but not a ton (and it will go down once he is off of that McDavid-Draisaitl PP), and he is a total liability defensively. A team like MTL could probably use him as a stop gap, but they don't have the cap space. CHI could as well, and that is probably EDM's best bet for a clean dump right now.

If EDM dumps Barrie, they could have a lot of interest in Holl to replace him. He is a better fit for their needs and he is cheap enough to let them sign their remaining RFA's. If they give us their 2nd this year in return (at least), I can see the Leafs moving him there.

That leaves around 2.15 mill to sign Sandin and a new #7, and the Leafs can still explore the market for Kerfoot but they are not forced to trade him. If Sandin wants more than Liljegren, then he can continue to sit.

 

[ULF_55]

Really crapping on the Leafs defense is he?

 

[Fogelhund]

I wonder how long we'll have to wait until we dump cap and sign Sandin. Will it be before August?

No need to dump cap before we sign Sandin.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think McLeod will just take his tender, but even if he does, that doesn't leave a lot of room for Yamamoto.

No idea what EDM is going to do. Probably work really hard to find a taker for Barrie, but how many teams want a guy like him? There is a lot of salary left, he does bring offense but not a ton (and it will go down once he is off of that McDavid-Draisaitl PP), and he is a total liability defensively. A team like MTL could probably use him as a stop gap, but they don't have the cap space. CHI could as well, and that is probably EDM's best bet for a clean dump right now.

If EDM dumps Barrie, they could have a lot of interest in Holl to replace him. He is a better fit for their needs and he is cheap enough to let them sign their remaining RFA's. If they give us their 2nd this year in return (at least), I can see the Leafs moving him there.

That leaves around 2.15 mill to sign Sandin and a new #7, and the Leafs can still explore the market for Kerfoot but they are not forced to trade him. If Sandin wants more than Liljegren, then he can continue to sit.

I assume you calculated Klefblom and Smith on LTIR?

Edmonton fans think Puljujarvi or Foegele will be moved.

 

[zeke]

I think McLeod will just take his tender, but even if he does, that doesn't leave a lot of room for Yamamoto.

No idea what EDM is going to do. Probably work really hard to find a taker for Barrie, but how many teams want a guy like him? There is a lot of salary left, he does bring offense but not a ton (and it will go down once he is off of that McDavid-Draisaitl PP), and he is a total liability defensively. A team like MTL could probably use him as a stop gap, but they don't have the cap space. CHI could as well, and that is probably EDM's best bet for a clean dump right now.

If EDM dumps Barrie, they could have a lot of interest in Holl to replace him. He is a better fit for their needs and he is cheap enough to let them sign their remaining RFA's. If they give us their 2nd this year in return (at least), I can see the Leafs moving him there.

That leaves around 2.15 mill to sign Sandin and a new #7, and the Leafs can still explore the market for Kerfoot but they are not forced to trade him. If Sandin wants more than Liljegren, then he can continue to sit.

I think EDM can tuck both Yama and McLeod under the cap, but it'll leave them with the minimum 20 man roster and maybe $100k in capspace.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Just looked like a standard comment tbh but hey I dunno jack.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I wonder how long we'll have to wait until we dump cap and sign Sandin. Will it be before August?

Or Sandin can just take the bridge deal since he has no leverage at the moment. The offer sheet didn't come, we have NHL defensemen already under contract with LD depth added.

Sandin shouldn't be getting more than Liljegren.

 

[The Masters]

pretty cool

 

[andora]

Thats awesome

Kind of see them as people and ca t help but feel happy for them

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I assume you calculated Klefblom and Smith on LTIR?

Edmonton fans think Puljujarvi or Foegele will be moved.

That is possible, especially since there are more cheap forwards available, but I guess it depends on the market for those guys too.

If I had to choose between the guys remaining for free and less cap vs. those two for more, IDK if I am giving up anything good for either of them.

 

[jaric1862]

Do people honestly think Robertson is ready for 2nd line duties to start the year? It feels like he needs atleast until the trade deadline to be in the conversation as full-time NHLer. His progress has just been too interrupted with COVID and injuries.

 

[stickty111]

Do people honestly think Robertson is ready for 2nd line duties to start the year? It feels like he needs atleast until the trade deadline to be in the conversation as full-time NHLer. His progress has just been too interrupted with COVID and injuries.

If he has a good camp, he absolutely deserves a chance

 

[andora]

If he has a good camp, he absolutely deserves a chance

Amen..

Young guys should already be parts of lineups come trade deadline not breaking in at that point.

Teams should be honing in on how they are going to be playing by that point in the season for the playoffs.. refining system and in sync. Kids shouldnt be coming in at that time.. adjusting to system and pace and then boom.. playoffs

Thats stupid.. in my opinion

If he is ready mentality and foot speed.. play him

 

[Menzinger]

Something I saw proposed in another thread is giving Bunting to the 2nd line.

Robertson - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Tavares - Nylander

Marner and Matthews carried around the corpse of Thornton and actually had him playing around a point per game through the first 15 or so games of that season. People that watched Robertson in the AHL last year understand how good he can be. Throw him to the wolves and see how he does.


I like it. How would you set up the lines?

I think it's definitely it's something they should take advantage of this season. Matthews and Marner can play with anyone. Out Bunting on either the second or third line and spread the depth around

 

[Mickey Marner]

pretty cool

I like how Gaudreau introduces himself to everyone even though they all obviously know who he is. Seems like a humble guy who's just happy to be there.

 

[nuck]

I assume you calculated Klefblom and Smith on LTIR?

Edmonton fans think Puljujarvi or Foegele will be moved.

Pulju for sure now that his max QO has been established for next year. He is an interesting player and I don't believe he has particularly benefited from McDrai. Not everyone fits with every star, Crosby showed us that for most of his career. A really impressive skill package that might do well on a club that can give him lots of opportunities. Carolina Foegle was a pretty good player but he is at least $1M high for what he delivers in Edmonton. I don't think they hate him enough to retain though.

 

[123offtheglass]

Best case scenario Robertson has a good camp & mostly sticks to 2LW, then Knies signs & maybe competes or shares that spot.

Young guys have to make a jump at some point but progression isn't linear so it's hard to say when that happens.

 

[nuck]

I think it's definitely it's something they should take advantage of this season. Matthews and Marner can play with anyone. Out Bunting on either the second or third line and spread the depth around

Thats the first half of the season for the top 6. and if they can just export Kerf and import Stastny at half the cap I would like their top 9. They are going to be butter soft but they honestly aren't far away from icing a stronger group of skaters than last season.

 

[Stephen]

Do people honestly think Robertson is ready for 2nd line duties to start the year? It feels like he needs atleast until the trade deadline to be in the conversation as full-time NHLer. His progress has just been too interrupted with COVID and injuries.

No way to know until training camp, but safe to say Nick Robertson on July 26 is not going to be the same player as when camp starts in September. It's key he has a great summer preparing.

 

[Fogelhund]

Amen..

Young guys should already be parts of lineups come trade deadline not breaking in at that point.

Teams should be honing in on how they are going to be playing by that point in the season for the playoffs.. refining system and in sync. Kids shouldnt be coming in at that time.. adjusting to system and pace and then boom.. playoffs

Thats stupid.. in my opinion

If he is ready mentality and foot speed.. play him

And has built up the core strength to stay on his feet. Of course that is an off season thing, not a during season thing. Hearing him speak, he’s probably working very hard on those things and I’m sure that the Leafs are tracking his progress.

That being said Nylander had 75 AHL games and 43 SHL games before he made the transition. Robertson has only had 49 AHL games… Covid and injuries of course delaying him. Nick is also only 20, so while it seems he’s been around a long time, he was one of the youngest in his draft class, and hasn’t had that much hockey under his belt, or pro games. Patience might be needed, but by all means, give him an opportunity.

 

[meefer]

I don't see Arizona making that deal, unless the add is significant. Crouse will come in at $3 - $3.25 (Closest recent comparable might be Jordan Greenway at $3 mil.)

Not a fan of Anderson at all, so me personally would pass.

I'd love to add McLeod the player... but the World Junior problem is significant.

I can see the hesitation about Anderson. Crouse, ya, an add would be required, though what I don't know. I think you might be able to get him to take a short term deal with the Leafs at a more favorable number. McLeod's situation is very disturbing.

The thought behind these trades was simply to provide the 'physicality' desired by many, all three being in the top 60 in hits by forwards last year. With all three being from the area, I could also see them becoming fan favorites.

 

[andora]

And has built up the core strength to stay on his feet. Of course that is an off season thing, not a during season thing. Hearing him speak, he’s probably working very hard on those things and I’m sure that the Leafs are tracking his progress.

That being said Nylander had 75 AHL games and 43 SHL games before he made the transition. Robertson has only had 49 AHL games… Covid and injuries of course delaying him. Nick is also only 20, so while it seems he’s been around a long time, he was one of the youngest in his draft class, and hasn’t had that much hockey under his belt, or pro games. Patience might be needed, but by all means, give him an opportunity.

Definitely.. agree
He has to show without a doubt or a hum haw conversation that he is ready

 

[Fogelhund]

I can see the hesitation about Anderson. Crouse, ya, an add would be required, though what I don't know. I think you might be able to get him to take a short term deal with the Leafs at a more favorable number. McLeod's situation is very disturbing.

The thought behind these trades was simply to provide the 'physicality' desired by many, all three being in the top 60 in hits by forwards last year. With all three being from the area, I could also see them becoming fan favorites.

Bastian from NJD would make a nice 4th line pickup too. (Plenty of hits). I’m also not sure why NJD would move him or McLeod.