Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[andora]

With Bergeron yes , but Kreijci has signed a multi year deal back home . He won't be a Bruin this year at least and effectively retired from the NHL was my understanding/recollection. Maybe things changed but I thought a deal overseas was signed.

Edit -appears I'm mistaken and that a return is still possible . The Bruins demise might be premature if those 2 return for another kick at the can

No worries

They can still make the playoffs and lose in the first.. im ok with that

 

[ULF_55]

I think we're stuck with Holl and Kerfoot tbh.

They can always waive Holl and clear a million.

Now why would they do that?
Probably wouldn't but they aren't stuck with him, I'm sure he'd be claimed.

Training camp next week?
Can't come soon enough.

 

[ULF_55]

How about:

Kerfoot and Holl
for
Okposo 50% retention?

Nylander-Tavares-Okposo

 

[TheDoldrums]

Stuck with Holl

 

[All Mod Cons]

Stuck with Holl

Jesus Christ, imagine a blue line of:

Mikey Anderson/Justin Holl
Brett Kulak/Martin Fehervary
MacKenzie Weegar/Cody Ceci

Practically couldn't get into our zone.

 

[zeke]

Kerfoot is a solid versatile middle 6 forward who gets paid league minimum next year to any team that's not at the cap. Doubt he's hard to move.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Jesus Christ, imagine a blue line of:

Mikey Anderson/Justin Holl
Brett Kulak/Martin Fehervary
MacKenzie Weegar/Cody Ceci

Practically couldn't get into our zone.

I mean it's only one part of being a good defenseman. Your takeaway shouldn't be picking and choosing your percieved worst players in that area while ignoring the Slavins, Toews, McAvoys, Hedmans, etc. It should more be a realization that hey maybe $2M for a RHD with some good qualities isn't bad and we're not "stuck."

 

[All Mod Cons]

I mean it's only one part of being a good defenseman. Your takeaway shouldn't be picking and choosing your percieved worst players in that area while ignoring the Slavins, Toews, McAvoys, Hedmans, etc. It should more be a realization that hey maybe $2M for a RHD with some good qualities isn't bad and we're not "stuck."

Oh for sure. But I mean, imagine having those six, cost effective dmen. The opposition would hardly enter our zone. Then we can fully load up on forwards. We can have like 10 top 6 forwards.

Wonder if anyone will go this route in the immediate future?

 

[andora]

I mean it's only one part of being a good defenseman. Your takeaway shouldn't be picking and choosing your percieved worst players in that area while ignoring the Slavins, Toews, McAvoys, Hedmans, etc. It should more be a realization that hey maybe $2M for a RHD with some good qualities isn't bad and we're not "stuck."

Also goes to show how damn good those ones you named are as they were getting the best players against them

What site shows who was on the ice against eachother the most

 

[Duffman955]

Real talk, no agenda in mind

This team looks worse than last year no?

 

[ULF_55]

Stuck with Holl

Don't you mean stuck with Rielly?

 

[Stephen]

I don’t know. Kadri and Nylander were at that level and it took them a long time to move up. And note, I’m not listing the number of games to say that he doesn’t deserve a shot, or a look, it’s just that others took more experience before moving up. If he doesn’t make it yet, that’s ok, we’ve had plenty of other players not make it the first shot, get more experience and be great contributors. He’s very young still, not a lot of games behind him, so if he doesn’t make it, it doesn’t make him a bust. But he does deserve a shot.

Kadri and Nylander were both Top 10 picks. That isn’t what Nick Robertson is. If you look at a Kasperi Kapanen and a Connor Brown, who were late first round and 6th round picks, they each spent some time up with the Leafs but didn’t find their full time footing with the team till their Age 22 season. Robertson is going to enter his Age 21 season now, so expect some reps but maybe he makes it, maybe he doesn’t this season on a full time basis.

 

[Jmo89]

I mean it's only one part of being a good defenseman. Your takeaway shouldn't be picking and choosing your percieved worst players in that area while ignoring the Slavins, Toews, McAvoys, Hedmans, etc. It should more be a realization that hey maybe $2M for a RHD with some good qualities isn't bad and we're not "stuck."

Or it's a bad defencemen with one good trait.

They may not be "stuck" with him but they can certainly use the money better elsewhere.

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

Twitter is in peak offseason mode. Remember dart guy? lol

I mean maybe this isn’t a bad idea lol. Have to add Sandin and a first and maybe more though lol

 

[zeke]

Real talk, no agenda in mind

This team looks worse than last year no?

Think it looks about the same tbh. Goalies probably about the same weakness they were last year. D imo likely upgraded with Gio here fulltime and no Boosh. Mikheyev a bit of a blow to the forwards but imo its time to give some kids a real shot up there anyways.

 

[Torontonian]

Real talk, no agenda in mind

This team looks worse than last year no?

In what way? We have hardly changed anything lol. 1st line is the same, 2nd line is the same with kerfoot on it, 3rd line we subtracting Mikey and replaced him with Jarkrok, 4th line we subtracted Spezza and replaced him with NAK or someone else, could even be better if our younger AHL players are playing over Clifford and Simmonds.

D is the exact same, the only thing we really have changed is goaltending, and Murray might be worse then Campbell, even though after December we got .900 goaltending the rest of the year, and Samsonov is better then Mrazek.

 

[Stephen]

Real talk, no agenda in mind

This team looks worse than last year no?

On paper it’s the same to worse with more question marks but you have to look at the team in relative terms. I think we improved relative to Tampa and Florida getting worse faster while the floor has been raised in the Atlantic quite significantly. But the other factor is we didn’t really do that well against Buffalo and Ottawa so maybe it all come out as a wash. 105-110 points is possible.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Matthew Tkachuk on picking Panthers over hometown Blues: ‘Could I have pictured myself there? Yes' - The Athletic

But it appears that it never got that far because offers from St. Louis and Carolina didn’t measure up to what Calgary eventually received from Florida. One source said the Blues’ proposal included Vladimir Tarasenko, Marco Scandella and a high draft pick; the team officially declined comment.

The Flames’ interest in Tarasenko, or lack thereof, was an issue. He has just one season left on his contract, though they traded for two players, Huberdeau and Weegar, who are also entering the final year of their deals. One could also question whether Tarasenko would have waived his no-trade clause to play in Calgary; his agent, Paul Theofanous, did not immediately return a message.

As far as Carolina, a source said that the Hurricanes put together a package that included forward Martin Necas, 23.

So did it ever get close with St. Louis?

“I don’t really know the answer to that, if I’m being honest,” Tkachuk said. “I had a handful of teams that I was interested in, and after talking to Florida more and more, I realized that that was probably the best option for me.

“They were the team that probably made the biggest push at the end, and they ended up getting a deal. It happened really fast with Florida, so I don’t even know how close anybody else really got.”

The Blues’ efforts came with a sales pitch from Robert Thomas, Tkachuk’s close friend who recently signed an eight-year, $65 million extension. The two were recently together in Boston for a golf tournament.

“I don’t think he means to pitch it, but he talked about it a lot,” Tkachuk said. “He’s a great player, and it would be cool with him. He is going to have a great rest of his career. He is one of the big parts of the future in St. Louis, and I’m sure lots of guys are going to sign in St. Louis for the chance to play with him, but I’m really excited to go to Florida. The talent they have there is really special, as well.”

 

[zeke]

Kadri and Nylander were both Top 10 picks. That isn’t what Nick Robertson is. If you look at a Kasperi Kapanen and a Connor Brown, who were late first round and 6th round picks, they each spent some time up with the Leafs but didn’t find their full time footing with the team till their Age 22 season. Robertson is going to enter his Age 21 season now, so expect some reps but maybe he makes it, maybe he doesn’t this season on a full time basis.

Kappy might be the easiest comp - mostly in the AHL at 19 and 20 with small unsuccessful cups of coffee in the bigs each year. Similar enough production as Nick but I think Nick's was slightly better.

At 21, the Leafs had a bunch of large contracts in their middle 6 winger slots like Marleau and JVR with Brown as the last top 9 winger while Babs was still enamored with Komarov and Martin and Moore despite their poor play. The team was very healthy and there wasn't much room with all the favored vets that would have to be moved off the team for Kappy to play - but Kappy was still the first callup and only played 28gms in the AHL that year and was on tbe NHL roster for most of the year. In the NHL he didn't play great but was only receiving limited 4th line minutes. Even then he had at least earned a fulltime spot ahead of Moore/Komarov/Martin by the time the playoffs rolled around. He even got Martin waived that year iirc.

I would see Nick at a similar place this year as Kappy was then, but with a less clogged roster ahead of him.

 

[Shooter2x]

Stuck with Holl

what is the homie rielly doing though

 

[zeke]

They don't name him there but Muzzin is the Leaf overlapping with Brodie.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Stuck with Holl

this is nothing new. Everyone knows Leafs are good at rush defence then break down if you catch them on in-zone because of low iq and soft net play from guys like Holl.

Even at Holl's worse most still know he's good at rush defence still.

rielly also make sense there. expect him to be in a better category for part 2 (transitioning outside d zone).

Ron Hainsey amazing at rush defence but no good at in-zone so teams would freely give him the % carry in allowed axis in order to catch him on in-zone instead.

Stop trying to save holl he's done here and was benched twice even.

 

[613Leafer]

Real talk, no agenda in mind

This team looks worse than last year no?

I would say yes, subject to there being multiple question marks that could swing things. Scoring depth and goaltending were our two biggest weaknesses in the playoffs last year, and both got worse on paper.

Jarnkrok is about a lateral move for replacing one of Mikheyev/Kase, but Aube-Kubel isn't an appropriate replacement for the other one, so we're probably looking internally unless something changes. Then goaltending is a big question mark, with Murray/Samsonov both playing noticeably worse than Campbell over the last few years. We also likely need to move one of Kerfoot, Holl, Muzzin, etc before the season starts, so that'll be another hit to the depth, and if it's Kerfoot, a rather large hit to our scoring depth.

The potential swings are Sandin, Liljegren, Robertson, Knies (late season), one or more of whom could exceed expectations due to their potential/age (though they could also go the other way), and the other one is goaltending (despite also being a reason we're worse on paper). Goaltending is a question mark, but Murray has been a better goalie than Campbell in the past (granted, it's becoming the distant past at this point), and Samsanov is only 25 and was considered a legit top top goalie prospect only a few years ago. Our backup goalie position last year was absolutely awful, and Campbell (despite the hot start) had at best an average season, and a poor playoffs, for an NHL starter. So despite the question marks, it's not like we need Murray/Samsonov to get to Vasilevsky level, just as a tandem to be more consistent than what we had last year.

 

[Stephen]

Kappy might be the easiest comp - mostly in the AHL at 19 and 20 with small unsuccessful cups of coffee in the bigs each year. Similar enough production as Nick but I think Nick's was slightly better.

At 21, the Leafs had a bunch of large contracts in their middle 6 winger slots like Marleau and JVR with Brown as the last top 9 winger while Babs was still enamored with Komarov and Martin and Moore despite their poor play. The team was very healthy and there wasn't much room with all the favored vets that would have to be moved off the team for Kappy to play - but Kappy was still the first callup and only played 28gms in the AHL that year and was on tbe NHL roster for most of the year. In the NHL he didn't play great but was only receiving limited 4th line minutes. Even then he had at least earned a fulltime spot ahead of Moore/Komarov/Martin by the time the playoffs rolled around. He even got Martin waived that year iirc.

I would see Nick at a similar place this year as Kappy was then, but with a less clogged roster ahead of him.

Well, looks like Nick is signed at under $800,000 for the next two seasons, so there’s no issue if he pops in 2023. Won’t trigger an RFA raise for 2024. So yeah if he gets going earlier we get two cheap years out of him. That would be a win.

 

[Stephen]

Matthew Tkachuk on picking Panthers over hometown Blues: ‘Could I have pictured myself there? Yes' - The Athletic

But it appears that it never got that far because offers from St. Louis and Carolina didn’t measure up to what Calgary eventually received from Florida. One source said the Blues’ proposal included Vladimir Tarasenko, Marco Scandella and a high draft pick; the team officially declined comment.

The Flames’ interest in Tarasenko, or lack thereof, was an issue. He has just one season left on his contract, though they traded for two players, Huberdeau and Weegar, who are also entering the final year of their deals. One could also question whether Tarasenko would have waived his no-trade clause to play in Calgary; his agent, Paul Theofanous, did not immediately return a message.

As far as Carolina, a source said that the Hurricanes put together a package that included forward Martin Necas, 23.

So did it ever get close with St. Louis?

“I don’t really know the answer to that, if I’m being honest,” Tkachuk said. “I had a handful of teams that I was interested in, and after talking to Florida more and more, I realized that that was probably the best option for me.

“They were the team that probably made the biggest push at the end, and they ended up getting a deal. It happened really fast with Florida, so I don’t even know how close anybody else really got.”

The Blues’ efforts came with a sales pitch from Robert Thomas, Tkachuk’s close friend who recently signed an eight-year, $65 million extension. The two were recently together in Boston for a golf tournament.

“I don’t think he means to pitch it, but he talked about it a lot,” Tkachuk said. “He’s a great player, and it would be cool with him. He is going to have a great rest of his career. He is one of the big parts of the future in St. Louis, and I’m sure lots of guys are going to sign in St. Louis for the chance to play with him, but I’m really excited to go to Florida. The talent they have there is really special, as well.”

I feel like Tkachuk was late joining the Florida party and that the program has peaked.