Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[stickty111]

Hoglander for Malgin?

If it actually comes to that, I would do it now but likely it won't. If your looking for a cheap but high reward option, Hoglander is a great choice

 

[Knies iT]

We definitely need another 5'9" winger. That's the solution.

 

[ToneDog]

We definitely need another 5'9" winger. That's the solution.

And a 5'9" dman that was picked up on waivers by the Sens. Captain Dubious is going to do it his way and when they win the SC cup, he is going to tell the non-believers to KHA.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Hoglander for Malgin?

It would take more than Malgin given Hoglander's age, but sure. Better than having Malgin sit unnecessarily.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

If Muzzin is out for long term (including the playoffs) are people comfortable with 39 year old Gio being on the 2nd pairing all year? That is a ton of ice time for an old guy.

Personally I don't know if that is a wise idea. I wonder if you gotta grab a Muzzin replacement possibly, even if just a stop gap for a year or two while Sandin develops and can take over 2nd pairing duties.

 

[Dreakmur]

If we were to acquire Chychrun, I think multiple moves would need to happen in order for the deal to make sense.

Muzzin on LTIR for life, trade for Chychrun.

 

[Fogelhund]

Just for kicks... It fits... barely... LOL I'm not thrilled with the forward group, and it's kind of out of order anyway... but the D is pretty good.

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Bunting, Michael
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Matthews, Auston
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Marner, Mitchell
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Robertson, Nicholas
$796,667
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Tavares, John
$11,000,000
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Nylander, William
$6,962,366
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Aston-Reese, Zach
$840,630
LW, RW
UFA - 1[/TD]
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Kämpf, David
$1,500,000
C
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Järnkrok, Calle
$2,100,000
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M-NTC
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Malgin, Denis
$750,000
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Engvall, Pierre
$2,250,000
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Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
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Murphy, Connor
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Samsonov, Ilya
$1,800,000
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RFA - 1[/TD]
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Chychrun, Jakob
$4,600,000
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Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
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Murray, Matt
$4,687,500
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M-NTC
UFA - 2[/TD]
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Giordano, Mark
$800,000
LD
UFA - 2[/TD]
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Liljegren, Timothy
$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 2[/TD]
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[Lightsol]

If Muzzin is out for long term (including the playoffs) are people comfortable with 39 year old Gio being on the 2nd pairing all year? That is a ton of ice time for an old guy.

He was on Seattle's first pairing last year before we traded for him (though it was clear that he's not that defenseman anymore), so I don't think having him on the second pairing is that big a deal, provided we give him a partner that isn't Holl.

 

[Eye Test]

Wonder what oleksiak would cost?

 

[Sebastien]

Wonder what oleksiak would cost?

Seattle isn't trading him. Nor, is he waiving

 

[cyris]

Seattle isn't trading him. Nor, is he waiving

I think he would waive for Toronto. He is from the area.
I don’t think Seattle wants to trade him and I don’t really like his contract.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Playing games with these numbers by attaching the same mode of measurement on checking/energy lines that they use on scoring lines is either disingenuous or foolish. It's almost like they are unwilling to recognize that the role for each line is different. It's a hopelessly simpleminded approach to a team sport. Attempt to apply this sort of metric across the lineup of a soccer team or a football team where roles are more specialized then we see how foolish it is.

IMO all of this advanced stats stuff started and should have mostly ended with baseball where matchups between pitchers and batters are largely (but not wholly) isolated events making comparisons between all players in all lineups mostly valid. Once it was brought over to the chaotic cauldrons of constantly switching and swapping matchups that take place during the course of games with other team sports like hockey and basketball, these sorts of measures become too complex to isolate and compare. So what they do is pretend that they're isolated when they are not.

Although more difficult I think that you can use advanced stats in hockey as long as you have context, understand sample size, how outliers are treated, what's being omitted vs whats being captured etc. I do find the more advanced regression stats are often used incorrectly and/or have huge inherent errors associated with their calcs though. However to me more numbers are always better than less lol

 

[Ziggdiezan]

He was on Seattle's first pairing last year before we traded for him (though it was clear that he's not that defenseman anymore), so I don't think having him on the second pairing is that big a deal, provided we give him a partner that isn't Holl.

About half the league could have been on Seattle's first pairing lol. But in seriousness that will have been over a year by the time playoffs come and older guys can fall off fast and suddenly. I'm not sure if he will have gas left in the tank for the playoffs if he is playing 2nd pairing matchup minutes all season long.

 

[hamzarocks]

It would take more than Malgin given Hoglander's age, but sure. Better than having Malgin sit unnecessarily.

He sits becuase he's a AAAA player

Just another Petan/Amberg type guy

NHL skills (hands passing) but not the IQ or strength to play a skilled game consistently at the NHL level

He deserves another 5-10 games but if he's not giving us 0.5 ppg at minimum we should move him out. Kerfoot was a 50 pt player with 88 and 91.

Malgin should he able to give 80% of that production

 

[Menzinger]

Show us the list of players who are what we need and also available, then.

I don't want to waste the prime years of our core.

Chychrun can play RD or LD, and sure, he isn't ideal, but he adds mobility and puck movement to our D core, and most importantly - he might actually be available and isn't a rental.

I'd love to see what he can do in a better system. In Sarnia, he wasn't just an offensive D, he played good defence too.

Though a big red flag here is he's been available for a while and no other team has bitten - which means the asking price has got to be sky high.

Like I don't really want to pay 1st + Knies + Robertson (or more) at the moment.

 

[leafsfan5]

If Ottawa falls out of the playoff race and can't re-sign Zub, he would be a great target. Only 2.5 AAV and he's 27, so still young enough that you can justify a long-term extension. Plays top-pair with Chabot, who's stylistically similar to Rielly. People have always wanted a Tanev-style partner for Rielly and I think Zub is the most realistic target.

Zub is the perfect acquisition, but I think Ottawa will do their best to re-sign him

 

[Stephen]

I wouldn't mind taking a look at Vladislav Gavrikov out of Columbus. 26, UFA, $2.8 million.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Though a big red flag here is he's been available for a while and no other team has bitten - which means the asking price has got to be sky high.

Like I don't really want to pay 1st + Knies + Robertson (or more) at the moment.

Obviously not.

 

[LeafGrief]

If Muzzin is done, then it's time to swing big and get a replacement. I'd go hard after Chychrun, but if the price is insane then we can spend our money elsewhere.

I'd move Nylander to find an adequate Muzzin replacement, even if it means trading him one place and flipping most of that package elsewhere.

 

[Amadeus]

I wouldn't mind taking a look at Vladislav Gavrikov out of Columbus. 26, UFA, $2.8 million.

Very solid D-man. I'd love to have him.

 

[SprDaVE]

If Muzzin is done, then it's time to swing big and get a replacement. I'd go hard after Chychrun, but if the price is insane then we can spend our money elsewhere.

I'd move Nylander to find an adequate Muzzin replacement, even if it means trading him one place and flipping most of that package elsewhere.

I'd wait until Liljegren is back before going all out on a replacement.

You'd have to be insane to trade Nylander right now, no offence. I don't know why that has to happen.

 

[andora]

I wouldn't mind taking a look at Vladislav Gavrikov out of Columbus. 26, UFA, $2.8 million.

Very solid D-man. I'd love to have him.

Love the player and should be a long term fixture in columbus BUT will have to see how much that gudbranson contract f***s things up

Worth phoning about regardless of how well we play

 

[TMLAM34]

I'd wait until Liljegren is back before going all out on a replacement.

You'd have to be insane to trade Nylander right now, no offence. I don't know why that has to happen.

Agreed. Nylander is right behind Matthews on my untouchable list. People may disagree but I’d rather trade Marner than Nylander.

 

[WTFMAN99]

If the cap jumps to 86.5 and Matthews signs an extension, there is a chance to really renovate the team this off-season.

I am really hoping that this is similar to last season with Marner where he had an awful start but turned it around.

 

[LeafGrief]

I'd wait until Liljegren is back before going all out on a replacement.

You'd have to be insane to trade Nylander right now, no offence. I don't know why that has to happen.

To clarify my own stance, I don't think trades ever should be made based on momentary needs. We need a Muzzin replacement for Muzzin, we're already counting on Liljegren to man the right side. It took Dubas months to identify and negotiate the Muzzin trade the first time around. I assume a similar move this year would take just as long.

There's no need to trade Nylander. But I think a Muzzin replacement, aka a #2D to give us an elite 2nd pairing, would be a worthy move. At some point the big4 experiment will end, Nylander is going to command a decent sized raise in two years, and he still has more value due to two years left on his deal. I'm a big Nylander fan, but I rate a Muzzin type player more highly than our fourth most important forward.