Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[thusk]

You'd have to replace Holl with him and that's going to be quite a controversial move.

If someone have to move out of line up, it will not be holl but sandin

 

[Fogelhund]

Imagine if we had Luke Schenn. The ironman is hitting more than anybody in the league right nezow as we speak

Imagine that..... We'd lead the league in #hitz/60, and have a poorer defense.... but the hits man... the hits.

That said, I'm ok with Mete for Schenn.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Can't see the team moving on from Kerfoot or Holl to be honest. They love those guys.

 

[Rob Brown]

I can really see a McMann-Holmberg-Anderson, 4th line soon. Those three are pesky and can chip in here and there for offence. Won’t really touch any of those three for now bc they will be very useful next season or two esp since Kerfoot and possibly Engvall will be gone.

Maybe next year, but they aren't going three rookies in the stretch drive and into the playoffs.

Pagnotta is an aggregator. He just re-posts what other people with actual sources have previously said. There's a reason Pagnotta has never been the first to report an actual move.

He literally called Tavares to Toronto the morning it happened lol.

 

[Fogelhund]

Can't see the team moving on from Kerfoot or Holl to be honest. They love those guys.

The team values these guys more than most fans do, and really for good reason. I don't think the team views them as untouchable though, if there is a true upgrade, I can see them being moved. I highly doubt Holl is moved though, if someone is going, it's Kerfoot, for a real upgrade... if available, at a reasonable price.

 

[SprDaVE]

Can't see the team moving on from Kerfoot or Holl to be honest. They love those guys.

The team values these guys more than most fans do, and really for good reason. I don't think the team views them as untouchable though, if there is a true upgrade, I can see them being moved. I highly doubt Holl is moved though, if someone is going, it's Kerfoot, for a real upgrade... if available, at a reasonable price.

There's 0 chance the Leafs displace Holl. Increased minutes, did very well when the Leafs were depleted on defense as well. He passed the test. It blows my mind people would rather play Schenn over Holl.

Keefe/Dubas do love Kerfoot so I do have a hard time seeing a trade where he's removed from the team. The only way I see him traded is if the Leafs go with a big time upgrade/player and salary needs to be moved back. If they don't need to remove salary, they will play him over ZAR and Holmberg.

 

[ShameOnYouZidlicky]

A return-to-form Ryan O'Reilly would be an amazing pick-up for this team.

It allows their centre depth to be Matthews-Tavares-O'Reilly-Kampf which could be the strongest group in the league. It also allows O'Reilly to take on 1C matchups to free up Matthews and Tavares to feast on less defensively strong centres. I think he would play well with a combination of Engvall/Kerfoot/Jarnkrok/Knies. O'Reilly also can provide better depth scoring than Kampf, who I believe is more suited for a 4C role on a stanley cup winning team.

Additionally, you could even try O'Reilly at 2 LW. I feel like he would be a great fit with Tavares/Marner.

Obviously with his injury and down year it's a huge risk, but i think adding him could win them the cup if he can elevate his game to what it's been for the past couple of years.

 

[SprDaVE]

A return-to-form Ryan O'Reilly would be an amazing pick-up for this team.

It allows their centre depth to be Matthews-Tavares-O'Reilly-Kampf which could be the strongest group in the league. It also allows O'Reilly to take on 1C matchups to free up Matthews and Tavares to feast on less defensively strong centres. I think he would play well with a combination of Engvall/Kerfoot/Jarnkrok/Knies. O'Reilly also can provide better depth scoring than Kampf, who I believe is more suited for a 4C role on a stanley cup winning team.

Additionally, you could even try O'Reilly at 2 LW. I feel like he would be a great fit with Tavares/Marner.

Obviously with his injury and down year it's a huge risk, but i think adding him could win them the cup if he can elevate his game to what it's been for the past couple of years.

ROR adds size, experience and some skill to the mid lines. Hard to argue against a ROR addition. He's not physical but has plenty of urgency in his game. Unfortunately just like with Foligno, you're paying for his name/familiarity over his current on ice contributions and current health. He's not having a great year.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Nylander
Knies/Comtois - Henrique - Perron
Engvall - Kampf - ??

Ask for some retention and it might work.

 

[ShameOnYouZidlicky]

ROR adds size, experience and some skill to the mid lines. Hard to argue against a ROR addition. He's not physical but has plenty of urgency in his game. Unfortunately just like with Foligno, you're paying for his name/familiarity over his current on ice contributions and current health. He's not having a great year.

Yes, it’s a major risk no doubt . I’m sure Dubas would be hesitant to have another Foligno experience.

 

[Judas Tavares]

I am warming to the idea of Henrique. He isn't a rental and can help in all aspects and elements of the game. My issue would come down to price as it would for many potential acquisitions. While he would be a good fit and is here for more than one run, in the end he is still a complimentary player vs. a core player. I don't feel comfortable paying a 1st + for a complimentary player.

I feel the 1st should only be dealt for a high impact rental, honestly you could count those on one hand. Meier, Horvat, Kane and I guess ROR or Tank (and I'd be nervous about these two). But let's be honest we likely would only be in on the two Blues.

Otherwise, an impact player with term like a Konecny type or Chychrun. I think if the player is just a rental and/or complimentary, you need to do what you can in terms of acquiring them with lesser assets.

 

[SprDaVE]

I am warming to the idea of Henrique. He isn't a rental and can help in all aspects and elements of the game. My issue would come down to price as it would for many potential acquisitions. While he would be a good fit and is here for more than one run, in the end he is still a complimentary player vs. a core player. I don't feel comfortable paying a 1st + for a complimentary player.

I feel the 1st should only be dealt for a high impact rental, honestly you could count those on one hand. Meier, Horvat, Kane and I guess ROR or Tank (and I'd be nervous about these two). But let's be honest we likely would only be in on the two Blues.

Otherwise, an impact player with term like a Konecny type or Chychrun. I think if the player is just a rental and/or complimentary, you need to do what you can in terms of acquiring them with lesser assets.

The issue with Henrique is that his salary going into next year is pretty high. Salary retention would fix that and I don't think the Ducks will care about a ~2.5M dead cap space scenario for next season so it might not matter that much but every time you ask to retain that much salary for a full season, the value tends to sky rocket, especially since Henrique has been pretty good for them for the most part.

I'm not sure the Ducks would give him up for a cheap price with 50% retention. It will cost a 1st round pick and probably a prospect.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I am warming to the idea of Henrique. He isn't a rental and can help in all aspects and elements of the game. My issue would come down to price as it would for many potential acquisitions. While he would be a good fit and is here for more than one run, in the end he is still a complimentary player vs. a core player. I don't feel comfortable paying a 1st + for a complimentary player.

I feel the 1st should only be dealt for a high impact rental, honestly you could count those on one hand. Meier, Horvat, Kane and I guess ROR or Tank (and I'd be nervous about these two). But let's be honest we likely would only be in on the two Blues.

Otherwise, an impact player with term like a Konecny type or Chychrun. I think if the player is just a rental and/or complimentary, you need to do what you can in terms of acquiring them with lesser assets.

The only way Henrique makes sense is at double retention IMO. Getting him at 1.75 next year would give us a lot of breathing room next year. I’ve brought up this trade before but Henrique in at 1.75 for picks lets us trade Kerfoot at 50% ourselves, cap is a wash this year and we get a cheap 3C upgrade next year. If we can get a 2nd for Kerfoot + small add, that would make moving a 1st for Henrique palatable. Best case scenario it’s either a 2024 1st or conditional on rounds won.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I could see picking up Schenn at the deadline if the cost was reasonable - say a 4th or a spare D like Mete or Benn.

Use him for the balance of the season in games where hitting is all that matters, and Sandin when skill is needed. Sandin is still only 22 - he can be full time next year.

 

[BayStBullies]

I could see picking up Schenn at the deadline if the cost was reasonable - say a 4th or a spare D like Mete or Benn.

Use him for the balance of the season in games where hitting is all that matters, and Sandin when skill is needed. Sandin is still only 22 - he can be full time next year.

Seems like a Bogosian type add, which I'd love

 

[Torontonian]

Horvat talk, Leafs want to add, Wings weighing, and more — The Fourth Period

David Pagnotta touches on Bo Horvat rumblings, Toronto looking to trade, Detroit’s contract talks, and much more.

www.thefourthperiod.com

A ROR+Barbashev add to the 2nd and 3rd line would be a high quality pick up, I’d imagine the price would Be 1st+3rd+decent prospect to get them to want to bite retaining on both.

If the route is upgrading the 2nd and 3rd line at the deadline, I think that’s the best option, adding a dman isn’t going to push us over the top.

 

[sylejman]

Even with a down year Ryan Orielly is still a very good player. Every time we play st. Louis he's notifcable in a positive way. He's also pretty good at going against other elite centers in the nhl.

 

[dangomon]

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Even with a down year Ryan Orielly is still a very good player. Every time we play st. Louis he's notifcable in a positive way. He's also pretty good at going against other elite centers in the nhl.

I wouldn't guage players on how they play against the Leafs. If we used this logic Josh Anderson would be the best player in the NHL.

 

[ACC1224]

Even with a down year Ryan Orielly is still a very good player. Every time we play st. Louis he's notifcable in a positive way. He's also pretty good at going against other elite centers in the nhl.

Is the italics a quote from someone?
If so, who?

 

[LeafSteel]

Horvat talk, Leafs want to add, Wings weighing, and more — The Fourth Period

David Pagnotta touches on Bo Horvat rumblings, Toronto looking to trade, Detroit’s contract talks, and much more.

www.thefourthperiod.com

A ROR+Barbashev add to the 2nd and 3rd line would be a high quality pick up, I’d imagine the price would Be 1st+3rd+decent prospect to get them to want to bite retaining on both.

If the route is upgrading the 2nd and 3rd line at the deadline, I think that’s the best option, adding a dman isn’t going to push us over the top.

Aren’t they both UFA’s after this season?

 

[Fogelhund]

Aren’t they both UFA’s after this season?

They are.

 

[Peace Frog]

The more I think about it, the more I wonder why Dubas should need to get a winger for the 2nd line. We have plenty of highly paid players who should be able to produce… especially when it matters most. It’s time for the big 4 to get it done!

What might be a big help, is upgrading the 3rd line. Getting a center who can drive that line and at least one winger who can provide some offence and some aggressive forechecking and physicality. That could do wonders for the overall effectiveness of our forward units.

Not saying anything that hasn’t already been said by lots of other posters. It’s just that I think I’m on board with this train of thought now. Now if we end up getting Meier, I’m not going to be disappointed. Lol

 

[stickty111]

Maybe next year, but they aren't going three rookies in the stretch drive and into the playoffs.


He literally called Tavares to Toronto the morning it happened lol.

Pagnotta isn't perfect but he's better than most. In a way, I like him more than Dreger. Pagnotta puts rumors in a sensible way, where Dreger just does rumor mongering

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

If someone have to move out of line up, it will not be holl but sandin

If we're playing Schenn over a much better defensemen in Sandin I would say Dubas and Keefe have lost the plot and probably should be replaced.

I'm all for adding a tough hard hitting defensemen if they can handle a top 4 role and not hurt our puck movement (Peeke). I'm not giving up assets and sitting Sandin to play Schenn who is getting caved in in sheltered minutes on a bad team.

I could see picking up Schenn at the deadline if the cost was reasonable - say a 4th or a spare D like Mete or Benn.

Use him for the balance of the season in games where hitting is all that matters, and Sandin when skill is needed. Sandin is still only 22 - he can be full time next year.

Sandin needs to play now. He's earned a spot in the top 6 and we need he and Liljegren to start playing playoff games. All of the recent cup winning teams had young D playing big minutes at times and a lot of them had similar profiles to our guys.

 

[Torontonian]

Aren’t they both UFA’s after this season?

They are, but ROR is a high end rental, I’m just assuming that to get them to retain 50% on both and with ROR being a high end rental, it’s gonna be a 1st and a B prospect for him.