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Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

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In his last interview Dubas says he wants to see what he has before making a move.
He has had more than enough time to fugure out what he has. He built this team FFS.
How is sitting out robertson going to see what he is capable of. You cant play the kid two games then sit him for 5 and expect him to succeed. If you arent willing to let him play, make mistakes like everyone else then trade him for another need.

Trade for Kane
Drop willy to run third line that will produce offense if the other lines dry up in the playoffs.

You cant win in the playoffs with any of these players on the third line and expect
Offense
Kerfoot engvall kampf janrok zar malgin
Holmberg simmonds clifford

Bunting matthews kane
Robertson tavares marner
Knies xxx willy
4th line zar kampf janrok
Extras

Reilly brodie
Gio lilly
Benn xxx


Use 1st, prospects from marlies, kerfoot engval holl sandin to bring in
Kane
3rd line centre
4/5 dman with size and bite
 
ToneDog said:
At this point, with the stick boy in charge it would most likely be putting lipstick on a pig. Hoping they have a drop dead date for deciding whether to extend Dubas or not and it is not at the end of the season/playoffs.

I mean what else is there for them to see ??
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I've already given up on seeing him canned this year.

The organization as a whole has no balls.
 
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LeafSteel said:
The thread was talking about moving out Kerfoot and our need for a 3C and a 2LW. I stated the opinion that this situation would have been avoided by keeping McCann.
The rest is just Dekes not being able to let anything go that he doesn't agree with, as per the usual.
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The thread was talking about filling roles that if Kerfoot isn't considered to adequately fill, neither would McCann.
Then you decided, out of nowhere, to rehash a years-old debate that you knew was controversial, and say things about it that were incorrect.
The only thing I did was point out and explain how the hindsight path you suggested wouldn't even really solve anything being discussed and would have left us in a worse position overall.
You're the one that kept replying to me (mainly to badmouth me in retaliation)...
 
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LEAFS - WILD
Jacob Middleton & Jordan Greenway
for
Rasmus Sandin, Nick Robertson, Alex Kerfoot & 2024 2nd

LEAFS - PREDATORS
Tanner Jeannot
for
Topi Niemela, Pierre Engvall & 1st

Greenway - Matthews - Marner
Knies - - - Tavares - - - Nylander
Jeannot - - Jarnkrok - - Bunting
AstonReese - Kampf - Malgin

Rielly - - Liljegren
Middleton - Brodie
Giordano - Holl/Benn
 
Dekes For Days said:
The thread was talking about filling roles that if Kerfoot isn't considered to adequately fill, neither would McCann.
Then you decided, out of nowhere, to rehash a years-old debate that you knew was controversial, and say things about it that were incorrect.
The only thing I did was point out and explain how the hindsight path you suggested wouldn't even really solve anything being discussed and would have left us in a worse position overall.
You're the one that kept replying to me (mainly to badmouth me in retaliation)...
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We disagree, as I expected from the outset. Moving on now. Happy Friday. :)
 
Dreakmur said:
Kampf is an excellent 3rd line center.

You’re talking about adding a top-6 center and dropping them on our 3rd line.
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He doesn't score enough to be an excellent 3rd line center and we need scoring in the bottom 6 so I couldn't care less if they play in the top 6 for somebody else
They won't be for us but we will be better instead of getting a defenseman that doesn't exist on the market
 
TML4EVR said:
Think he would do well as as 2LW, I've always been a Jost fan from his junior days
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He looked good as a Junior for sure, but he's a $2 mil cap hit, for a guy who's best season in the last six years is 26 points. He's looking like a 20 point forward going forward. That's not an answer to anything we are looking for. A shame though, as he did look like he'd have promise, but we need to move past what his promise once was, and what he actually became, which isn't much.
 
Dreakmur said:
Kampf is an excellent 3rd line center.

You’re talking about adding a top-6 center and dropping them on our 3rd line.
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Kampf is an excellent 4th line C.

If you go by players listed as C in the NHL, and assume that a number aren't really C's... maybe go with top 35 scoring "listed" C's as 1st line C production, 36-70, and 71-105...

You get 42-30 points, for C's in the 71-105 range... Even at the 61-90 range, is 45-33 points... so pretty close no matter how you want to define that.

Last year was Kampf's career year at 26 points... If he keeps up his current pace, he hit's 32 points.... So kind of excellent 4th line C production, really low end 3C production.

If we don't have other higher priority spots to fill, it would be great to grab someone in that higher end range.

If that's the range we are looking at, some names that could be available IMO, would include;

Henrique (retained), RoR (If he'd extend at a reasonable amount, not St. Louis is on a 5 game winning streak... so a bit early for them)..it's hard to find a guy who would be a good 3C, on a team that is struggling... funny enough, most don't have what you'd look for.
 
Amadeus said:
He's what you currently have right now. He's an ordinary player who doesn't specialize in defending or offense. He'll be a waste of a spot.
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Our guys are at least good defensively.

Just need to figure out how to put more pucks in the net.
 
Leafs bigger problem in the post season has been scoring during must win games.rather than defending leads. I'd rather bring in a guy to the top 9 who can help contribute to that gwg in game 6/7 than a top 4 D. Not to mention the forward market seems way less competitive right now than the D men one. Could get better bang for your buck return in terms of trade assets here

Stephen said:
I'd lock Kampf up to a reasonable deal and just have that stability lower in the lineup.
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Im hoping they can get him on like a 7 year deal that keeps the aav as low as possible. Very low risk investment since his main contribution is defensive.
 
This team doesn't have a forward with an offensive bone in the bottom 6. Guys like Engvall, Jarnkrok, Kampf, ZAR need a map in the offensively.

The "big 4" aren't going to cut it, Leafs desperately need a scoring threat in the bottom six to spread some offense around. How some people still can't see this is mind numbing. Forward group is predictable and too easy to play against at 5v5.
 
TheShape said:
This team doesn't have a forward with an offensive bone in the bottom 6. Guys like Engvall, Jarnkrok, Kampf, ZAR need a map in the offensively.

The "big 4" aren't going to cut it, Leafs desperately need a scoring threat in the bottom six to spread some offense around. How some people still can't see this is mind numbing. Forward group is predictable and too easy to play against at 5v5.
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Be curious to sit in on the scouting, skills development meetings and understand what it is that the Leafs look for in their forwards. Between that big brain Jack Han thinking (who is no longer a Leaf staff but tends to be put out a lot of material for public consumption) and skills development of a Darryl Belfry, why do they seem to gravitate towards those buzzy, technically skilled guys who seem to usually have no scoring touch.
 
Fogelhund said:
Kampf is an excellent 4th line C.

If you go by players listed as C in the NHL, and assume that a number aren't really C's... maybe go with top 35 scoring "listed" C's as 1st line C production, 36-70, and 71-105...

You get 42-30 points, for C's in the 71-105 range... Even at the 61-90 range, is 45-33 points... so pretty close no matter how you want to define that.

Last year was Kampf's career year at 26 points... If he keeps up his current pace, he hit's 32 points.... So kind of excellent 4th line C production, really low end 3C production.

If we don't have other higher priority spots to fill, it would be great to grab someone in that higher end range.

If that's the range we are looking at, some names that could be available IMO, would include;

Henrique (retained), RoR (If he'd extend at a reasonable amount, not St. Louis is on a 5 game winning streak... so a bit early for them)..it's hard to find a guy who would be a good 3C, on a team that is struggling... funny enough, most don't have what you'd look for.
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They list a lot of guys as Cs that don't play C. 3Cs put up like 35 points, usually with some on the PP, and most aren't close to Kampf defensively. Adding a guy who scores 10 more points, but is way worse defensively is a downgrade....

Not saying we can't upgrade him, or that we shouldn't try, but it's not an area of true need.
 
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