Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[thusk]

Especially considering we'll be paying out the nose for past success. Chicago is going to want then value to at least somewhat reflect that he's a former Hart/Conn Smyth winner, and has generally been one of the top forwards in the game for the past 15 years.

He's on pace for like ~57 points. Pretty sure we could trade for a younger better rounded player with that type of offence, and give up less to do it.

And had 92 last year

2 main player kane played last

Debrincat
Strome 16 goal 54pts pace
Last year 26 goal 57 pts pace

Debrincat last year 41 goal 78 pts
This season pace 28 goal 68 points

This season main teammane

Domi last season 13 goal 44 points pace
This season 22 goal 60 pts pace

Anasthasiou is the only one with worst stats with kane ampunt player playing with him at least 35% of the time

Physicality also included sacrificing your body to make a play. In the playoffs, it’s an absolute must. My the picture in my avatar is worth a thousand words.
If you want to play like that, you cannot, and should not, win.

Its just working hard, you dont need to be physical to get it done you doing it by blocking shot, taking an hit to make a play, its put pressure on forecheck..and thats kind of thing leafs did last year against tampa... they didn't lost because of it but because lack of secondary scoring and goaltending issues

 

[Jozay]

His play and health this year would reflect the price of acquisition. If they are asking for a lot then you walk away. The whole point is getting him while his value is really low.

There's probably a few forwards before Kane to even consider but it could be a worth while gamble to get an elite offensive player having a rough season for many different reasons.

Kane kind of feels like a worst case scenario. The hip thing defintely looks real. Id be weary of him, even if his value is low.

 

[ULF_55]

Kane kind of feels like a worst case scenario. The hip thing defintely looks real. Id be weary of him, even if his value is low.

Watched him a couple weeks ago and he was floating offensive side of the ice, waiting for the puck, and would only really come alive once it was on the O-Zone.

He made one defensive play last night, on an issue he created.

I can see a huge motivation issue for Toews and Kane being on a team that doesn't want to win.

At least he'd be rested for the stretch run, if healthy.

 

[LBloor]

Not sure why Kane would be someone the Leafs want.

I heard rumours he needs hip surgery, has this been proven true or un true?

Friedman says the Leafs are looking for forwards with Snarl and Physicality.

Also says that the Leafs know that Tampa is a very skilled team, but also play like a bunch of "a$&holes" lmao. Interesting to hear that. Pretty much echoes my sentiments.

Friedman says that the Leafs know they missing that "Snarl" that Tampa has

Only took them what 6 seaosns to figure that out lol

 

[ACC1224]

Watched him a couple weeks ago and he was floating offensive side of the ice, waiting for the puck, and would only really come alive once it was on the O-Zone.

He made one defensive play last night, on an issue he created.

I can see a huge motivation issue for Toews and Kane being on a team that doesn't want to win.

At least he'd be rested for the stretch run, if healthy.

It would have been nice to see Toews play to get a sense of what's there.
Kane certainly didn't look like he was trying to get Dubas to make a pitch for him with his effort last night.
I was intrigued by the thought of bringing him in but now it looks like an easy pass.

 

[VanW27]

Clifford is a tough guy that can skate fast, but cant play hockey worth a damn.
Watson can take a regular 3rd line shift for us. ...but, yea, he can take some questionable penalties, but, he forces people to have their heads on a swivel when he is out there.

He plays 10:09 a night on a garbage Ottawa team - and we're going give him 3rd line minutes?

 

[SprDaVE]

Kane kind of feels like a worst case scenario. The hip thing defintely looks real. Id be weary of him, even if his value is low.

He skated just fine and had some good plays. Definitely looked checked out though, almost like he's playing with a team looking to finish last.

I heard rumours he needs hip surgery, has this been proven true or un true?


Only took them what 6 seaosns to figure that out lol

He said he feels better than he did last year so doesn't seem true. He could be lying I guess? He wouldn't be playing if he did... he has zero reasons to play injured. He's a pending UFA and still has a couple more years at the very least.

Also, they added a bunch of snarl and physicality over the last 6 years. Let's not pretend they didn't. The biggest reason they haven't had post-season success is lack of scoring, especially from their star players.

 

[thusk]

Watched him a couple weeks ago and he was floating offensive side of the ice, waiting for the puck, and would only really come alive once it was on the O-Zone.

He made one defensive play last night, on an issue he created.

I can see a huge motivation issue for Toews and Kane being on a team that doesn't want to win.

At least he'd be rested for the stretch run, if healthy.

Exactly...everyone who watch that game just saw how trash hawks are... i watched this game 1st 30 minutes and i stop to have any kind of motivation to watch it until the end... Imagine a player who played in this team 82 game/season, yes probably motivation will not be pretty high to come on the arena and still giving everything you have ...

And its the only reason why he start to think about leaving chicago... if chicago still competitive unstead of doing everything they can to be as worst of possible for Bedard.... by trading debrincat, dach, hagel and let strome left the team ...

I just dont know how an human can be motivate to play in that team right now, outside of a young player who have a shot to earn an NHL spot

 

[ULF_55]

Only took them what 6 seaosns to figure that out lol

I'm sure they've known all along, but that doesn't stop a reporter from talking about it today.

Foligno wasn't acquired to be Kerfoot.

 

[Kurtz]

Especially considering we'll be paying out the nose for past success. Chicago is going to want then value to at least somewhat reflect that he's a former Hart/Conn Smyth winner, and has generally been one of the top forwards in the game for the past 15 years.

He's on pace for like ~57 points. Pretty sure we could trade for a younger better rounded player with that type of offence, and give up less to do it.

This seems to be a common misconception here and maybe the reason for the anti-Kane sentiment.

There won't be a bidding war for him - he'll choose a place and Chi will get what they can. His price will be similar to Taylor Hall - a 2nd and a marginal player or prospect (ie Engval).

Off course Meier would be a much better get, but we're talking Knies, 1st + for Meier.

 

[OVO16]

Guys like Auston Watson doesn't move the needle for me. We dont need 4th-line noted tough guys.

What the Leafs are missing, are players who play a nasty game but also have the speed/tenacity aspect of it and offensive upside.

Those are the type of players Tampa continues to get, hence why they're such a hard team to play against and have won multiple Cups. (Coleman, Goodrow, Haegl, Paul, Perry, etc...)

For this year, those versions of players I see available are Bertuzzi, Barbashev, Lafferty, Domi ?, Greenway? Comtois? Acciari?

Guys like Simmonds/Clifford/Watson are just too one dimensional

 

[WTFMAN99]

Top 4 defensive defenseman
3C that can provide offense
Top 6 LW that can provide offense
Maybe a bottom 6 player that can be a more consistent physical presence.

The shopping list grows by the month, not enough was this in the off-season.

 

[Jojalu]

Everybody wants ROR
Didnt we learn from foligno
ROR coming off injury to foot

Broken bones are different than a nagging back issue.

He should come back 100%.

I am more concerned about whatever is ailing Kane. That looks like an injury that won't go away on it's own

 

[OVO16]

Clifford is a tough guy that can skate fast, but cant play hockey worth a damn.
Watson can take a regular 3rd line shift for us. ...but, yea, he can take some questionable penalties, but, he forces people to have their heads on a swivel when he is out there.

Watson is currently scratched with the Senators. Hard pass. Leafs need physical and tenacious players who can move up and down the lineup.

If we can grab 2 out of this group (Meir, Bertuzzi, Barbashev, Domie, Lafferty, Greenway, Jeannot, Comtois).....would go a long way against Tampa I think

 

[LeafSteel]

Honestly, I do not understand why Kane is someone we would think about, and I don't need yesterday's pitiful display to come to that conclusion.

This team came very close to beating Tampa last season, and we are a better team than last season. Kane is washed and he brings too many question marks for the Leafs to take any risks. Dubas has no margin for error, nor should we be taking this kind of risk for what Kane has previously done vs what he can do now. It simply isn't good enough and the fact that the NYR didn't even bother with him should be relevant here.

This is our time, and if we are going to do it, do it with someone who has no question marks, and Kane is FULL of them. Simply put, we can't #uck this up.

Want the home run? Go for Meier, and hope that Pridham and the gang can figure out a way to keep Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Meier. Taking Meier, giving up a butt-load of picks, prospects, and players for him, and then losing Nylander because you can't sign them all is NOT progress nor is it helping us challenge for years to come.

As sexy as Meier would look (he would be incredible), I don't want to blow our brains out to get him and lose some very significant pieces in the process, and there is no doubt whoever gets him will have to overpay to do it.

I am all aboard the Comtois train from Anaheim. Big player who needs a change, can finish and is trending in the right direction, while also not shredding our depth to get him and still leaves us room and cap to bring in more depth for our Top 6, be it from St. Louis or a bundle package to get Adam Henrique.

I think we should feel pretty comfortable with our Defence and it's depth. Benn plays playoff hockey, and is a viable option if Sandin struggles. Holl is fine in the Top 6 and Timmins is deserving more ice time to show what he can do. If there is a chance to improve our D with someone like Peeke then I'm good with it, but throwing assets at sexy names like Gavrikov and McCabe just doesn't get us there, and they don't improve us enough to merit the cost it take to get them.

We are in a very strong position to go beyond anything we've done in the playoffs the last 6 years. Why we would want to "add" to our team a player with a bunch of serious question marks like Kane is just beyond me. If we really want to bring in someone who is a mystery package, I would look at ROR way before Kane. At least ROR, if he is playing the way he can, brings us a player who is more versatile, knows how to defend, and fill multiple holes for us in our lineup.

Honestly, I think we would be very stupid to bring in Kane and expect him to be a difference maker. It's just not what we need and would be an extremely underwhelming acquisition that leaves us going into the playoffs with more questions than we already have now.........

 

[SprDaVE]

Honestly, I do not understand why Kane is someone we would think about, and I don't need yesterday's pitiful display to come to that conclusion.

This team came very close to beating Tampa last season, and we are a better team than last season. Kane is washed and he brings too many question marks for the Leafs to take any risks. Dubas has no margin for error, nor should we be taking this kind of risk for what Kane has previously done vs what he can do now. It simply isn't good enough and the fact that the NYR didn't even bother with him should be relevant here.

This is our time, and if we are going to do it, do it with someone who has no question marks, and Kane is FULL of them. Simply put, we can't #uck this up.

Want the home run? Go for Meier, and hope that Pridham and the gang can figure out a way to keep Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Meier. Taking Meier, giving up a butt-load of picks, prospects, and players for him, and then losing Nylander because you can't sign them all is NOT progress nor is it helping us challenge for years to come.

As sexy as Meier would look (he would be incredible), I don't want to blow our brains out to get him and lose some very significant pieces in the process, and there is no doubt whoever gets him will have to overpay to do it.

I am all aboard the Comtois train from Anaheim. Big player who needs a change, can finish and is trending in the right direction, while also not shredding our depth to get him and still leaves us room and cap to bring in more depth for our Top 6, be it from St. Louis or a bundle package to get Adam Henrique.

I think we should feel pretty comfortable with our Defence and it's depth. Benn plays playoff hockey, and is a viable option if Sandin struggles. Holl is fine in the Top 6 and Timmins is deserving more ice time to show what he can do. If there is a chance to improve our D with someone like Peeke then I'm good with it, but throwing assets at sexy names like Gavrikov and McCabe just doesn't get us there, and they don't improve us enough to merit the cost it take to get them.

We are in a very strong position to go beyond anything we've done in the playoffs the last 6 years. Why we would want to "add" to our team a player with a bunch of serious question marks like Kane is just beyond me. If we really want to bring in someone who is a mystery package, I would look at ROR way before Kane. At least ROR, if he is playing the way he can, brings us a player who is more versatile, knows how to defend, and fill multiple holes for us in our lineup.

Honestly, I think we would be very stupid to bring in Kane and expect him to be a difference maker. It's just not what we need and would be an extremely underwhelming acquisition that leaves us going into the playoffs than more questions than we already have now.........

You talk about this is our time and they can't screw this up. And your best solution is to trade for.... Maxime Comtois.

 

[Torontonian]

You guys really want another useless player like Watson or another 4th line player that doesn’t move the needle for us.

 

[Jojalu]

Honestly, I do not understand why Kane is someone we would think about, and I don't need yesterday's pitiful display to come to that conclusion.

This team came very close to beating Tampa last season, and we are a better team than last season. Kane is washed and he brings too many question marks for the Leafs to take any risks. Dubas has no margin for error, nor should we be taking this kind of risk for what Kane has previously done vs what he can do now. It simply isn't good enough and the fact that the NYR didn't even bother with him should be relevant here.

This is our time, and if we are going to do it, do it with someone who has no question marks, and Kane is FULL of them. Simply put, we can't #uck this up.

Want the home run? Go for Meier, and hope that Pridham and the gang can figure out a way to keep Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Meier. Taking Meier, giving up a butt-load of picks, prospects, and players for him, and then losing Nylander because you can't sign them all is NOT progress nor is it helping us challenge for years to come.

As sexy as Meier would look (he would be incredible), I don't want to blow our brains out to get him and lose some very significant pieces in the process, and there is no doubt whoever gets him will have to overpay to do it.

I am all aboard the Comtois train from Anaheim. Big player who needs a change, can finish and is trending in the right direction, while also not shredding our depth to get him and still leaves us room and cap to bring in more depth for our Top 6, be it from St. Louis or a bundle package to get Adam Henrique.

I think we should feel pretty comfortable with our Defence and it's depth. Benn plays playoff hockey, and is a viable option if Sandin struggles. Holl is fine in the Top 6 and Timmins is deserving more ice time to show what he can do. If there is a chance to improve our D with someone like Peeke then I'm good with it, but throwing assets at sexy names like Gavrikov and McCabe just doesn't get us there, and they don't improve us enough to merit the cost it take to get them.

We are in a very strong position to go beyond anything we've done in the playoffs the last 6 years. Why we would want to "add" to our team a player with a bunch of serious question marks like Kane is just beyond me. If we really want to bring in someone who is a mystery package, I would look at ROR way before Kane. At least ROR, if he is playing the way he can, brings us a player who is more versatile, knows how to defend, and fill multiple holes for us in our lineup.

Honestly, I think we would be very stupid to bring in Kane and expect him to be a difference maker. It's just not what we need and would be an extremely underwhelming acquisition that leaves us going into the playoffs than more questions than we already have now.........

The one arguement I would make for Kane is that even at 80%, he is the exact guy that could score a huge goal.

I think about game 5 and 6 against Montreal. Game 6 against Tampa.

A gamebreaker who has experience in the big moments and had success in such moments.

If Kane could give the Leafs 2 goals per series it might be the difference of going golfing or moving on

 

[LeafSteel]

You talk about this is our time and they can't screw this up. And your best solution is to trade for.... Maxime Comtois.

No, I said Comtois with an additional forward added, and a potential addition as long as it is an upgrade on Defence.

I also did say my ideal is Meier, but concerned with cost and losing one of our core players like Nylander because of the Cap making us unable to re-sign them all.

I find it amusing the benefit of the doubt people are willing to give a 34 year old "is he injured Kane"(ooh he needs a change of scenery, let's see what he can do in Toronto and he gives a crap again...) but we aren't prepared to consider what a change of scenery can do for a player like Comtois, who at least doesn't have the injury question mark hanging over his head that Kane does.

I have no interest in pegging our hopes on what Kane has done previously and hoping the bunch of "IF's" that he comes with break our way. Been there, done that, didn't like it, and it didn't work for us.

 

[Judas Tavares]

Regarding Kane and O'Reilly, both have their pros and cons as well as similar concerns. For me it comes down to price. If you have to pay top dollar, then it is not worth it. If you can get them for a bargain, why not?

Needing that one extra goal at a crucial time and needing that extra gear in crunch are elements this team has lacked in recent series. Kane and ROR provide both, while Kane likely gives you more offence and ROR would provide better two-way play. I think both would help provide extra elements.

I'd lean towards ROR, but it again depends on price.

I'm much more hesitant to spend top assets on the "Muzzin replacement". With the two forwards, it's buyer beware in terms of age/injury/place in career. For the defencemen it is buyer beware for me in terms of will they make that much of a difference? Guys like McCabe and Gavrikov would be upgrades, but by how much? And is that potential little bit of upgrade worth the steep price?

I think it would take a lot more for the Muzzin replacement to give the team bang for the buck vs. even slightly broken down Kane or ROR.

 

[ACC1224]

The one arguement I would make for Kane is that even at 80%, he is the exact guy that could score a huge goal.

I think about game 5 and 6 against Montreal. Game 6 against Tampa.

A gamebreaker who has experience in the big moments and had success in such moments.

If Kane could give the Leafs 2 goals per series it might be the difference of going golfing or moving on

Yep it could, no doubt particularly on the PP.
Hypothetically they bring him in, which PP does he join?

 

[Jozay]

He skated just fine and had some good plays. Definitely looked checked out though, almost like he's playing with a team looking to finish last.

He didnt show much last night at all.

Regardless, he'd be a worst case scenario for the Leafs.

 

[Jojalu]

Yep it could, no doubt particularly on the PP.
Hypothetically they bring him in, which PP does he join?

Great question.

Would they put him on PP1 and drop Nylander down?

I honestly don't know

 

[SprDaVE]

No, I said Comtois with an additional forward added, and a potential addition as long as it is an upgrade on Defence.

You wrote that you're all in for Comtois and the Leafs can't acquire players with questions marks. I see Comtois as a forward on pace for 11 goals and 20 points, being awful defensively and has a track record of disappearing. He has a lot of question marks. A lot. Kane at least gives you elite levels of offence while being awful defensively.

I like Comtois as a buy low option, don't get me wrong, but it's really weird to see how much narratives change based on our biases here.

 

[ACC1224]

Great question.

Would they put him on PP1 and drop Nylander down?

I honestly don't know

That would be the likeliest choice but I don't think it would be the right one.