Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[BertCorbeau]

honestly they kinda suck and will be inconsequential. Henrique has like 20 pts in 60 odd games in the playoffs.

Meh acquisitions at best imo. Does give us better bottom 6 depth though.

That's the a big thing for me - more depth with some offensive capability in the bottom 6 .. as much as the Leafs need more physicality they could also use some offensive game down the middle.

Henrique would fit well, doesn't cost as much as bigger names, and is signed through next year. He's a nice little bandaid until the Tavares deal is close to expiring that gives the Leafs a chance to restructure things.

Still need some physical wingers. But Henrique would be the upgrade over Kerfoot to me.

 

[showtime8]

Paraykos game has fallen off the last few seasons. I was a huge fan of getting him 2/3 years ago. Right now i am a little worried with his cap hit and current game.

Wonder how much of that is his play and how much of it is losing Pietrangelo and thinking he was the guy that needed to step up his game. Probably a bit of column A and a bit of column B.

 

[Fogelhund]

honestly they kinda suck and will be inconsequential. Henrique has like 20 pts in 60 odd games in the playoffs.

Meh acquisitions at best imo. Does give us better bottom 6 depth though.

You must be thinking of someone else. He was 5th for the NJD in scoring in the 2012 playoffs, low scoring team, second season in the NHL. He didn't score any points in for the Ducks in four games, in 2018... but then the Ducks only scored FOUR goals in the series. 11 points for Canada in 2021 at the World Championships. He hasn't played nearly 60 games in the playoffs... 27, and it's been a while since he played with a decent team. He'd be a decent depth acquisition...

 

[Fogelhund]

Wonder how much of that is his play and how much of it is losing Pietrangelo and thinking he was the guy that needed to step up his game. Probably a bit of column A and a bit of column B.

A bit of Pietrangelo, more of losing Bouwmeester, who at the time was an effective shut down D. He's also had some back injury issues, and his skating isn't as good as it once was either. His best usage, would be a second pairing guy, with someone like Muzzin/Tanev/Gavrikov/Manson as his partner. I don't think he's a good fit here.

 

[ER89]

His play has fallen off a cliff over the past 2 seasons though.

The Parayko from 2-3 years ago, definitely - agreed. Right now there are some Blues fans are wondering what they would have to include to sweeten the pot to dump his contract.

He needs a Muzzin type beside him to be successful.

interesting. Admittedly I did not know that.

I don't catch blues games but mostly highlights. What do you think he'd cost? I'd imagine sticking him with brodie would be solid no?

What? Adam Henrique Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Are you thinking of Nyquist?

oops sorry - yes I was huge brain fart.

That's the a big thing for me - more depth with some offensive capability in the bottom 6 .. as much as the Leafs need more physicality they could also use some offensive game down the middle.

Henrique would fit well, doesn't cost as much as bigger names, and is signed through next year. He's a nice little bandaid until the Tavares deal is close to expiring that gives the Leafs a chance to restructure things.

Still need some physical wingers. But Henrique would be the upgrade over Kerfoot to me.

For sure - my bad, as I suggest earlier I was thinking of nyquist, not henrique.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Henrique is definitely a more cost-effective target than Toews. If he’s available, that’s a solid 3C

 

[Fogelhund]

interesting. Admittedly I did not know that.

I don't catch blues games but mostly highlights. What do you think he'd cost? I'd imagine sticking him with brodie would be solid no?

A player who's game has declined, has had back problems, needs a shutdown babysitter, who puts up less than 30 points (as an offensive D) and has a cap hit of $6.5 mil to the end of the 29/30 season? I might wonder what they are paying us to take him? I'd say absolutely not.

 

[Amadeus]

So Parayko may be available. This is honestly the perfect acquisition. RHD, Big, physical, good puck handler, big shot, Signed long term at a reasonable cap.
Come on Dubas, you can do this.

Buchnevich (1.5 million retained)and Parayko.

2023 first round pick
2024 first round pick
Sandin
Kerfoot
Niemela

Bunting Matthews Nylander
Buchnevich Tavares Marner
Engvall Kampf Jarnkrok
ZAR Holmberg (Steeves, Anderson, Simmonds)

Rielly Parayko
Brodie Lilly
Giordano Holl
Timmins

He's had a crap year (Parayko) and his price should reflect that. I like Buch but that's overpayment.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Parayko needs a shut down guy, to help him up... Rielly and him would likely be a defensive disaster. St. Louis fans talk about him needing a change of scenery, and that he hasn't been the same since losing his shutdown partner. He used to be a sought after guy, but his game has really slipped, even since this player card. Ironically, if you had a "Muzzin" in the lineup, he'd be a good partner for Jake.

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He's big... and isn't bad in front of his own net, but that's about where it ends. Despite his size, he isn't a defensive, or shut down D, that people associate with that size.

Why did you share a player card that shows him as a 22nd percentile offensive guy who's 79th percentile in defense and describes him as a 2nd pairing defensive defenseman if you think he's the exact opposite kind of player?

 

[The Podium]

man paryako is so good - i am a HUGE parayko fan - on par with willy.

If we can trade for him id do it. Probably means kerfoot has to go for peanuts but w.e.

I'd imagine itd take a first +knies+niemala if that's even enough.

Was so good, not so much anymore.

He’s almost in cap dump territory at this point.

 

[thusk]

Hitting is part of physicality. Let's not make up stuff. It's probably the only statistic related to physicality.

But if you want to make the argument he's physical but doesn't hit, go ahead, but you'd still be wrong that he's a physical defenseman. He is not. I don't even have to look at a single statistics to say this.

Also not sure why you're bringing Rielly into this. He's not physical at all either... Not sure what the point of that was. You're bringing up some defensemen that are not physical at all and yes, less than Rielly. Josi and Carlson in particular are defensemen everyone would consider soft if they played here but just because they are not micro watched like a Leafs player is, they make up things that are just not true.

Most of the time high number of hit hide a lack of hockey QI or defensive weakness. The fact sandin having twice of hedman hit/60 doean't make sandin a more physical D

Physicality is more about winning 1v1 battle... a good physical D will choose his moment and not trying to hit every time...

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Brodie - Parayko - top end shutdown pair
Rielly - Liljgren - offensive zone mins, and lesser matchups..let Rielly loose
Gio - Holl - Insulation and steady pair, keep the mins down on the above.

Depending on the night/ deployment...any pair could play most mins

 

[Fogelhund]

Why did you share a player card that shows him as a 22nd percentile offensive guy who's 79th percentile in defense and describes him as a 2nd pairing defensive defenseman if you think he's the exact opposite kind of player?

Results often show on ice results, that are dependent on partners too... that's an old card... two years ago... I can't find a newer one.

 

[ULF_55]

Most of the time high number of hit hide a lack of hockey QI or defensive weakness. The fact sandin having twice of hedman hit/60 doean't make sandin a more physical D

Physicality is more about winning 1v1 battle... a good physical D will choose his moment and not trying to hit every time...

This is another negative post about a Leafs player.

I don't think anyone is surprised.

6 worst defenseman on the Habs

 

[SprDaVE]

Most of the time high number of hit hide a lack of hockey QI or defensive weakness. The fact sandin having twice of hedman hit/60 doean't make sandin a more physical D

Physicality is more about winning 1v1 battle... a good physical D will choose his moment and not trying to hit every time...

Hedman has never been much of a physical defenseman though. He has the puck a lot so his hits totals are lower, but that doesn't mean he's all that physical either. He's very much someone that defends with his attributes (skill, skating) over being physical along the boards or infront of the net. He's fantastic, so it's not a negative at all either.

Sandin is definitely physical in his own right. He'll crunch people. You picked the wrong player to compare him to.

To go back to the original point, Parayko is not physical at all. He's just a big guy that moves well and has skill. That's it, that's all. Now we can move the goal posts about physicality all we want and bring in every player in the NHL but I was responding to the point that Parayko is physical when he's just not, and that's ok.

 

[IPS]

Was so good, not so much anymore.

He’s almost in cap dump territory at this point.

Lol I don't know how many of these comments I read about Lindholm last year before Boston acquired him.

I'll confess that I haven't watched much of Parayko this year, but I bet he's still perfectly fine.

 

[Americanadian]

Results often show on ice results, that are dependent on partners too... that's an old card... two years ago... I can't find a newer one.

Different criteria but a newer card:

 

[Fogelhund]

Different criteria but a newer card:

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Thanks

 

[SprDaVE]

Different criteria but a newer card:

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Reminds me a lot of the Phaneuf fanfare just before the Leafs acquired him

 

[Leaffan1991]

Most of the time high number of hit hide a lack of hockey QI or defensive weakness. The fact sandin having twice of hedman hit/60 doean't make sandin a more physical D

Physicality is more about winning 1v1 battle... a good physical D will choose his moment and not trying to hit every time...

To me it's being able to clear the front of the net, most our d struggle with that aspect.

 

[Burnie97]

I know alot aren't big on Pagnotta but just throwing this down for trade talk.

Not a bad price for Schenn ( not sure what the + would be) but I don't feel it's a huge need either compared to a LW

 

[TheDoldrums]

Different criteria but a newer card:

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Oh my, I hadn't seen "league min" as market value on any of these before

 

[Americanadian]

Reminds me a lot of the Phaneuf fanfare just before the Leafs acquired him

I just went back to look at Phaneuf's numbers/cap hit from the trade. It's crazy to me that Phaneuf's AAV when he was traded in 2010 was the same as Parayko's now. The cap has risen 45% since that trade.

 

[Byron Bitz]

I just went back to look at Phaneuf's numbers/cap hit from the trade. It's crazy to me that Phaneuf's AAV when he was traded in 2010 was the same as Parayko's now. The cap has risen 45% since that trade.

Pretty sure Phaneuf was a Norris finalist when he signed that deal

 

[Dragao6]

Parayko needs a shut down guy, to help him up... Rielly and him would likely be a defensive disaster. St. Louis fans talk about him needing a change of scenery, and that he hasn't been the same since losing his shutdown partner. He used to be a sought after guy, but his game has really slipped, even since this player card. Ironically, if you had a "Muzzin" in the lineup, he'd be a good partner for Jake.

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Brodie/Giordano - Parayko???