Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[OVO16]

If Minnesota is actually having a Firesale...the Leafs need to be all over that. Number of players that make sense

Marcus Foligno
Jordan Greenway
Ryan Hartman
Jacob Middleton

 

[thusk]

But would you bet your TDL on him at $6M per year? Do you just believe its possible, or are you actually convinced he would force his way onto the Leafs right side and push someone out of the current top 6? I believe he might have more game than he has shown in Vancouver but I wouldn't take him on for 2 years to see if it might come back. The second year is the killer.

Like i said in my 1st post at 6M, no... with salary retain at 3 to 4.5M ... yes...

 

[thusk]

Adding barbashev and Lafferty would really change our dynamic in the bottom 6. Loads of speed, physicality and offensive upside.

Bunting - Mathews - Nylander
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Marner
Engvall - Lafferty - Barbashev
ZAR - Kampf - Knies

Sure barbashev 3 goal 6 assists in 50 playoff game will give more offensive than kerfoot 4 goal 12 assist in 37 playoff game

 

[OVO16]

Sure barbashev 3 goal 6 assists in 50 playoff game will give more offensive than kerfoot 4 goal 12 assist in 37 playoff game

He did have 60 points last year. Higher potential there over Kerfoot. Not to mention more speed and physicality.

 

[ULF_55]

I'm no scout but even I've watched Myers enough to know he isn't very good

I also know he's making 6M

I don't understand why we'd even be interested in him, which makes me doubt it's true

So where would you fit him into the Leafs line-up?

And do you think every Leafs defender could play 21 minutes a night on the Canucks, and several other teams?

I'm not saying he's good, I'm asking where he'd fit.

If the answer is every Leafs defender is better then why in the world are posters here clamoring for Schenn? Who is much lower in the Canucks depth chart?

Or perhaps it is about "bringing Schenn home" so he can eat popcorn in the Leafs box?

Perhaps it is all about cost? Schenn can be waived out of existence, other than the contract count.

At 50% retention, Myers would be $3mm next year on the Cap.

I'd like some clarity on retention, this is from CapFriendly, but my guess the actual CBA has details on retention.
This does mention bonus, but only in that the retention cannot exceed 50 of salary (including all bonuses). But the actual retention only says "retain a part of their salary (and cap hit)".

What is a retained salary transaction/trade​

When a team trades a player, they have the option to retain a part of their salary (and cap hit). The team who retains the salary then pays the retained percentage of the salary, and also retains the percentage of the cap hit until the contract expires. The following requirements must be met to retain salary:

1. The percentage retained cannot exceed 50 percent of the player’s salary (including all bonuses) and Salary Cap Hit.
2. The same percentage must be retained for both the player’s salary and Salary Cap Hit, and cannot be modified.
3. All teams are limited to a maximum of 3 retained salary contracts per season.
4. Teams cannot retain an aggregate amount of more than 15 percent of the Salary Cap Upper Limit.
5. Players’ contracts are limited to 2 retained salary transactions per contract.

 

[Metroid]

I think no leaf in fan wants Myers. Probably the only thing other than winning a cup we all fans of different mind sets can agree on... Right?!

 

[thusk]

He did have 60 points last year. Higher potential there over Kerfoot. Not to mention more speed and physicality.

You want player who will produce on regular season or on playoff?

 

[Leafed]

From The Athletic's Cam Charron, on why Schenn would not be a fit in the Leaf's system

 

[nuck]

From The Athletic's Cam Charron, on why Schenn would not be a fit in the Leaf's system


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Judging where Benn is at on the chart I am guessing this has more to do with Canucks coaching and gameplay rather than pure ability. Boudreau and Keefe are not similar coaches. Cam's cherry picking a stat with no context aside, the Leafs really need a Schenn who plays the left side, skates better, and can play higher up the lineup. They have no opening for a right shot 4-5 guy, that spot is well covered. But if Timmins, Benn and Holl all get injured tonight sign me up

 

[Kiwi]

So where would you fit him into the Leafs line-up?

And do you think every Leafs defender could play 21 minutes a night on the Canucks, and several other teams?

I'm not saying he's good, I'm asking where he'd fit.

If the answer is every Leafs defender is better then why in the world are posters here clamoring for Schenn? Who is much lower in the Canucks depth chart?

Or perhaps it is about "bringing Schenn home" so he can eat popcorn in the Leafs box?

Perhaps it is all about cost? Schenn can be waived out of existence, other than the contract count.

At 50% retention, Myers would be $3mm next year on the Cap.

I'd like some clarity on retention, this is from CapFriendly, but my guess the actual CBA has details on retention.
This does mention bonus, but only in that the retention cannot exceed 50 of salary (including all bonuses). But the actual retention only says "retain a part of their salary (and cap hit)".

What is a retained salary transaction/trade​

When a team trades a player, they have the option to retain a part of their salary (and cap hit). The team who retains the salary then pays the retained percentage of the salary, and also retains the percentage of the cap hit until the contract expires. The following requirements must be met to retain salary:

1. The percentage retained cannot exceed 50 percent of the player’s salary (including all bonuses) and Salary Cap Hit.
2. The same percentage must be retained for both the player’s salary and Salary Cap Hit, and cannot be modified.
3. All teams are limited to a maximum of 3 retained salary contracts per season.
4. Teams cannot retain an aggregate amount of more than 15 percent of the Salary Cap Upper Limit.
5. Players’ contracts are limited to 2 retained salary transactions per contract.

I have serious doubts he's better than Timmins, our current #7D

It doesn't matter how much you play if you're struggling to keep your head above water

People love Schenn because he used to play for us and he's more physical than a lot of the other guys we have, he's also worse than at least 7 guys already on our roster
He's a waste of assets to aquire imo

I wouldn't want Myers at 3M, I think I can come up with better ways of spending that money and we already have Brodie, Liljegren and Timmins on RD for next season

 

[OVO16]

You want player who will produce on regular season or on playoff?

 

[BertCorbeau]

Can't see Barbashev getting as much as Tank did

 

[BertCorbeau]

If Minnesota is actually having a Firesale...the Leafs need to be all over that. Number of players that make sense

Marcus Foligno
Jordan Greenway
Ryan Hartman
Jacob Middleton

Are there rumours of them selling? They're on the bubble right now in a spot

 

[ULF_55]

Can't see Barbashev getting as much as Tank did

Have the Blues officially thrown in the towell?

Tarasenko was gone for sure. He'd previously asked to be moved.

Perhaps still some thought Barbashev might re-sign?

Then again, Barbashev has had one productive season?

Career wise, he's a little better than Engvall in production, but he'd had an anomaly season last year, whereas Engvall has not.

 

[ULF_55]

I have serious doubts he's better than Timmins, our current #7D

It doesn't matter how much you play if you're struggling to keep your head above water

People love Schenn because he used to play for us and he's more physical than a lot of the other guys we have, he's also worse than at least 7 guys already on our roster
He's a waste of assets to aquire imo

I wouldn't want Myers at 3M, I think I can come up with better ways of spending that money and we already have Brodie, Liljegren and Timmins on RD for next season

If true, Timmins in a trade should bring back a top 6 forward.

He's young, his under a great contract that leads to RFA status.

 

[thusk]

Im not telling he cant be an upgrade ... im saying removing kerfoot to put barbashev in the line up dont improve the team

 

[BertCorbeau]

Im not telling he cant be an upgrade ... im saying removing kerfoot to put barbashev in the line up dont improve the team

He would add more physicality and a bit more size in the top 9

 

[Kiwi]

If true, Timmins in a trade should bring back a top 6 forward.

He's young, his under a great contract that leads to RFA status.

Doubt it, he's a talented young player but he's going to need to prove he can stay injury free over a decent stretch of games and continue to improve to be worth a good top 6 forward

I don't think the red flags that hurt his value have been alleviated yet

 

[thusk]

He would add more physicality and a bit more size in the top 9

But removing secondary scoring... what is the most important thing, hitting more or scoring more?

Put barbashev in and anderson out, youre improving youre team, not with barbashev unstead of kerfoot, youre not improving anything at all

 

[ULF_55]

Doubt it, he's a talented young player but he's going to need to prove he can stay injury free over a decent stretch of games and continue to improve to be worth a good top 6 forward

I don't think the red flags that hurt his value have been alleviated yet

I find this inconsistent though.

If Timmins, on a great controlled contract, expiring to RFA status, capable of being a 20 minute game defender on an NHL team isn't worth a top 6 forward?

 

[BertCorbeau]

But removing secondary scoring... what is the most important thing, hitting more or scoring more?

Put barbashev in and anderson out, youre improving youre team, not with barbashev unstead of kerfoot, youre not improving anything at all

I don't think you're downgrading the offense that much to make a noticeable difference .. besides a change of scenery can do a lot.

Hyman went 5 playoff runs with the Leafs to not do much, not much different than Barbashev .. they he explodes in Edmonton.

The Leafs' top 9 needs more of that physicality which can do a lot of positive things for the group.

 

[Gallagbi]

So where would you fit him into the Leafs line-up?

And do you think every Leafs defender could play 21 minutes a night on the Canucks, and several other teams?

I'm not saying he's good, I'm asking where he'd fit.

If the answer is every Leafs defender is better then why in the world are posters here clamoring for Schenn? Who is much lower in the Canucks depth chart?

Or perhaps it is about "bringing Schenn home" so he can eat popcorn in the Leafs box?

Perhaps it is all about cost? Schenn can be waived out of existence, other than the contract count.

At 50% retention, Myers would be $3mm next year on the Cap.

I'd like some clarity on retention, this is from CapFriendly, but my guess the actual CBA has details on retention.
This does mention bonus, but only in that the retention cannot exceed 50 of salary (including all bonuses). But the actual retention only says "retain a part of their salary (and cap hit)".

What is a retained salary transaction/trade​

When a team trades a player, they have the option to retain a part of their salary (and cap hit). The team who retains the salary then pays the retained percentage of the salary, and also retains the percentage of the cap hit until the contract expires. The following requirements must be met to retain salary:

1. The percentage retained cannot exceed 50 percent of the player’s salary (including all bonuses) and Salary Cap Hit.
2. The same percentage must be retained for both the player’s salary and Salary Cap Hit, and cannot be modified.
3. All teams are limited to a maximum of 3 retained salary contracts per season.
4. Teams cannot retain an aggregate amount of more than 15 percent of the Salary Cap Upper Limit.
5. Players’ contracts are limited to 2 retained salary transactions per contract.

The 20+ minute question is a good one because i cant think of a current D that would struggle more than him with those minutes.

I find this inconsistent though.

If Timmins, on a great controlled contract, expiring to RFA status, capable of being a 20 minute game defender on an NHL team isn't worth a top 6 forward?

Who do you think Myers replaces?

Hed fill a similar role to Holl or Lilj here, likely a little more sheltered than Holl at 3-4x the price. He could be a slight upgrade, or downgrade, i just dont see the point personally.

Timmins plays a much different role than Myers

 

[Morgs]

I find this inconsistent though.

If Timmins, on a great controlled contract, expiring to RFA status, capable of being a 20 minute game defender on an NHL team isn't worth a top 6 forward?

Just because one coach believed Myers was worth 20+ minutes doesn't mean he was. I mean, he's been absolutely caved in those minutes with one of the worst defensive impacts in the league per Dom's model. Can he handle bottom pairing minutes and not be a liability? Probably. Is that worth 3M cap at 50% retention and having to pay an asset? f*** no.

Nobody is saying that Timmins is capable of putting up 20 mins/night and succeeding, but you need to think about the role he's playing and actually playing extremely well in. Myers has been a bad defenseman since he was drafted and teams keep believing in him because he's massive. He'd be #8 on most people's depth chart because although he's a fine player in an extremely limited role, we have two outright dominant ones in limited roles in Sandin and Timmins alreadtly that we have the ability to shelter with 5 guys Keefe has full trust in.

 

[thusk]

I don't think you're downgrading the offense that much to make a noticeable difference .. besides a change of scenery can do a lot.

Hyman went 5 playoff runs with the Leafs to not do much, not much different than Barbashev .. they he explodes in Edmonton.

The Leafs' top 9 needs more of that physicality which can do a lot of positive things for the group.

Noticeable difference?!?!?!

Get out a player who already have a chemistry with their teammate and system for a player whos not better offensivly with only 1 season in Carreer over 40 points paceq but who will bring like 13 supplemental hit but nothing else more...you will need to explain me where thats should make a noticeable difference...

 

[Fogelhund]

RoR off IR