Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[DarkKnight]

This is an extremely irrational reaction…

Actually it’s completely rational if you’ve seen him play or have a basic understanding of what the Marlies offer right know. Give me a break Steeves is an answer, we’re doomed if anyone actually thinks that’s a prudent course right now. Go get some bodies Dubas, and I suspect he does.

 

[The Podium]

Actually it’s completely rational if you’ve seen him play or have a basic understanding of what the Marlies offer right know. Give me a break Steeves is an answer, we’re doomed if anyone actually thinks that’s a prudent course right now. Go get some bodies Dubas, and I suspect he does.

He obviously will make deals at the deadline… that’s why this is irrational. Let the kid play a few games.

 

[DarkKnight]

You are getting worked up, about a nothing call up. It's the middle of a long season. We have 13 forwards on the roster right now. So, either Anderson, or Steeves gets in. Neither are the answer IMO... but both are getting paid extra by being on the Leafs (A nice reward), and getting to showcase what they have. With a fully healthy roster, neither would be there now... and we are likely to bring on Knies and whomever else we trade for... so relax, these guys are well away from the lineup in the playoffs, or playing the Bruins. Have some perspective on this... everyone gets a shot, no matter what. Matthews is out, Robertson is out... McMann would get a playoff shot first... But realize, injuries in the playoffs do happen, so you've got to give people a look to know what you have at the NHL level.... for this year (hopefully not), for next year... and for asset management... Maybe someone else wants to see Steeves for trade purposes. Seriously, NOBODY, thinks this is a roster spot for the playoffs tryout.... To continue down such a road is laughable.



Some panic after every loss... but I'd guess it's more the bye week, no games, no news. Yes, the trade too... People are wild, no patience at all.

Umm, it’s Dubas saying we need to see what we have first internally, it isn’t a “nothing” call up, it’s the apparent philosophy of the GM. If he doesn’t make some moves, he deserves to get canned. Steeves is a joke solution.

He obviously will make deals at the deadline… that’s why this is irrational. Let the kid play a few games.

That’s not what Dubas said though, so listening to his words is irrational now, smh.

You’re reading into this way too much

I’m just listening to my GM. He’s thinking long term and won’t mortgage the future and wants to see what the Marlies can do first. As an aside, what don’t we read into too much around here lol?

 

[ULF_55]

There's no way Edmonton retains 1.5M of salary. They have less cap space than us. If they retain salary, the price to acquire will be a lot higher too.

They'll find a way to get him to a new team. I think he'll get claimed on waivers if they go that route.

Yeah, they're looking for Cap Space, I doubt they're doing it to get him going ...

If he doesn't get claimed they might have to pay someone to take him, and let's face it everyone knows why the Oilers are doing this.

My guess no one wanted him as part of any deal for that defender.

Unless Puljujarvi asked to be set free?

 

[Americanadian]

Guys wanting Henrique, imagine your contender trades for Bozak in 17-18.

Not a bad player, but boring.

Except Henrique is a significantly better goal scorer who doesn’t need to play PP. Henrique has 29 EVG over the last 2 season (109 GP). Bozak had 8 EVG in 81 GP in 2017/18. For context: Henrique has 0.27 EVG/GP over the last 2 seasons, Horvat has 0.3 EVG/GP over the same time frame.

Edit: Henrique has scored at a 26 goal pace over the last 6 seasons and he's at a 31 goal pace this season.

 

[SprDaVE]

Umm, it’s Dubas saying we need to see what we have first internally, it isn’t a “nothing” call up, it’s the apparent philosophy of the GM. If he doesn’t make some moves, he deserves to get canned. Steeves is a joke solution.


That’s not what Dubas said though, so listening to his words is irrational now, smh.

You're actually getting worked up about Dubas saying he wants to look at their internal depth at the NHL level. He didn't say he was going to put the season on Steeves or whoever they were going to call-up. And he said many times they are looking at improving the team.

This isn't only good for Steeves, this is good for his value and this is good for the Leafs to evaluate a few of their depth options.

It's a little ridiculous how badly some people get worked up when Dubas says nothing to the media but it still gets twisted into silly negative stuff like this.

 

[Leafed]

 

[DarkKnight]

You're actually getting worked up about Dubas saying he wants to look at their internal depth at the NHL level. He didn't say he wasn't going to put the season on Steeves or whoever they were going to call-up. What he says to the media is nothing to what they actually do or say internally. And he said many times they are looking at improving the team.

This isn't only good for Steeves, this is good for his value and this is good for the Leafs to evaluate a few of their depth options.

It's a little ridiculous how badly some people get worked up when Dubas says nothing to the media but it still gets twisted into silly negative stuff like this.

I think it’s hilarious people just ignore what he said. Have it at, he better make some depth moves, this team needs a couple pieces and it’s a legit cup caliber team.

 

[Fogelhund]

I've watched a fair amount of Oilers games, and you have to pay attention to know he's playing.

I think someone will claim him, we aren't talking any large committment here not a large amount of real money.

Claim, retain, trade?

Someone is likely to claim him. They’ve probably floated a trade, and nobody wanted to pay assets for him. He’s a decent claim for a rebuilding team who can take a chance though. Not for a contending team like us though.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Umm, it’s Dubas saying we need to see what we have first internally, it isn’t a “nothing” call up, it’s the apparent philosophy of the GM. If he doesn’t make some moves, he deserves to get canned. Steeves is a joke solution.


That’s not what Dubas said though, so listening to his words is irrational now, smh.


I’m just listening to my GM. He’s thinking long term and won’t mortgage the future and wants to see what the Marlies can do first. As an aside, what don’t we read into too much around here lol?

Lol, it seems just like posturing to the media so that he doesn’t show his hand. They’re clearly shopping around to see what’s available but they’re in no duress to make a move right now.

Telling the media you’re actively looking for help doesn’t help any leverage.

They been doing this for nearly all season, testing their depth. Anderson, Homberg, Robertson, Mete, Kral, and now Steeves/Woll getting looks when the opportunities come.

Part of it could also be a showcase for NHL teams as well to see if that ups his value as a trade chip. I don’t know if he’s waiver exempt next year which is a factor.

 

[Americanadian]

Someone is likely to claim him. They’ve probably floated a trade, and nobody wanted to pay assets for him. He’s a decent claim for a rebuilding team who can take a chance though. Not for a contending team like us though.

I'm guessing Carolina, maybe Columbus.

 

[DarkKnight]

Lol, it seems just like posturing to the media so that he doesn’t show his hand. They’re clearly shopping around to see what’s available but they’re in no duress to make a move right now.

Telling the media you’re actively looking for help doesn’t help any leverage.

They been doing this for nearly all season, testing their depth. Anderson, Homberg, Robertson, Mete, Kral, and now Steeves/Woll getting looks when the opportunities come.

Part of it could also be a showcase for NHL teams as well to see if that ups his value as a trade chip. I don’t know if he’s waiver exempt next year which is a factor.

This is what I’m hoping, he’s posturing to the media.

 

[The Podium]

Umm, it’s Dubas saying we need to see what we have first internally, it isn’t a “nothing” call up, it’s the apparent philosophy of the GM. If he doesn’t make some moves, he deserves to get canned. Steeves is a joke solution.


That’s not what Dubas said though, so listening to his words is irrational now, smh.


I’m just listening to my GM. He’s thinking long term and won’t mortgage the future and wants to see what the Marlies can do first. As an aside, what don’t we read into too much around here lol?

He said he wants to get a look at internal options. That doesn’t mean he isn’t going to make deals. He said he won’t mortgage the future for rentals, frankly I agree. I don’t think ROR or Patrick Kane are worth 1sts right now. I’d rather them target a guy with term that can help over multiple runs.

Look how effective Hagel is this season vs last. If Tampa made that deal with Hagel as a rental, big mistake. Because of the term they got an effective player signed multiple years.

 

[ULF_55]

You're actually getting worked up about Dubas saying he wants to look at their internal depth at the NHL level. He didn't say he was going to put the season on Steeves or whoever they were going to call-up. And he said many times they are looking at improving the team.

This isn't only good for Steeves, this is good for his value and this is good for the Leafs to evaluate a few of their depth options.

It's a little ridiculous how badly some people get worked up when Dubas says nothing to the media but it still gets twisted into silly negative stuff like this.

Steeves is 2nd. leading scorer on Marlies, is under contract next year, and then is RFA.

He's a Leafs asset.

Probably will get 10 minutes in a game or two.

Getting worked up about this?

Common Sense. Trades

 

[The Podium]

The funniest thing is to see people panik to see leafs trying their young AHLer like steeves who cant be even closer to be NHL ready because they tought they are too weak for playoff matchup but at the same time... thing knies who came from NCAA will come in and being able to have a impact against boston or tampa... its just hilarious. Knies is a good prospect but hes not an elite one like makar or mcavoy or caufield or whatever who was able to start at the end of season/playoff and get an impact.

The reality is player like steeves, anderson, SDA, abrusseze, mcmann are probably closer to be NHL ready than knies right now but for the only fact knies is big, OMG he become instantly just so good

Matthew Knies is certainly in that McAvoy, Caufield territory. He is absolutely dominant at the NCAA level.

 

[DarkKnight]

He said he wants to get a look at internal options. That doesn’t mean he isn’t going to make deals. He said he won’t mortgage the future for rentals, frankly I agree. I don’t think ROR or Patrick Kane are worth 1sts right now. I’d rather them target a guy with term that can help over multiple runs.

Look how effective Hagel is this season vs last. If Tampa made that deal with Hagel as a rental, big mistake. Because of the term they got an effective player signed multiple years.

We already know the internal options, he’s called up many guys this season. I just hope he’s playing poker, he’s never really done much of that in the past, frankly he says too much to the media, but maybe he’s learned.

Anyways, enough of getting swarmed on here, let’s see how it pans out. Lots of time, I’m just convinced we need forward help or we won’t make it. Defence I’m okay with, ditto goaltending I guess, but we need to augment up front.

 

[SprDaVE]

Steeves is 2nd. leading scorer on Marlies, is under contract next year, and then is RFA.

He's a Leafs asset.

Probably will get 10 minutes in a game or two.

Getting worked up about this?

Common Sense. Trades

He's been one of their best forwards in the last few weeks while the Marlies are an AHL contender. He hasn't had the best of seasons but he's been much better lately.

He has a lot of Hyman level attributes. That's why a lot of people loved him last season in his short stint. I don't think he'll make the Leafs think about anything before the deadline but it'll be a nice audition for him.

 

[Mess]

The New York Rangers are not going to be an easy out in this years playoffs ..

They've got a fairly stacked and balanced team front to back and the Tarasenko addition and trade just adds more offense.

 

[kb]

The time to give these guys a spin is Sept training camp and the early days of the season in Oct/Nov. You know, like we did with Holmberg. Not 3 weeks before the deadline. Even if a guy comes in hot, there is zero reason to believe he would stay hot. Guys shoot out of a cannon all the time and slowly trail off.







Nobody is saying not to try Steeves but it shouldn't, but any stretch, preclude you from making a move to upgrade. At best it shows he can be a callup in the playoffs should injuries hit.

This managements been paralyzed in making a bold move. The Foligno trade really did a number on them.

What do you learn by evaluating in Sept/Oct and consider that a valid method of learning about them? That's just nuts.

Anyone remember Denis Malgin?

 

[The Podium]

The New York Rangers are not going to be an easy out in this years playoffs ..

They've got a fairly stacked and balanced team front to back and the Tarasenko addition and trade just adds more offense.

The Rangers are probably the best bet to come out of the Metro.

 

[ULF_55]

He's been one of their best forwards in the last few weeks while the Marlies are an AHL contender. He hasn't had the best of seasons but he's been much better lately.

He has a lot of Hyman level attributes. That's why a lot of people loved him last season in his short stint. I don't think he'll make the Leafs think about anything before the deadline but it'll be a nice audition for him.

Hyman got 16 games around the same age. Actually a few months older.

 

[Sypher04]

I’m just convinced we need forward help or we won’t make it. Defence I’m okay with, ditto goaltending I guess, but we need to augment up front.

I don’t personally think this is a matter even up for debate. We need 1, maybe even 2, legit scoring threats inserted into the bottom 6 of this team.

 

[kb]

You're actually getting worked up about Dubas saying he wants to look at their internal depth at the NHL level. He didn't say he was going to put the season on Steeves or whoever they were going to call-up. And he said many times they are looking at improving the team.

This isn't only good for Steeves, this is good for his value and this is good for the Leafs to evaluate a few of their depth options.

It's a little ridiculous how badly some people get worked up when Dubas says nothing to the media but it still gets twisted into silly negative stuff like this.

It's the same posters, same narrative, same bat channel.

 

[TMLAM34]

Nothing wrong with giving Steeves a look. We’re basically a lock to play Tampa in the first round and we have no chance of catching Boston in the standings.

Who knows, maybe Steeves looks good and is actually used in a package at the deadline for an upgrade. 2024 2nd + Steeves for Bertuzzi?

 

[Sypher04]

Matthew Knies is certainly in that McAvoy, Caufield territory. He is absolutely dominant at the NCAA level.

There are 3 players better than a 99? I’d like to know who those are lol