Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[dubplatepressure]

Matthew Knies is certainly in that McAvoy, Caufield territory. He is absolutely dominant at the NCAA level.

So was Jimmy Vesey. FWIW Caufield's final year of big-10 hockey he was 1.66 PPG compared to Knies' 1.07. And Caufield improved his offensive production by +44% Y1 to Y2 whereas Knies' production has been flat.

 

[Mess]

This is what I’m hoping, he’s posturing to the media.

or

Every time Dubas picks up the phone and inquires about an impact player the opposing GM responds with Matthew Knies or Leafs 1st in 2024 or both.

So that might be forcing Leafs hand into thinking smaller moves, and as a result might as well see what you have in house first to see if you can fill those depth roles.

 

[ULF_55]

What do you learn by evaluating in Sept/Oct and consider that a valid method of learning about them? That's just nuts.

Anyone remember Denis Malgin?

No but I remember Stuart Percy.

 

[kb]

So was Jimmy Vesey. FWIW Caufield's final year of big-10 hockey he was 1.66 PPG compared to Knies' 1.07. And Caufield improved his offensive production by +44% Y1 to Y2 whereas Knies' production has been flat.

So? You really seem to have a real need to denigrate him for some reason.

Perhaps you are the one who is wrong?

 

[The Podium]

There are 3 players better than a 99? I’d like to know who those are lol

For sure:
Seamus Casey
Lane Hutson
Sean Farrell

It does specifically say forwards though and Snuggerud and Cooley are actually ranked lower than Knies overall.

So was Jimmy Vesey. FWIW Caufield's final year of big-10 hockey he was 1.66 PPG compared to Knies' 1.07. And Caufield improved his offensive production by +44% Y1 to Y2 whereas Knies' production has been flat.

Offense isn’t the only way to measure a players effectiveness

 

[dubplatepressure]

So? You really seem to have a real need to denigrate him for some reason.

Perhaps you are the one who is wrong/

Again - I think I'm a realist. I look at Knies and I think he's a very good prospect - but nothing more. He benefits from playing with Cooley - the former 3rd OA pick in the draft - who's exceptionally talented, and Snuggarud, who's also very skilled. Both former 1sts, both vastly out producing him.

 

[horner]

So was Jimmy Vesey. FWIW Caufield's final year of big-10 hockey he was 1.66 PPG compared to Knies' 1.07. And Caufield improved his offensive production by +44% Y1 to Y2 whereas Knies' production has been flat.

They are different players

Caufield is a goal scorer and he probably had more shots on goal.

Knies is a physical power forward that scores in tight.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Offense isn’t the only way to measure a players effectiveness

I'm all ears. Again I'm not saying he's ineffective - I'm saying he's not a blue chip prospect, that's all. Expecting him to walk into a top-6 role here this year is a big stretch.

 

[LeafSteel]

Again - I think I'm a realist. I look at Knies and I think he's a very good prospect - but nothing more. He benefits from playing with Cooley - the former 3rd OA pick in the draft - who's exceptionally talented, and Snuggarud, who's also very skilled. Both former 1sts, both vastly out producing him.

So, a good player who plays with other good players who are also good?

Considering he can swap out playing with Snuggarud and Cooley to potentially play with any of Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares, I'm enthusiastic about what he could potentially deliver as those guys are pretty good players too.

We don't need Knies to be all world. We need him to be a power foward who brings hustle, physicality, and finish, and not be a liability on the ice.

There is reason to be optimistic on Knies and what he can bring to our Team.

 

[The Podium]

I'm all ears. Again I'm not saying he's ineffective - I'm saying he's not a blue chip prospect, that's all. Expecting him to walk into a top-6 role here this year is a big stretch.

Knies might be the worst offensively of the 3 but he is getting the best overall results. His transition game in the best in the league and defensively he’s been good, while Cooley is cheating a bit.

We don’t need him to step in and be an allstar, we just need an effective grinder who can get the puck to Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares.

 

[X66]

Matthew Knies is certainly in that McAvoy, Caufield territory. He is absolutely dominant at the NCAA level.

He's not IMO, Caufield was shattering records and playing at a goal a game.

I'd still love to see what he can do with us though, I've always been a fan of the mystery box.

 

[dubplatepressure]

So, a good player who plays with other good players who are also good?

Considering he can swap out playing with Snuggarud and Cooley to potentially play with any of Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares, I'm enthusiastic about what he could potentially deliver as those guys are pretty good players too.

We don't need Knies to be all world. We need him to be a power foward who brings hustle, physicality, and finish, and not be a liability on the ice.

There is reason to be optimistic on Knies and what he can bring to our Team.

I agree

 

[ULF_55]

or

Every time Dubas picks up the phone and inquires about an impact player the opposing GM responds with Matthew Knies or Leafs 1st in 2024 or both.

So that might be forcing Leafs hand into thinking smaller moves, and as a result might as well see what you have in house first to see if you can fill those depth roles.

Well, you'd expect teams to want the best return.
Dubas want to pay the least.

When you are a top 5 team in the league, any advantage is good.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Knies might be the worst offensively of the 3 but he is getting the best overall results. His transition game in the best in the league and defensively he’s been good, while Cooley is cheating a bit.

We don’t need him to step in and be an allstar, we just need an effective grinder who can get the puck to Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares.

I agree - we don' need him to be an all star. This is great to see. Do you have anything that accounts for more games? Looks like these just cover the first ~15 GP.

 

[The Podium]

I agree - we don' need him to be an all star. This is great to see. Do you have anything that accounts for more games? Looks like these just cover the first ~15 GP.

Unfortunately no, it’s hard to find guys who track NCAA stats this in depth without paying for it.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Again - I think I'm a realist. I look at Knies and I think he's a very good prospect - but nothing more. He benefits from playing with Cooley - the former 3rd OA pick in the draft - who's exceptionally talented, and Snuggarud, who's also very skilled. Both former 1sts, both vastly out producing him.

I'm having a hard time understanding why Knies linemates are such a benefit to him when his production was similar last year without them, as you've said.

 

[dubplatepressure]

I'm having a hard time understanding why Knies linemates are such a benefit to him when his production was similar last year without them, as you've said.

Or conversely why it hasn’t improved with them? Good questions

 

[Mess]

Hyman got 16 games around the same age. Actually a few months older.

People forget Zach Hyman was a finalist for the Hobey Baker and one of the highest scoring players in the NCAA in his time coming out of college. The previously undrafted Alex Steeves is not his comparable its Matthew Knies.

Florida Panthers Prospect F Zach Hyman Named a Finalist for Hobey Baker Award​

March 19, 2015

SUNRISE, Fla. – The Hobey Baker Award Committee announced today that Panthers prospect F Zach Hyman was named a finalist for the 2015 Hobey Baker Award.

Hyman, 22, is one of ten finalists for the award given annually to the top NCAA Division 1 men’s ice hockey player in the nation. A senior forward for the University of Michigan, Hyman has appeared in 148 games with the Wolverines (2011-2015) recording 32 goals and 52 assists.

The Toronto, Ontario native leads the Big Ten in scoring with 49 points (19-30— 49) and is one point away from becoming the first University of Michigan player to reach 50 points in a single season since Carl Hagelin, who had 50 points (19-31—50) during the 2009-10 season. Hyman ranks No. 4 in the nation, with a scoring average of 1.44 points per game and is second in the Big Ten with a plus-21 rating.

Florida Panthers Prospect F Zach Hyman Named a Finalist for Hobey Baker Award

 

[ULF_55]

Knies didn't play with the same players last year.
He didn't need Cooley and Snuggerud last year.
His goal scoring rate has increased this year.
I haven't read anyone suggest he's going to be a key player for the Leafs in this year's playoffs.

Every player has to be a key player?
Come on!

 

[SprDaVE]

Knies didn't play with the same players last year.
He didn't need Cooley and Snuggerud last year.
His goal scoring rate has increased this year.
I haven't read anyone suggest he's going to be a key player for the Leafs in this year's playoffs.

Every player has to be a key player?
Come on!

He's a blue chip future asset that will likely have an impact in the next year or so. People always go to one extreme to the other to fit their narrative. "He's not a savior!" "He's going to be a top line player when he signs!"

This team isn't in the Burke and JFJ model of making trades with complete disregard to any foresight... as "exciting" as it was.

This team just doesn't want to trade that kind of asset for a 3 month player. How is that crazy? Are we not among the best teams in the league already?

This team should definitely be aggressive to add a good player at the deadline (or 2), but those are typically not by adding your blue chip prospect that is fairly close to NHL ready among analysts opinions.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Someone mentioned one-stop shopping with the Ducks, and I’d be happy with that. Henrique and Comtois or Max Jones would be a tidy bit of business to strengthen the 3rd line

 

[Mess]

Well, you'd expect teams to want the best return.
Dubas want to pay the least.

When you are a top 5 team in the league, any advantage is good.

Going to be and interesting trade deadline particularly to see what Boston and Tampa Bay do, and what that forces Leafs into doing or not.

NYR already adding Tarasenko has raised the playoff competitive bar in the Eastern Conference.

 

[ULF_55]

People forget Zach Hyman was a finalist for the Hobey Baker and one of the highest scoring players in the NCAA in his time coming out of college. The previously undrafted Alex Steeves is not his comparable its Matthew Knies.

Florida Panthers Prospect F Zach Hyman Named a Finalist for Hobey Baker Award​

March 19, 2015

SUNRISE, Fla. – The Hobey Baker Award Committee announced today that Panthers prospect F Zach Hyman was named a finalist for the 2015 Hobey Baker Award.

Hyman, 22, is one of ten finalists for the award given annually to the top NCAA Di ...

Wonder how Steeves would have done as a 22 year old in the NCAA?
He was in the AHL at 21.
Only played 3 years in the NCAA, interesting.

 

[dubplatepressure]

He's a blue chip future asset that will likely have a good impact in the next year or so. People always go to one extreme to the other to fit their narrative. "He's not a savior!" "He's going to be a top line player when he signs!"

This team isn't in the Burke and JFJ model of making trades with complete disregard to any foresight... as "exciting" as it was.

This team just doesn't want to trade that kind of asset for a 3 month player. How is that crazy? Are we not among the best teams in the league already?

This team should definitely be aggressive to add a good player at the deadline, but those are typically not by adding your blue chip prospect.

IMO he’s just not a blue chip prospect - he’s a tier below that. Whatever you want to call that - excellent / top 6 / very good / etc.

I’ve never once seen anyone here indicate they want to trade Knies for a UFA rental, so not sure what your comment is addressing.

 

[SprDaVE]

Someone mentioned one-stop shopping with the Ducks, and I’d be happy with that. Henrique and Comtois or Max Jones would be a tidy bit of business to strengthen the 3rd line

Comtois could use a change of scenery but he has a lot of Ritchie vibes. Jones is not very good at all.