Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[jaric1862]

As long as Ovi is there, don’t see the caps trading Wilson.

 

[MSZ]

Is it possible for the leafs to get both Tom Wilson and John Carlson from the Washington capitals ?

Salary cap experts here, can the leafs pull this move?

Get Ovechkin too while we're at it.

 

[VanW27]

I wrote a longer post about Crouse in the past, but I'll give a summarized version.

Crouse is a solid player, great tools, big, physical, good skater, surprisingly good shooter/scorer (the 15%+ sh% aren't just a fluke).

But here's the thing, plays die on his stick. Think Mikheyev or Kapanen for former Leafs, different play style but similar issue, or Foegle is another example whos a similar type of player. You see the stats playing with lesser players and you think about what they'd do playing higher in the lineup or with better players. But the lack of creativity and vision turns them into a hindrance when you stick them with top end players. We tried it with Mikheyev and Kapanen, Carolina and Edmonton tried it with Foegle but it doesn't work.

Crouse would be terrific on the 3rd line much the same way Miky abd Kapanen were weapons for us on the 3rd lines but I'm doubtful he'd be the answer for a top 6 LW.

 

[Menzinger]

He's also shooting 18%.

Yep which isn't going to last, he also benefits from being a decent player on a awful team. Somebody has to get the puck eventually somebody has to score for the team eventually. His offensive opportunities on the Leafs would be pretty muted in comparison.

I think he's a good player, but I also don't quite get the obsession.

 

[OVO16]

 

[1specter]

As much as I wanna see another impact addition, I think the remaining moves will be minor, maybe to clear cap or have roster flexibility. I do think another forward addition is needed but most of the major names that were available no longer are. Hope Dubas can surprise me one more time

 

[Marshy]

Can anyone translate this for me?

 

[ULF_55]

I wrote a longer post about Crouse in the past, but I'll give a summarized version.

Crouse is a solid player, great tools, big, physical, good skater, surprisingly good shooter/scorer (the 15%+ sh% aren't just a fluke).

But here's the thing, plays die on his stick. Think Mikheyev or Kapanen for former Leafs, different play style but similar issue, or Foegle is another example whos a similar type of player. You see the stats playing with lesser players and you think about what they'd do playing higher in the lineup or with better players. But the lack of creativity and vision turns them into a hindrance when you stick them with top end players. We tried it with Mikheyev and Kapanen, Carolina and Edmonton tried it with Foegle but it doesn't work.

Crouse would be terrific on the 3rd line much the same way Miky abd Kapanen were weapons for us on the 3rd lines but I'm doubtful he'd be the answer for a top 6 LW.

Your description is what I'd prefer they look for.

3rd. liner who can produce.

They don't have to fix the 1st. 2 lines, those fixes are nice to have, 3rd. line fix is a need.

 

[The Podium]

Can anyone translate this for me?

Sounds like Florida wants to be active now. I’m confused as to whether she means as buyers or sellers

 

[Fogelhund]

Why is Crouse so overvalued here? Am I missing something? Like I understand the appeal because of his size but he's THAT great. But maybe I'm missing something though?

Every single power forward is overvalued. They are rare. Tom Wilson, Josh Anderson, Jeannot.... and so on.

Crouse does have a high shooting percentage this year, but then most of his goals are within 10 feet of the net... it's that way most seasons (his goals). He has a knack for being in the right place, at the right time. He's playing with Maccelli and Bjugstad, so it's not like he's blessed to be playing with talent. He fights, he stands up for teammates, he's physical... 200 hits a year, and good for 20 goals a year playing with Arizona.

He's basically Knies, with NHL experience and a track record. People like Crouse, for the same reason we are excited about Knies. He's just a rare player to have. No, he's not great, but he's probably a very good compliment to what we have. He can probably play top six for us, is a true LW, and allow us to roll three good lines. He's on a crap team, with positive +- (I know...), his relative corsi/fenwick are good, and his line is positive xGoals%... and his lines have consistently been that way over his career. He isn't a great passer, (Note @VanW27 has suggested plays die on his stick... like I said he's not a good passer... he's a guy who needs to keep the game simple... get the puck, give it to someone who can do something with it, get in a spot to shoot, but it's a limitation for sure) but he's good in the corners, forechecks well, gets in front of the net, and can score. He has above average skating.

It's nice having some players on your team, who can play a physical game... but typically those guys are in your bottom six, bottom pairing... and we have those guys now... this is a guy who can play that game in your top six.

 

[Marshy]

Sounds like Florida wants to be active now. I’m confused as to whether she means as buyers or sellers

Glad it's not just me.

 

[leafsfan5]

Duclair at 50% could be an option if Florida sells

 

[Marshy]

The Florida Panthers have accepted that they are likely out and given some of the big prices paid would like to sell on some guys.
But most of the buyers who would be willing to pay high prices may have already spent the capital they are willing to move.

You have a gift.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

She is saying the Panthers are buyers.

Also, she’s been on a roll last couple weeks. Legit insider.

 

[stickty111]

Schmaltz would be awesome

 

[cyris]

You have a gift.

I deleted that cause although that is my best guess I could be wrong. It was a badly written tweet lol

 

[leafsfan5]

idk to me it reads like Florida wants to acquire someone

"Can Florida capitalize with the Caps out of the mix, or is last years biggest spender maxed out" suggests that with the Caps selling, Florida might try to go for a wildcard spot, but their lack of assets could inhibit that

 

[Marshy]

I deleted that cause although that is my best guess I could be wrong. It was a badly written tweet lol

It made me question if I was a hockey junkie.

 

[BTP]

We need to be in on another scoring forward.

Domi. Duclair. Toffoli. I dont care who, get someone else before 3pm tomorrow.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[Gabriel426]

That was expected. You just know Quick won’t stay in Columbus and wants to prove that he still got it.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Man, I remember the days about a decade ago when me and a few buddies would burn up a vacation day to spend the day together watching the trade deadline shows, anticipating the big deals coming from the Leafs and around the league. After being disappointed for a couple years straight, sitting there bored based on the inaction and/or lack of big deals, we decided it was no longer worth wasting up a whole vacation day when it could be better served another time. LOL

 

[TheDoldrums]

I think the Coyotes definitely want to move Schmaltz with his real salary jumping next year. And he's a pretty damn good player. Retention would be the big issue, definitely need to involve a 3rd party and even then I'm not sure how much Zona is willing to eat if any

 

[Gabriel426]

Man, I remember the days about a decade ago when me and a few buddies would burn up a vacation day to spend the day together watching the trade deadline shows, anticipating the big deals coming from the Leafs and around the league. After being disappointed for a couple years straight, sitting there bored based on the inaction and/or lack of big deals, we decided it was no longer worth wasting up a whole vacation day when it could be better served another time. LOL

For some odd reason, teams in the East just went crazy. It is like they all thought this is the year to push and go all in despite Bruins having the Historic Season. In a way, that’s pretty disrespectful to the Bruins, literally telling them regular season success means nothing.
I can see if the Leafs is the one having a season like the Bruins and if other Eastern teams are loading up this way, the medias will be saying Leafs gets no respect….

 

[Fogelhund]

Every single power forward is overvalued. They are rare. Tom Wilson, Josh Anderson, Jeannot.... and so on.

Crouse does have a high shooting percentage this year, but then most of his goals are within 10 feet of the net... it's that way most seasons (his goals). He has a knack for being in the right place, at the right time. He's playing with Maccelli and Bjugstad, so it's not like he's blessed to be playing with talent. He fights, he stands up for teammates, he's physical... 200 hits a year, and good for 20 goals a year playing with Arizona.

He's basically Knies, with NHL experience and a track record. People like Crouse, for the same reason we are excited about Knies. He's just a rare player to have. No, he's not great, but he's probably a very good compliment to what we have. He can probably play top six for us, is a true LW, and allow us to roll three good lines. He's on a crap team, with positive +- (I know...), his relative corsi/fenwick are good, and his line is positive xGoals%... and his lines have consistently been that way over his career. He isn't a great passer, (Note @VanW27 has suggested plays die on his stick... like I said he's not a good passer... he's a guy who needs to keep the game simple... get the puck, give it to someone who can do something with it, get in a spot to shoot, but it's a limitation for sure) but he's good in the corners, forechecks well, gets in front of the net, and can score. He has above average skating.

It's nice having some players on your team, who can play a physical game... but typically those guys are in your bottom six, bottom pairing... and we have those guys now... this is a guy who can play that game in your top six.

I hate quoting myself.. but here I am... more because I wanted to expand upon this.

Max Comtois actually has more points per game and similar goals per game than Crouse... but he's had a bad two years. I was all for going after him earlier, to see if a change in scenery could rebound his game... but the time to gamble has passed... that was a month or so ago. He's going to be a UFA this year, and I do hope that we take a look at him, if we don't find another body like that now. He's going to come in around $1.2-$1.5 next year... so he'd be cheaper too.