Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[WTFMAN99]

Would Murray waive for Nashville?

1st
Robertson
Murray

for

Saros

 

[kb]

Agreed. Doesn’t make sense carrying Rielly, McCabe, Brodie, Liljegren, Giordano, Schenn, Holl, Gustafsson, Timmins and Benn. That’s 10 NHL caliber defencemen.

Then you look at our bottom six, Jarnkrok, Kampf, Lafferty, Aston-Reese, Acciari and Kerfoot. Some secondary scoring to replace Aston-Reese has got to be the goal.

Maybe Dubas stands pat though and thinks Knies can step in and provide some secondary scoring in the bottom six?

I know this will be the object of scorn, but instead of spending more assets and possibly risking upsetting the balance in the dressing room, why not stand pat and then call up Bobby McMann or Holmberg after the deadline when the limit on the number of roster players goes away (as long as they remain cap compliant?)?

Basically would be the placeholder for Knies....and gives the player a good run whole keeping them eligible for the AHL playoffs.

 

[Fogelhund]

Of course he should be moved. He serves absolutely no purpose on this team anymore and the only justifications given are:

- "But the team likes him" - So what, I'm sure they liked everyone else sent packing.
- "He can play anywhere in the lineup" - Actually he can't and has unperformed on all assignments given this season. That 3.5m can be used on a legit bottom six LW in the Acciari, Lafferty mold + whatever left over on a legit backup goaltender or D.

The Engvall & Sandin moves gives me hope that Dubas will properly fill each and every spot with the best possible fit he can find.

All fair comments... but then who is this/these player(S) we can bring in, to upgrade the lineup? I've listed a few in a prior post... but there aren't many guys out there who would improve the lineup. You mention D... I mean, unless it's a upgrade on what we have, we aren't getting a depth guy for sure.

 

[Cor]

So now Kevin Weekes mentioning us maybe getting another goalie.

I’m not sure we do, but seems possible

 

[stickty111]

If we are making big moves on defence and forward, lets do it entirely. Go get Saros

 

[ER89]

I know this will be the object of scorn, but instead of spending more assets and possibly risking upsetting the balance in the dressing room, why not stand pat and then call up Bobby McMann or Holmberg after the deadline when the limit on the number of roster players goes away (as long as they remain cap compliant?)?

Basically would be the placeholder for Knies....and gives the player a good run whole keeping them eligible for the AHL playoffs.

just wouldn't make sense imo.

One more player won't make a difference. Plus, guys like ror and acciari are great vets. Mccabe is familiar with matthews and he was excited when he joined so the boys will be quick to welcome him. As for lafferty- a few hits and he'll be in the good books too.

Let's just go for it imo. Otherwise the whole giving up sandin thing wont make too much sense imo.

 

[SprDaVE]

So now Kevin Weekes mentioning us maybe getting another goalie.

I’m not sure we do, but seems possible

It makes no sense to me at all. The only way it makes sense is if Murray is gone or shut down for whatever reason. But he has a NTC.

Are we getting a goaltender just to waive them? We already have 5 goaltenders signed up. Is another journeyman goaltender really the difference? If we're talking about a star... who the hell has that to trade?

Samsonov has been pretty good to me. Murray has also been pretty good when healthy. I don't get it.

 

[LizzyDangle]

The constant shuffle at PP1 over the last few years says otherwise.

This does not really apply to PP1 necessarily but there's a sniper on Buffalo who might be available. One of the best shots in the league imo

 

[Stephen]

It makes no sense to me at all. The only way it makes sense is if Murray is gone or shut down for whatever reason. But he has a NTC.

Are we getting a goaltender just to waive them? We already have 5 goaltenders signed up. Is another journeyman goaltender really the difference? If we're talking about a star... who the hell has that to trade?

Samsonov has been pretty good to me. Murray has also been pretty good when healthy. I don't get it.

Seems excessive but if the Leafs want to bulletproof the goaltending position and have the resources to do so. Have at it…

 

[stickty111]

Anyone understand any of this? I get the point but the first couple sentences are useless.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Deadline goalies almost never work. I can’t think the last good one honestly, probably some under the radar back-up trade. Odds are you trade for Ryan Miller precisely as his game starts going to shit.

 

[SprDaVE]

Seems excessive but if the Leafs want to bulletproof the goaltending position and have the resources to do so. Have at it…

You can only have 1 goaltender to play at a time. They have depth and they have potential.

Seems so damn bizarre to me and it feels like some insiders are being fed some weird info.

Lightning have Brian Elliott as their back-up. I don't see a single person talk about them?

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Hope we aren’t one of the buyer teams kicking tires.

 

[Fogelhund]

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[Gary Nylund]

I wouldn't trade Liljegren straight up.

Yeah I gave the obvious "way too much" response last night, but this thought crossed my mind as well.

 

[Stephen]

You can only have 1 goaltender to play at a time. They have depth and they have potential.

Seems so damn bizarre to me and it feels like some insiders are being fed some weird info.

Lightning have Brian Elliott as their back-up. I don't see a single person talk about them?

If the Leafs feel insecurity in goal and address it, I won’t blame them.

 

[kb]

just wouldn't make sense imo.

One more player won't make a difference. Plus, guys like ror and acciari are great vets. Mccabe is familiar with matthews and he was excited when he joined so the boys will be quick to welcome him. As for lafferty- a few hits and he'll be in the good books too.

Let's just go for it imo. Otherwise the whole giving up sandin thing wont make too much sense imo.

Sandin was going to be the locked into the #7 D role until the end of his RFA contract, so the Sandin trade was the one that made the most sense, not the least.

IMO there is no one available out there who moves the needle enough for the Leafs to move the first. If you watch Dubas, It's a big impact add for a 1st, or nothing. The only rental worth a 1st the Leafs have already acquired.

I see all these marginal upgrades or sidegrades being proposed for mediocre UFA's or wingers with a big ticket while wiping out the rest of the Leafs draft capital and shake my head. The benefit has to outweigh the cost, and nothing I see proposed comes remotely close to doing that.

Especially if the first is moved for someone who ends up preventing the Leafs from re-signing ROR. That's poor asset management IMO.

Do we really want to pay through the nose to upgrade 10% on the 2nd or 3rd line? Seems like a real waste. Targeted adds at the right place? Sure.

And why with Rielly and McCabe here long term, why is Chychrun even being mentioned? The Leafs have Brodie and Liljegren on the right, so Chychrun would be a luxury incremental add at a huge cost.

I really don't see much out there, and I'm shocked people want to go all in and leave no futures when next season Boston and Tampa will be hurting big time, and provides the clearer path out of the Atlantic.

 

[leafsfan5]

Unless we're getting a top flight goalie there is no reason for one

 

[Gary Nylund]

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Anyone still think we can extend Nylander for less than 10M?

 

[cyris]

Deadline goalies almost never work. I can’t think the last good one honestly, probably some under the radar back-up trade. Odds are you trade for Ryan Miller precisely as his game starts going to shit.

Dwane Rolison like 17 years ago???
Yeah I don’t get the goalie thing either unless there is some sure fire #1 available. Sure we are in trouble if both are starters go down but who wouldn’t be?
Doesn’t seem like something we should waste assets on. Big sive Dave all over again

 

[Sypher04]

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Hardly surprising, Larkin is a much better player than Horvat. Horvat having this outlier year and getting way too much money is the only reason it’ll be close

 

[cyris]

If the Leafs feel insecurity in goal and address it, I won’t blame them.

Who can you bring in that would make you feel less insecure?
It’s not like I’d be comfortable with any goalies that are going to move in a playoff game.

 

[Gary Nylund]

IMO there is no one available out there who moves the needle enough for the Leafs to move the first. If you watch Dubas, It's a big impact add for a 1st, or nothing. The only rental worth a 1st the Leafs have already acquired.

I see all these marginal upgrades or sidegrades being proposed for mediocre UFA's or wingers with a big ticket while wiping out the rest of the Leafs draft capital and shake my head. The benefit has to outweigh the cost, and nothing I see proposed comes remotely close to doing that.

Especially if the first is moved for someone who ends up preventing the Leafs from re-signing ROR. That's poor asset management IMO.

Do we really want to pay through the nose to upgrade 10% on the 2nd or 3rd line? Seems like a real waste. Targeted adds at the right place? Sure.

And why with Rielly and McCabe here long term, why is Chychrun even being mentioned? The Leafs have Brodie and Liljegren on the right, so Chychrun would be a luxury incremental add at a huge cost.

I really don't see much out there, and I'm shocked people want to go all in and leave no futures when next season Boston and Tampa will be hurting big time.

Yeah at first I though there had to be aonther move coming, and our trading partner preferred a 1st to Sandin but now I just think he was moved because there no path for Sandin to develop further here. Unless of course a trade is made 10 minutes from now.

Now just trying to figure out what's up with Gusty, maybe they see him as someone who can help us in the playoffs? I mean Tyson Barrie isn't exactly a defensive stalwart and he plays hockey pretty well, I guess we'll see.

 

[ER89]

IMO there is no one available out there who moves the needle enough for the Leafs to move the first. If you watch Dubas, It's a big impact add for a 1st, or nothing. The only rental worth a 1st the Leafs have already acquired.

I see all these marginal upgrades or sidegrades being proposed for mediocre UFA's or wingers with a big ticket while wiping out the rest of the Leafs draft capital and shake my head. The benefit has to outweigh the cost, and nothing I see proposed comes remotely close to doing that.

Especially if the first is moved for someone who ends up preventing the Leafs from re-signing ROR. That's poor asset management IMO.

Do we really want to pay through the nose to upgrade 10% on the 2nd or 3rd line? Seems like a real waste. Targeted adds at the right place? Sure.

And why with Rielly and McCabe here long term, why is Chychrun even being mentioned? The Leafs have Brodie and Liljegren on the right, so Chychrun would be a luxury incremental add at a huge cost.

I really don't see much out there, and I'm shocked people want to go all in and leave no futures when next season Boston and Tampa will be hurting big time.

the premise of the post is built on there is no one available out there who moves the needle.

I don't know if that's the case. If it is, then you evaluate.

But I wouldnt be upset if the first was used to get a legit top 6 winger. Now if that top 6 winger is a retained connor garland then f*** that.

 

[TimeZone]

Anyone understand any of this? I get the point but the first couple sentences are useless.

Way to make yourself look like a complete and total moron, Weekes.