Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[Morgs]

So either a rental that won't cost much or a player with control which opens up the 1st round pick or Knies conversation.
Thats fine by me.
Hopefully Blues hold firm on their price for ROR and Dubas can pivot as a result

If he comes cheap I don't see the harm, assuming they have access to a full physical and like the results. He was an elite player as recently as last year, and even with age/injury related decline he's likely at least a good 3C still when healthy and mentally back in it. Not like speed was ever a part of his game. Just feeling like the hate behind grabbing a potentially healthy ROR and comparing hit to Foligno is weird, esp when even last year he was better than Foligno ever was.

 

[Antropovsky]

TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun reports that the condition on this year's first-round pick is the latest of the two first-round picks the Rangers have, their own or Dallas', the Blues get the later of the two. The 2024 fourth-rounder becomes a third-rounder if the Rangers make the playoffs this year.

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It would be incredible for us, if Woll could come in and show he's a quality NHL player... resign Samsanov, move Murray...

Probably too risky (depending on Murrays health of course). If we go into playoffs and both Samsonov and Woll fail... Media would eat Dubas alive for trading Murray. The risk is greater than the reward for Dubas.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

With the Tarasenko deal now completed, you would have to think we'd be able to grab Bertuzzi for a pretty good deal. Thinking a 2nd Round Pick and a prospect.

Why, though?

The guy is made of glass. He can’t stay in the lineup. What good is spending assets on an injury prone winger?

Makes sense for the type of player, just not THAT particular player

 

[Fogelhund]

Probably too risky (depending on Murrays health of course). If we go into playoffs and both Samsonov and Woll fail... Media would eat Dubas alive for trading Murray. The risk is greater than the reward for Dubas.

Implied that such moves would be offseason...not before the playoffs. Hence the resign Samsanov statement.

 

[leafsfan5]

I hate trading 1sts for rentals, regardless who the player is.... but it's also the Rangers who screw up basically every 1st round picks development, so might as well let it fly. Tank is still a great player and they could use a top-6 RW.

I like it for the Blues. Grab what's likely an early 20s pick and a mid-pick for a rental and meh 3rd pair defenseman. The Blues are the polar opposite of the Rangers with their prospect development so I expect this to be a great pick too in a stacked draft.


Carolina is really good, with or without Meier.

I didn't say they weren't, but their lack of scoring come playoff time has been a major issue. They tried to remedy it with Patches, but his injuries have obviously ended that plan. They need a high end scorer or else I see them struggling again against an elite goalie like Shesterkin

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

I didn't say they weren't, but their lack of scoring come playoff time has been a major issue. They tried to remedy it with Patches, but his injuries have obviously ended that plan. They need a high end scorer or else I see them struggling again against an elite goalie like Shesterkin

Agree. They have solid depth but I don't think they'll come out of the East, or maybe Metro, without a game breaking scorer.

 

[Magic Man]

Why, though?

The guy is made of glass. He can’t stay in the lineup. What good is spending assets on an injury prone winger?

Makes sense for the type of player, just not THAT particular player

He would probably be the best forward rental available that you could acquire without a 1st rd. pick included. You could get him at that price because of injuries, if he didn't have them he'd pull a 1st too. He plays a hard nosed game and the team would really benefit from more of those types of players. He'd slide in next to JT and Marner and become their own Bunting.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Why, though?

The guy is made of glass. He can’t stay in the lineup. What good is spending assets on an injury prone winger?

Makes sense for the type of player, just not THAT particular player

You know exactly why, they need a top 6 forward

 

[Fogelhund]

You know exactly why, they need a top 6 forward

There are quite a few of those available. Others are all more durable too.... Doesn't seem like someone Dubas would go after... but we shall see.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

There are quite a few of those available. Others are all more durable too.... Doesn't seem like someone Dubas would go after... but we shall see.

We know he's tried before

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I believe Kyle when he says on February 9th 2023 he doesn't want to trade a 1st or top prospect for a rental.

I don't know that I believe that on march 3rd.

 

[DarkKnight]

I’m fine with Dubas not unloading big assets for a rental. I think he’s delusional if he actually believes he has enough internally to fill out a cup winning bottom six.

 

[Future]

Bertuzzi is really slow. Don’t really see the fit in our system since slow players tend to get exposed here. Even JT struggles with the pace at times and he’s infinitely more talented.

 

[Americanadian]

I've been thinking about the Durant trade all day. 4 unprotected 1st round picks for 4 seasons of Durant. That is essentially the equivalent of a team trading an unprotected 1st four straight seasons for a high impact rental which doesn't sound nearly as extreme as 4 1st round picks at once. Would people here trade the Leafs next 4 1st round picks (unprotected) for a player who will be around for 4 playoff runs? The only obvious examples of this would be Kaprizov or Robertson or McDavid (of course). There is no precedent (to my knowledge) of 4 unprotected 1st round picks being traded for 1 player which leads me to believe a team could acquire nearly any player if they were willing to offer such a package.

*Obviously, like Durant, the Leafs or any other team would have to create salary to fit this new impact player in.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I've been thinking about the Durant trade all day. 4 unprotected 1st round picks for 4 seasons of Durant. That is essentially the equivalent of a team trading an unprotected 1st four straight seasons for a high impact rental which doesn't sound nearly as extreme as 4 1st round picks at once. Would people here trade the Leafs next 4 1st round picks (unprotected) for a player who will be around for 4 playoff runs? The only obvious examples of this would be Kaprizov or Robertson or McDavid (of course). There is no precedent (to my knowledge) of 4 unprotected 1st round picks being traded for 1 player which leads me to believe a team could acquire nearly any player if they were willing to offer such a package.

*Obviously, like Durant, the Leafs or any other team would have to create salary to fit this new impact player in.

Some assets are worth more than 2 1sts.

Some teams don't want to commit to that many 1sts going out the door.

 

[LaPlante94]

Bertuzzi is really slow. Don’t really see the fit in our system since slow players tend to get exposed here. Even JT struggles with the pace at times and he’s infinitely more talented.

I thought hockey IQ was our go to player trait under this management group though? Look at our defence for example. I'd say only Rielly and Liljegren are not that slow. Even a lot of our forwards aren't that fast or known for their speed. Speed can be helpful if you know how to play at that speed like McDavid but speed can be a very overrated player trait, especially when the NHL size ice is not that big when you have 10 skaters on the ice and most of the play is played in either the offensive zone or defensive zone.

 

[BayStBullies]

I've been thinking about the Durant trade all day. 4 unprotected 1st round picks for 4 seasons of Durant. That is essentially the equivalent of a team trading an unprotected 1st four straight seasons for a high impact rental which doesn't sound nearly as extreme as 4 1st round picks at once. Would people here trade the Leafs next 4 1st round picks (unprotected) for a player who will be around for 4 playoff runs? The only obvious examples of this would be Kaprizov or Robertson or McDavid (of course). There is no precedent (to my knowledge) of 4 unprotected 1st round picks being traded for 1 player which leads me to believe a team could acquire nearly any player if they were willing to offer such a package.

*Obviously, like Durant, the Leafs or any other team would have to create salary to fit this new impact player in.

I think a star player is more able to turn a game around alone in the NBA, especially with smaller rosters.

 

[ULF_55]

Sounds like Leafs should be sellers.

So how much can Leafs get for their unprotected players?

For those who have no hope, what's your asking price?

 

[Dekes For Days]

I've been thinking about the Durant trade all day. 4 unprotected 1st round picks for 4 seasons of Durant. That is essentially the equivalent of a team trading an unprotected 1st four straight seasons for a high impact rental which doesn't sound nearly as extreme as 4 1st round picks at once. Would people here trade the Leafs next 4 1st round picks (unprotected) for a player who will be around for 4 playoff runs? The only obvious examples of this would be Kaprizov or Robertson or McDavid (of course). There is no precedent (to my knowledge) of 4 unprotected 1st round picks being traded for 1 player which leads me to believe a team could acquire nearly any player if they were willing to offer such a package.

There are assets in the NHL that are worth four 1st round picks. They're just usually not available while they're worth that. There have been offer sheets in the four 1st compensation range though, so there's definitely an established history of that being offered for a player. That said, non-lottery 1st round picks are worth less in the NBA than the NHL just by the nature of the sport, and one player can make more of an impact.

 

[DarkKnight]

I thought hockey IQ was our go to player trait under this management group though? Look at our defence for example. I'd say only Rielly and Liljegren are not that slow. Even a lot of our forwards aren't that fast or known for their speed. Speed can be helpful if you know how to play at that speed like McDavid but speed can be a very overrated player trait, especially when the NHL size ice is not that big when you have 10 skaters on the ice and most of the play is played in either the offensive zone or defensive zone.

It’s outdated to say we’re a fast team anymore, we’re average.

 

[Nhlpowerweek]

Leafs - Coyotes
Jacob Chychrun
For
Rasmus Sandin, Roni Hirvonen, Alex Kerfoot & 1st

Leafs - Predators
Tanner Jeannot
For
Nick Robertson, Bobby McMann & ‘24 2nd

Leafs - Blackhawks
Max Domi @ 50%
For
Leafs 3rd & Joey Anderson

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Domi - - Tavares - - Nylander
Knies - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
Jeannot - - Kampf - - Engvall

Chychrun - Liljegren
Rielly - - Brodie
Giordano - Holl

I like all those trades milord. You know bout life & hockey sire.

One gezuy I would also take a look is not eve, but Adam henrique of the desucks. Adam got that game and still twerkin. What!!!!!!

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I thought hockey IQ was our go to player trait under this management group though? Look at our defence for example. I'd say only Rielly and Liljegren are not that slow. Even a lot of our forwards aren't that fast or known for their speed. Speed can be helpful if you know how to play at that speed like McDavid but speed can be a very overrated player trait, especially when the NHL size ice is not that big when you have 10 skaters on the ice and most of the play is played in either the offensive zone or defensive zone.

Probably, but then again, Bertuzzi doesn't strike me as a particularly high hockey IQ player either.

If the injuries haven't killed him, he can probably be like Bunting. The thing is, Jarnkrok has worked very well in the top 6 and only the top 6. He was really bad in the bottom 6.

The Leafs should focus on getting more offense in their bottom 6. The 4th line is not pulling their weight, and it needs to if you want to have a shutdown 3rd line which is only going to put up moderate offense.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Normally I don't really like rentals, but the Leafs do have to find a way to actually accomplish something. Matthews and Nylander are UFAs in a year. If he doesn't do everything possible to build the best possible team, he's an idiot. The Leafs are potentially 2 playoff runs away from having nothing to show for the Auston Matthews era, and he's hung up on losing a prospect or draft pick that might help 3-4 years from now?

 

[dubplatepressure]

Sounds like Leafs should be sellers.

So how much can Leafs get for their unprotected players?

For those who have no hope, what's your asking price?

Again with the ridiculous hot takes, eh? Moved on from trying to “save” Nylander have you?

 

[Nhlpowerweek]

And if a sucka aint getting chukrun, we should take the cheap Bloom Bloom luke schenn. For real. And hard.

And if a sucka aint getting domi and jeannot. We should take henrique and that sucka jt miller. He a savvy fool. For real.