Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[Hoglund4MvP]

Acciari showing what we've been missing in bottom 6 for a playoff run. Get another Acciari, no more Engvalls.

 

[Dekes For Days]

A big blueline has been a big part of TB's success.
Colorado had a big blueline last year as well. Montreal had a big blueline when they went on an unexpected Cup run. Leafs have gone out in the first round for what, 6 years now?
And during that time, the Leafs never put together a big strong blueline

Playoff defenseman average, 2022 playoffs:
Toronto: 6'1.7", 204.3 lbs
Colorado: 6'1", 201.1 lbs

Also, there's a lot of reasons Tampa has had the success they have, and the size of their blueline is way, way, way down the list.

 

[The Podium]

 

[Dekes For Days]

Colorado's 7 D who played in the playoffs in the cup run. Fun fact: 4 of the 7 D were 191 lbs or less.

Also their 4 most played defensemen in the playoffs were their 4 smallest defensemen.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Bottom line is. Mike Babcock was absolutely right about way more than he was wrong.

That's absolutely not true at all. He was wrong about the majority of the public things while he was here, and every day, there's a new story about something else he was wrong about.
The real question is how he lasted the 4 and a half years he did. Toxic, destructive, miserable to be around, insubordinate, and stubborn about things he has no clue about.
Not to mention an ego the size of a mountain.

 

[Gilmour1996]

Also their 4 most played defensemen in the playoffs were their 4 smallest defensemen.

It can catch up to you though, eventually. Just ask Makar. Or Girard. Or Byram. Or Murray. Can't just look at 2 teams recent playoff results (excluding rentals of big D at TDL) and project that small D are better and robust enough. You need to look at decades of results.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It can catch up to you though, eventually. Just ask Makar. Or Girard. Or Byram. Or Murray.

What catches up to you?
They won the cup.

Can't just look at 2 teams recent playoff results (excluding rentals of big D at TDL) and project that small D are better and robust enough. You need to look at decades of results.

We're looking at the 2 teams that were mentioned and misrepresented in an attempt to argue that we aren't good enough. I agree, you can't just look at two teams. The decades of results show that defensemen and defensemen groups of all sizes can succeed in the playoffs and do well. What matters most is that you're good, not big or small.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

 

[Brobust]

What catches up to you?
They won the cup.

Girard has been victimized in the playoffs.

I think the Manson add was a big deal for them.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Girard has been victimized in the playoffs.

Yes, one of Colorado's defensemen experienced an injury on their cup run. That's not especially rare.
Are you suggesting that only smaller defensemen can get injured? Is Muzzin tiny too?
For the record, their 2nd smallest defensemen won the Conn Smythe.

 

[Americanadian]

I am irrationally annoyed at this.

 

[OVO16]

Yeah Im done with Engvall man. I don't care how many goals this dude ends up scoring.

The lack of fire, tenacity, physicality, and overall compete level that this dude plays with, given his size....is just disheartening and sad.

He's not the type of player you go to war with in the Playoffs. He just doesn't care.

 

[Fogelhund]

Jenner $3,750,000 (3yrs left)
Gavrikov $2,800,000 (UFA)
Korpisalo $1,300,000 (UFA)
$7,850,000

for

Sandin $1,400,000
B Prospect (Robertson/Holmberg/Niemelä/Kokkonen)
Woll $766,667
Murray $4,687,500
Engvall $2,250,000
ZAR $840,630
$9,950,467

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Bunting Matthews Nylander
Tavares O'Reilly Marner
McMann Jenner Jarnkrok
Kerfoot Acciari Kampf

Rielly Lily
Gio Brodie
Gavrikov Holl

Samsonov
Korpisalo

It’s believed that they want two firsts for Gavrikov alone, but somehow you are going to get all that, for less than the ask for Gavrikov?

 

[Brobust]

Yes, one of Colorado's defensemen experienced an injury on their cup run. That's not especially rare.
Are you suggesting that only smaller defensemen can get injured? Is Muzzin tiny too?
For the record, their 2nd smallest defensemen won the Conn Smythe.

I was actually talking about the playoffs before last season. I think it was Vegas that targeted him.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I was actually talking about the playoffs before last season. I think it was Vegas that targeted him.

Girard played all 10 games the year before... playing 22+ minutes a night.

 

[TMLAM34]

It’s believed that they want two firsts for Gavrikov alone, but somehow you are going to get all that, for less than the ask for Gavrikov?

Where was this reported? Only thing I can find/remind hearing was the asking price was a 1st, 3rd and 4th. No way they get two 1sts for Gavrikov.

 

[Brobust]

Girard played all 10 games the year before... playing 22+ minutes a night.

Yeah, and he was targeted by Vegas and the reason they didn't make it out of the 2nd round.

Outscored 14-9 with him.

 

[ACC1224]

Funny seeing players sizes listed as a way of determining whether they ‘play big’ or not.
Really highlights the ignorance of the game.

 

[kb]

Funny seeing players sizes listed as a way of determining whether they ‘play big’ or not.
Really highlights the ignorance of the game.

So we are making excuses for the poster who said that Colorado won because they had a big D core?

Might wanna sit this one out or reconsider - they were neither big, nor played big.

Consider this a failed test.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yeah, and he was targeted by Vegas and the reason they didn't make it out of the 2nd round.
Outscored 14-9 with him.

Girard was one of two Colorado defensemen with a positive xGF% that playoffs, and the other was heavily sheltered.
He didn't have great results in the Vegas series (or at least the last 3 games of it), but not a lot of Colorado players did.
Either way, this is now a discussion about how good he is, which is kind of besides the point.

 

[TMLAM34]

Acciari is a good example you don’t need to be “big” in order to play “big”.

 

[kb]

Acciari is a good example you don’t need to be “big” in order to play “big”.

Exactly. But he's still around 210 lbs, so he has 20 - 40 lbs on Colorado's top-4 D.

 

[Anthrax442]

Acciari is a good example you don’t need to be “big” in order to play “big”.

Tucker and Domi were both shrimps

 

[dubplatepressure]

Yeah Im done with Engvall man. I don't care how many goals this dude ends up scoring.

The lack of fire, tenacity, physicality, and overall compete level that this dude plays with, given his size....is just disheartening and sad.

He's not the type of player you go to war with in the Playoffs. He just doesn't care.

There were a few shifts last night where he’d just get out hustled or muscled from the puck - in our own end - one shift 2-3 times in a row. I thought the same thing then. He’s just a 4th liner and in that role he can be effective with his speed and size, but he is one of the softest fairweather players in the league.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Funny seeing players sizes listed as a way of determining whether they ‘play big’ or not.

Acciari is a good example you don’t need to be “big” in order to play “big”.

Tucker and Domi were both shrimps

Good, so we've established that you don't need to be tall and heavy to be successful.
You should inform the person on the previous page that started this by suggesting we needed to be tall and heavy to be successful.