Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[Griffin76]

Kapanen played with Malkin for quite a bit of time, until it was shown he just wasn't good enough. If you can't take advantage of that opportunity, it's not going to work anywhere.

Contrasting styles of the game though. Kapanen proved that he wasn't top 6 here. Why would it be different there. He played really well at first with Matthews and he played really well with Malkin at first too.

 

[Gabriel426]

Contrasting styles of the game though. Kapanen proved that he wasn't top 6 here. Why would it be different there. He played really well at first with Matthews and he played really well with Malkin at first too.

I think due to Kap's speed, a lot of people are under the image that he is more than a 3rd line winger but he really didn't have the IQ to play with better players.
If Kap is on your 3rd line, that just play simple North-South game and lets him PK. He is fantastic at the role. He still needs to work on his shot though.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Contrasting styles of the game though. Kapanen proved that he wasn't top 6 here. Why would it be different there. He played really well at first with Matthews and he played really well with Malkin at first too.

He just seemed to disengage and would be invisible for long stretches (multiple games), then suddenly turn it on for a game, or a period, and dominate with his speed. Very inconsistent. 11 of his 20 pts have been across 5 multi-point games. The other 38 games he has 9 pts.

 

[Kiwi]

Kapanen played with Malkin for quite a bit of time, until it was shown he just wasn't good enough. If you can't take advantage of that opportunity, it's not going to work anywhere.

Over his career Kapanen has been a 30-40 point player with a ton of speed and the ability to PK, he also has a propensity to score important goals

That isn't a bad player, he wouldn't be a bad player to have if he's on a cheap ticket

 

[Gabriel426]

It is interesting how we never did, or at least I dont recall, anyone here hoping Mik/Soup would make the jump to our Top 6 due to his speed but some of us(myself included) did at one point hope Kap is our top 6.

 

[Griffin76]

He just seemed to disengage and would be invisible for long stretches (multiple games), then suddenly turn it on for a game, or a period, and dominate with his speed. Very inconsistent. 11 of his 20 pts have been across 5 multi-point games. The other 38 games he has 9 pts.

Exactly why he'd be in the bottom 6. Games that the top 6 can't beat a hot goalie then the bottom 6 steps in.

 

[Griffin76]

I think due to Kap's speed, a lot of people are under the image that he is more than a 3rd line winger but he really didn't have the IQ to play with better players.
If Kap is on your 3rd line, that just play simple North-South game and lets him PK. He is fantastic at the role. He still needs to work on his shot though.

Completely agree. I hate the IQ thing though. Or the brain dead thing. Or the all the tools and no toolbox thing. Making a bad play or decision doesnt mean the guy is stupid. Maybe he's just not good enough to be a top 6 player. Maybe his toolbox is perfect for the bottom 6.

 

[hullsy47]

I don't know what kind of RHD are available but I know if Holl is getting top 4 minutes against Tampa/Boston it's going to be hard to watch and likely a main reason we lose that series.

It's sad going all in. Means trying to win a playoff round
We are going to moaning about holl all thru the first round and in the end probably cost the jobs of others

 

[Mess]

Isn't the real money aspect of this completely irrelevant when the two teams in question are Toronto and Boston? This isn't Arizona and Ottawa trading for real money purposes.. They traded for cap and cap alone.

Leafs and Boston traded for cap space retention but Minny was wlling to be the 3rd party involved to buy draft picks for very little real money cost, ands with lots of free cap space that retention to them is irrelevant if they don't need or use it. Both Leafs and Bruins might not have been able to make their trades without Minny helping out .

 

[dangomon]

Leafs and Boston traded for cap space retention but Minny was wlling to be the 3rd party involved to buy draft picks for very little real money cost, ands with lots of free cap space that retention to them is irrelevant if they don't need or use it. Both Leafs and Bruins might not have been able to make their trades without Minny helping out .

I completely agree it was necessary and Minny took full advantage of their position to add extra picks for (more or less) free.

I was only pointing it out to say that any of the real money values in that quote are useless. They did not acquire a 4th round pick for 74k, they got it for the AAV retention. It would be more useful to say that they got a 4th round pick from TO for retaining 1.8M AAV (even though it's prorated and more messy that that, but the point holds).

 

[Fogelhund]

Over his career Kapanen has been a 30-40 point player with a ton of speed and the ability to PK, he also has a propensity to score important goals

That isn't a bad player, he wouldn't be a bad player to have if he's on a cheap ticket

I had already suggested as much... but was discussing a posters claim that we should have kept him over Kerfoot.

 

[Buds17]

It is interesting how we never did, or at least I dont recall, anyone here hoping Mik/Soup would make the jump to our Top 6 due to his speed but some of us(myself included) did at one point hope Kap is our top 6.

An undrafted free agent versus the main piece acquired in a major trade (who was drafted in the first round).

Speed is only going to be part of the package for an NHLer.

 

[Burnie97]

It is interesting how we never did, or at least I dont recall, anyone here hoping Mik/Soup would make the jump to our Top 6 due to his speed but some of us(myself included) did at one point hope Kap is our top 6.

I thought at times early on with the Leafs they both had potential to have a shot at that.

Kappy had the skill it seemed but not enough brains. I thought he worked hard... great shot, not afraid to go to the corners etc..he wasn't consistent enough.

Same with Mik a bit. For him his speed was so good I was kind of sad to see him go and Kappy was freaking quick but Mik was a surprise that way. The thing for me with Mik was he had zero finish. He could be an easy 20 to 30 goal scorer but flubbed so many chances... it was that bad.

Kind of a side note to saying all this but relating it a bit. .. Engvall and Kerfoot are similar in ways and just seem like 2 other guys that will end up gone. Serviceable but they seem redundant on this team for the bottom six. Leafs just need a better mix still. I hope at least one goes.

 

[Gabriel426]

I thought at times early on with the Leafs they both had potential to have a shot at that.

Kappy had the skill it seemed but not enough brains. I thought he worked hard... great shot, not afraid to go to the corners etc..he wasn't consistent enough.

Same with Mik a bit. For him his speed was so good I was kind of sad to see him go and Kappy was freaking quick but Mik was a surprise that way. The thing for me with Mik was he had zero finish. He could be an easy 20 to 30 goal scorer but flubbed so many chances... it was that bad.

Kind of a side note to saying all this but relating it a bit. .. Engvall and Kerfoot are similar in ways and just seem like 2 other guys that will end up gone. Serviceable but they seem redundant on this team for the bottom six. Leafs just need a better mix still. I hope at least one goes.

For the Leafs, their bottom six just needs to have players not afraid to go hard to the net and not afraid to shoot.
Ideally, Bunting and Brown are perfect for the 3rd line. Engvall got the size but he is afraid to drive the net, Kerfoot drives to the net but he doesn’t shoot, Kap drives to the net and shoot but his shot is below par, AJ actually does all of that but he gets injured too much.

 

[Duffman955]

Upgrade on top 4 is a major need. And upgrade on Kerfoot/ZAR.

I still find ZAR absolutely useless all season. Can't believe one of the Marlies can't outshine him.

Looking at Mayfield, Soucy, Jensen, Mccabe on defense

Looking at Oliver, Athenasieu, etc up front

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I think the Kane trade will open the floodgates

 

[Gabriel426]

I think the Kane trade will open the floodgates

Hopefully he comes to us. Lol

 

[Mess]

I completely agree it was necessary and Minny took full advantage of their position to add extra picks for (more or less) free.

I was only pointing it out to say that any of the real money values in that quote are useless. They did not acquire a 4th round pick for 74k, they got it for the AAV retention. It would be more useful to say that they got a 4th round pick from TO for retaining 1.8M AAV (even though it's prorated and more messy that that, but the point holds).

I see it more as Minny provided a service of cap retention and they bought themselves a pair of draft picks for very little real money remaining on those contracts.

More teams should be as smart as Minny's Gm Guerin to help other make trades that lack cap space if they have lots themselves.

 

[rojac]

I completely agree it was necessary and Minny took full advantage of their position to add extra picks for (more or less) free.

I was only pointing it out to say that any of the real money values in that quote are useless. They did not acquire a 4th round pick for 74k, they got it for the AAV retention. It would be more useful to say that they got a 4th round pick from TO for retaining 1.8M AAV (even though it's prorated and more messy that that, but the point holds).

if a team has a lot of cap space that they’re are not not planning on using, the cap hit they are taking on is less relevant the real money. The cap space has no value (cap space only has value if you’re going to use it.).

 

[Gilmour1996]

If all they did from here to TDL was to get Tanner Jeannot, I'd be happy. He even looks a bit like Zach Hyman. I don't want Keefe to feel like he has to play Simmonds anymore, especially in the playoffs.

 

[Gabriel426]

If all they did from here to TDL was to get Tanner Jeannot, I'd be happy. I don't want Keefe to feel like he has to play Simmonds anymore, especially in the playoffs.

Unless there is a huge injury crisis, don’t think Simmonds will play in the playoffs.

 

[Burnie97]

For the Leafs, their bottom six just needs to have players not afraid to go hard to the net and not afraid to shoot.
Ideally, Bunting and Brown are perfect for the 3rd line. Engvall got the size but he is afraid to drive the net, Kerfoot drives to the net but he doesn’t shoot, Kap drives to the net and shoot but his shot is below par, AJ actually does all of that but he gets injured too much.

I agree with all of that pretty much... although... highlighted...

He does he just sucks at it.

Guy would probably have 20 goals already if he hit the net or could pick a corner once in a while.

 

[sxvnert]

Jenner $3,750,000 (3yrs left)
Gavrikov $2,800,000 (UFA)
Korpisalo $1,300,000 (UFA)
$7,850,000

for

Sandin $1,400,000
B Prospect (Robertson/Holmberg/Niemelä/Kokkonen)
Woll $766,667
Murray $4,687,500
Engvall $2,250,000
ZAR $840,630
$9,950,467

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Bunting Matthews Nylander
Tavares O'Reilly Marner
McMann Jenner Jarnkrok
Kerfoot Acciari Kampf

Rielly Lily
Gio Brodie
Gavrikov Holl

Samsonov
Korpisalo

 

[Gabriel426]

I agree with all of that pretty much... although... highlighted...

He does he just sucks at it.

Guy would probably have 20 goals already if he hit the net or could pick a corner once in a while.

Not really, he is very hesitant when it comes to shooting mainly bc he sucks at it, lol.

 

[Burnie97]

Not really, he is very hesitant when it comes to shooting mainly bc he sucks at it, lol.

Okay I guess we can come to an agreement on that lol