Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[Fogelhund]

I would be very reluctant to trade Sandin for a veteran. He is all we have on the left side for young defenseman.

Between Lilly, Timmins, Niemela, Villeneuve, etc we're set up extremely well on the right side tho.

Agreed... the only way I move out Sandin, is if we manage to get a fire sale deal on Chychrun, another young LD... albeit an upgrade.

 

[kb]

Always liked Jensen, I wonder if Jensen and one of Sheary or Johansson for Kerfoot plus 2 prospects not named Niemela, Knies, or Minten. Perhaps Kerfoot, Robertson, and Hollowell?

 

[TheDoldrums]

Always liked Jensen, I wonder if Jensen and one of Sheary or Johansson for Kerfoot plus 2 prospects not named Niemela, Knies, or Minten. Perhaps Kerfoot, Robertson, and Hollowell?

Interesting that you value Minten over Robertson.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Michael Russo of The Athletic notes that the Wild are spending $86,000 in actual dollars to buy a 2023 fifth-rounder from Boston; they spent $74,000 for a 2025 fourth-rounder from Toronto. All in all, more smart use of cap space to facilitate two trades for pending unrestricted free agents. More teams should take notes.

If you're highlighting that paragraph to incorrectly suggest we got bad value on retention, it's important to remember that O'Rielly's cap hit was more, and our pick was 3 drafts from now, while Boston gave a pick this year.

 

[Mess]

We'd be pulling more pucks out of the back of our net but at least we can say we finished our check, is that what you're after bruh?

Don't worry about Luke Schenn he already hoisted 2 X Stanley Cups with the Tampa Bay Lightening recently.

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Lightning Round: Tampa Bay Lightning exploring Luke Schenn return from Vancouver​

The Tampa Bay Lightning have their sights set on the return of defenseman Luke Schenn heading toward the trade deadline in a month and a half. Schenn was a 6/7 defenseman for the Lightning during both their Cup runs, playing about 10 minutes a night in 19 playoff games

 

[TMLAM34]

Always liked Jensen, I wonder if Jensen and one of Sheary or Johansson for Kerfoot plus 2 prospects not named Niemela, Knies, or Minten. Perhaps Kerfoot, Robertson, and Hollowell?

Sheary would be a low key solid pickup. Smaller player but plays with high energy and isn’t afraid to shoot and go into dirty areas.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Sheary would be a low key solid pickup. Smaller player but plays with high energy and isn’t afraid to shoot and go into dirty areas.

He has more of a shooter's mentality than Kerfoot, I like it.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Don't worry about Luke Schenn he already hoisted 2 X Stanley Cups with the Tampa Bay Lightening recently.

...as a #7-9 defenseman that sat out the majority of games and barely played when he was in.*

 

[Mess]

If you're highlighting that paragraph to incorrectly suggest we got bad value on retention, it's important to remember that O'Rielly's cap hit was more, and our pick was 3 drafts from now, while Boston gave a pick this year.

I highlighted that paragraph for the reason the author provided.

Minny the 3rd team involved in the trade to facilitate 2 others received a 4th and 5th round draft pick for retaining $74k and $86K in real money ie, "All in all, more smart use of cap space".

I posted it because people keep asking .. "Why would Minny do this ?"

 

[kb]

Interesting that you value Minten over Robertson.

The one and only reason is positionally the Leafs have Knies, Grebyonkin, McMann, Abruzzese, (Amirov***), Steeves, Hirvonen as LW prospects, while they have virtually no C prospects outside of Holmberg, who is also an option for LW too.

 

[nuck]

Nick Jensen would be the perfect D addition. He has a mediocre reputation so he shouldn't fetch a 1st or 1st equivalent. He would allow Brodie to play LD. The Leafs can roll something like:

Rielly-Jensen
Brodie-Holl
Gio-Liljegren

I'd be comfortable with all 3 of those pairings. The question becomes: what do you do with Sandin?

But Brodie has always been better on the right side, that's why he has been there most of his career. Moving him to the left makes him worse. If they make an add before the playoffs I am pretty sure it will be on the left. Dubas is not going to make what might be his last transaction something that doesn't move the needle. The right side isn't that bad.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I highlighted that paragraph for the reason the author provided.
Minny the 3rd team involved in the trade to facilitate 2 others received a 4th and 5th round draft pick for retaining $74k and $86K in real money ie, "All in all, more smart use of cap space".
I posted it because people keep asking .. "Why would Minny do this ?"

People were asking why Minny would use their cap space to be a 3rd party retaining team and add draft picks?
Weird, I haven't heard that at all. It happens all the time and seems pretty straightforward.

 

[justashadowof]

The next time a certain uber-wealthy organization goes into rebuild mode I hope they take note of the many opportunities to buy draft picks through cap retention. Go as close to the cap floor as possible then buy draft picks and LTIR deals to the maximum.

 

[Macallan18]

People were asking why Minny would use their cap space to be a 3rd party retaining team and add draft picks?
Weird, I haven't heard that at all. It happens all the time and seems pretty straightforward.

and the actual amount of out of pocket on these deals is usually not massive.

 

[rocketman588]

I think it was supposed to be both Muzzin and Jensen as adds, not just Jake since Muzzin was already on the trade before that TDL and Jack says that discussion was happening at that time.

Makes a bit more sense in that case but I can still see why he didn't want to run Jensen and Dermott.

They tried the same thing the next year with Barrie and had no role for him. You can't just role out puck movers. Even we've figured that out

and the actual amount of out of pocket on these deals is usually not massive.

The big issue is in theory they should be using that cap space to add pieces. Considering they're about to get wrecked by those buyouts the next two years

 

[Kurtz]

The next time a certain uber-wealthy organization goes into rebuild mode I hope they take note of the many opportunities to buy draft picks through cap retention. Go as close to the cap floor as possible then buy draft picks and LTIR deals to the maximum.

Yep, we definitely missed the boat on that one during our rebuild years. With our luck, I wouldn't be surprised to see the likes of Arizona moved to a profitable market and the cap going away entirely the moment we go into a rebuild.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Jensen would be a big upgrade on Holl. He'd be my #1 target

 

[rocketman588]

Yep, we definitely missed the boat on that one during our rebuild years. With our luck, I wouldn't be surprised to see the likes of Arizona moved to a profitable market and the cap going away entirely the moment we go into a rebuild.

Zona is never being moved. You can go on their website and still get non resale tickets at their 5000 seat arena same day ( so they're not selling it out)

If they weren't doing it now they're never going to

 

[hamzarocks]

Always liked Jensen, I wonder if Jensen and one of Sheary or Johansson for Kerfoot plus 2 prospects not named Niemela, Knies, or Minten. Perhaps Kerfoot, Robertson, and Hollowell?

I'd rather aim higher if Robertson is on the move

1st + Robertson for a legit top 6 winger

 

[leafsfan5]

Jensen + Sheary would complete the team, 2 ideal targets

Get it done pleaseeeeee

 

[Americanadian]

But Brodie has always been better on the right side, that's why he has been there most of his career. Moving him to the left makes him worse. If they make an add before the playoffs I am pretty sure it will be on the left. Dubas is not going to make what might be his last transaction something that doesn't move the needle. The right side isn't that bad.

In the last 2 seasons with the Leafs he has put up better results on the left side.

 

[Morgs]

Don't worry about Luke Schenn he already hoisted 2 X Stanley Cups with the Tampa Bay Lightening recently.

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Lightning Round: Tampa Bay Lightning exploring Luke Schenn return from Vancouver​

The Tampa Bay Lightning have their sights set on the return of defenseman Luke Schenn heading toward the trade deadline in a month and a half. Schenn was a 6/7 defenseman for the Lightning during both their Cup runs, playing about 10 minutes a night in 19 playoff games

Playing like half the games and had like a 10 minute ATOI.

 

[kb]

I'd rather aim higher if Robertson is on the move

1st + Robertson for a legit top 6 winger

Oh, I get that, but IMO it's arguably more important to get Holl out of top-4 minutes than it would be to upgrade Sheary to someone 'legit'. Plus they wouldn't have to pay for any salary retention.

Jensen is legit on RD - he could babysit Sandin on the bottom pair, or take the hard matchup role. At RD with Brodie, Liljegren, and Jensen, they will never be caught in a mismatch situation like occasionally happens with Holl and Timmins.

Sheary is solid, and has the chops to play in the middle 6 with skill players.

Need a low-key good move, as the Leafs don't want to blow all asset this year if it isn't necessary.

 

[ryno23]

I would do a Nick Jensen and one of Craig Smith/Lars Eller for Justin Holl and Kerfoot. You upgrade on Holl and Eller or Smith goes to 3C and you don't waste 3.5 of Kerfoot on the 3rd line. Getting a 3C keeps O'Reilly with Mitch and JT.

I assume you will have to part with a prospect but nothing major.

 

[hamzarocks]

Oh, I get that, but IMO it's arguably more important to get Holl out of top-4 minutes than it would be to upgrade Sheary to someone 'legit'. Plus they wouldn't have to pay for any salary retention.





Jensen is legit on RD - he could babysit Sandin on the bottom pair, or take the hard matchup role. At RD with Brodie, Liljegren, and Jensen, they will never be caught in a mismatch situation like occasionally happens with Holl and Timmins.


Sheary is solid, and has the chops to play in the middle 6 with skill players.



Need a low-key good move, as the Leafs don't want to blow all asset this year if it isn't necessar

That's fair and good reasoning

I'd do the deal if the caps were down to sell to Toronto (which they should as long as no better offer as we have no issues with their management group