Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[Fogelhund]

Sandin
3rd
Kerfoot
Holl
Robertson

for

Jeannot
Ekholm

Fits on the cap

Sandin = Ekholm - Nashville gets younger
Robertson+3rd for Jeannot = fair

If they can liquidate the other 2, they're getting some other 3rd and 4ths etc

Doubt it happens.

It's interesting, but I don't know how much stronger our D is, with Ekholm + Timmins vs. Sandin + Holl... I have no issues moving either Sandin, or Holl... for the right pieces, but I doubt it helps us if we move both, and insert Timmins into the lineup at this point.

 

[WTFMAN99]

It's interesting, but I don't know how much stronger our D is, with Ekholm + Timmins vs. Sandin + Holl... I have no issues moving either Sandin, or Holl... for the right pieces, but I doubt it helps us if we move both, and insert Timmins into the lineup at this point.

Ekholm-Brodie
Rielly-Liljegren
Giordano-Timmins
Benn-Mete

I wouldn't mind Mete going in to add mobility but they've re-signed Timmins.

 

[dubplatepressure]

It's interesting, but I don't know how much stronger our D is, with Ekholm + Timmins vs. Sandin + Holl... I have no issues moving either Sandin, or Holl... for the right pieces, but I doubt it helps us if we move both, and insert Timmins into the lineup at this point.

The way I see this, Holl should be getting bottom pairing minutes anyway. The fact they're overplaying him regularly means by replacing him with someone who can actually handle a top-4 workload, we get better. Jordie Benn may be another gritty call up for the playoff run that may work out if Timmins is struggling.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

I don't see a ton the Leafs can really do honestly. The majority of remaining targets are rentals and the Leafs probably don't want to shell out more draft capital for rentals.

They also are probably less likely to grab someone with term now that they have ROR - presumably they'd like to preserve some cap flexibility to see if they can retain him beyond this year, which I think is the right move.

If they wanted to get really creative they could try to move Kerfoot/Holl/Kampf types to contenders for picks, and then flip those picks for better "fits" on the existing roster. That is a lot of juggling, could upset the room, and might just not be worth it anyway though.

I imagine they're looking at some more creative moves just given how this front office operates, but with a week before the deadline and the related factors above, I doubt we see much more from them.

Happy to be wrong though.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[dubplatepressure]

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There it is. Better stats across the board. Happen to have one for Schenn too?

 

[ToneDog]

I don't see a ton the Leafs can really do honestly. The majority of remaining targets are rentals and the Leafs probably don't want to shell out more draft capital for rentals.

They also are probably less likely to grab someone with term now that they have ROR - presumably they'd like to preserve some cap flexibility to see if they can retain him beyond this year, which I think is the right move.

If they wanted to get really creative they could try to move Kerfoot/Holl/Kampf types to contenders for picks, and then flip those picks for better "fits" on the existing roster. That is a lot of juggling, could upset the room, and might just not be worth it anyway though.

I imagine they're looking at some more creative moves just given how this front office operates, but with a week before the deadline and the related factors above, I doubt we see much more from them.

Happy to be wrong though.

Dubas has another bullet and I'm betting he will use it on a dman.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

There it is. Better stats across the board. Happen to have one for Schenn too?

 

[1specter]

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Jensen >>>>>>> Soucy, Schenn, Holl etc. This is no contest.

 

[Puckstuff]

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I'm not sure what it would take to get Jensen. Seems like it could cost 2nd + good prospect if he's available. But I don't know if the Capitals will nuke half their d-core either to make him available.

 

[1specter]

I'm not sure what it would take to get Jensen. Seems like it could cost 2nd + top prospect if he's available. But I don't know if the Capitals will nuke half their d-core either to make him available.

When the Wings traded him to Washington back in 2019, they sent Jensen+5th for Bowey+2nd. Bowey at that point in time was a dime a dozen depth guy. Jensen is one of those guys who is not a 'sexy' name and gets undervalued/underrated compared to names like Soucy, Schenn, Gavrikov etc, very similar to a Dylan DeMelo type. Even his contract reflects that as he signed for 2.5M AAV x 4 yrs.

I'm hoping we can get him for a similar price or less.

 

[weems]

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What is their definition of usage?

Because if you look at Dzone 5v5 starts. Jensen is at 15.7% vs Holl at 10%.

That number for Jensen ranks him #2 in the entire league of defensemen who've played at least 1000 minutes.

Not trying to get into a argument about who is better, just that zone starts are a super important factor of how or why a certain players numbers look a certain way.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

Dubas has another bullet and I'm betting he will use it on a dman.

I just don't see a whole lot of D that move the needle. I like Jensen, think that would be a strong target for them.

The problem for the Leafs is whoever they acquire on D needs to be better than what they already have. Anyone better than what they already have is likely to cost a 1st, and i'm not sure the Leafs are going to go down that road.

They could acquire a depth D, and i anticipate if they can't get an everyday D they still might get a 7th D for cheap (Justin Braun for a late round pick type?). Not sure he would suit up game one of the playoffs.

 

[The Podium]

What is their definition of usage?

Because if you look at Dzone 5v5 starts. Jensen is at 15.7% vs Holl at 10%.

That number for Jensen ranks him #2 in the entire league of defensemen who've played at least 1000 minutes.

Not trying to get into a argument about who is better, just that zone starts are a super important factor of how or why a certain players numbers look a certain way.

Zone starts are a poor reflection of usage since the majority of line changes are on the fly.

 

[Stephen]

100%.
I still have faith that Dubas will still add to strengthen though.

I would think so. Adding a Schenn if he chose to go that route would be relative low hanging fruit to what he’s already accomplished. So let’s see what happens.

 

[SprDaVE]

I just don't see a whole lot of D that move the needle. I like Jensen, think that would be a strong target for them.

The problem for the Leafs is whoever they acquire on D needs to be better than what they already have. Anyone better than what they already have is likely to cost a 1st, and i'm not sure the Leafs are going to go down that road.

They could acquire a depth D, and i anticipate if they can't get an everyday D they still might get a 7th D for cheap (Justin Braun for a late round pick type?). Not sure he would suit up game one of the playoffs.

I am at that impasse as well. Even a depth D seems redundant since the Leafs have 8 healthy D for the most part. They could dump Benn but he's been pretty good for his role, so seems like a waste of assets.

I don't see any D that move the needle and certainly make us better unless they go really big. They can add a different element like Gavrikov or Schenn but that won't help us win very much, it's side ways level moves at best. Jensen would be a very minor upgrade on Holl. We talk like the Leafs D is bad but it's been really good compared to everyone other than probably Boston now. Leafs added 2 VERY good defensive forwards and every line has a lot of 2-way capabilities, probably the best in the East.

Should be interesting what happens. One injury in the next week and everything changes.

 

[weems]

Zone starts are a poor reflection of usage since the majority of line changes are on the fly.

They are still useful when looking at how certain players are being deployed.

Like imagine comparing Jensen to Sandin.

One guy is starting 15% of the time in the defensive zone while the other only 7.5% of the time.

One guy is starting 60% of the time on the fly vs the other 71% of the time.

The second guy is playing under much more favorable conditions and being put in a better position to put up good advanced stats.

 

[Americanadian]

What is their definition of usage?

Without true knowledge of the variables used I believe QoC and QoT are heavy factors. This is why you see every defenseman on Anaheim has a high usage number due to low QoT (every defenseman is 85th percentile or above). Whereas Toronto's D has low usage (between 25th and 60th percentile) because they have high QoT.

 

[Americanadian]

Nick Jensen would be the perfect D addition. He has a mediocre reputation so he shouldn't fetch a 1st or 1st equivalent. He would allow Brodie to play LD. The Leafs can roll something like:

Rielly-Jensen
Brodie-Holl
Gio-Liljegren

I'd be comfortable with all 3 of those pairings. The question becomes: what do you do with Sandin?

 

[Kurtz]

Zone starts are a poor reflection of usage since the majority of line changes are on the fly.

Going to disagree with you there - it is an excellent indicator of the player's role on the team. If that role is clearly evident during dead puck, it is unlikely to be different during live changes.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

In an alternate reality Jensen is already a Leaf but Mike Babcock discouraged the idea.



Gardiner and Dermott both suffered significant injuries shortly after and the D-Corps really struggled after the deadline passed and it was too late to add. Had Babcock set aside his ego maybe the Leafs would’ve fared better in the regular season and playoffs.

 

[1specter]

Nick Jensen would be the perfect D addition. He has a mediocre reputation so he shouldn't fetch a 1st or 1st equivalent. He would allow Brodie to play LD. The Leafs can roll something like:

Rielly-Jensen
Brodie-Holl
Gio-Liljegren

I'd be comfortable with all 3 of those pairings. The question becomes: what do you do with Sandin?

I would get Jensen to replace Holl's minutes, not shift Sandin out of the lineup. Keep Brodie on the right side along with Jensen and Liljegren and we're set.

 

[jiggy35]

Nick Jensen would be the perfect D addition. He has a mediocre reputation so he shouldn't fetch a 1st or 1st equivalent. He would allow Brodie to play LD. The Leafs can roll something like:

Rielly-Jensen
Brodie-Holl
Gio-Liljegren

I'd be comfortable with all 3 of those pairings. The question becomes: what do you do with Sandin?

Would rather
Rielly - Jensen
Sandin - Brodie
Gio - Lilly

Holl/Timmins/Benn as injury/underperformance insurance

 

[Jozay]

I dont see the point in Schenn.

If the Leafs go for a dman, it needs to be a big swing imo.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Jensen would be a great add that fits the blue line well stylistically

Replace him for Holl please if they’re not adding a big name