Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[rocketman588]

In an alternate reality Jensen is already a Leaf but Mike Babcock discouraged the idea.



Gardiner and Dermott both suffered significant injuries shortly after and the D-Corps really struggled after the deadline passed and it was too late to add. Had Babcock set aside his ego maybe the Leafs would’ve fared better in the regular season and playoffs.

Was he wrong not wanting to play with 4 puck moving D?

Especially considering Dermott was never really that great?

Instead we got Muzzin who filled (and still fills ) a bigger need for us

 

[ULF_55]

Nick Jensen would be the perfect D addition. He has a mediocre reputation so he shouldn't fetch a 1st or 1st equivalent. He would allow Brodie to play LD. The Leafs can roll something like:

Rielly-Jensen
Brodie-Holl
Gio-Liljegren

I'd be comfortable with all 3 of those pairings. The question becomes: what do you do with Sandin?

You keep the 13th. youngest defenseman to play over 35 games this year and continue to develop him.

Not you Americanadian, but others who know who they are ...
Just because he's a Leafs' player doesn't mean he's finished developing before playing 200 games. Funny how it is widely known it takes over 200-300 games for a NHL defender to approach their peak, except on the Leafs, where they've peaked and won't get any better after 130 games.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Was he wrong not wanting to play with 4 puck moving D?

Especially considering Dermott was never really that great?

Instead we got Muzzin who filled (and still fills ) a bigger need for us

I think it was supposed to be both Muzzin and Jensen as adds, not just Jake since Muzzin was already on the trade before that TDL and Jack says that discussion was happening at that time.

 

[weems]

Interesting stat.

Of defensemen who've played at least 795 minutes 5V5, Sandin ranks #1 overall in % of shift starts on the fly

 

[1specter]

Jensen would be a very minor upgrade on Holl.

Look at the charts above, and the percentile rankings for GSVA, along with the raw GSVA number. Definitely more than 'very minor'.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Nick Jensen would be the perfect D addition. He has a mediocre reputation so he shouldn't fetch a 1st or 1st equivalent. He would allow Brodie to play LD. The Leafs can roll something like:

Rielly-Jensen
Brodie-Holl
Gio-Liljegren

I'd be comfortable with all 3 of those pairings. The question becomes: what do you do with Sandin?

Holl can't be in the top 4.

Brodie-Jensen
Rielly-Liljegren
Gio-Holl

I don't even like Holl in our top 6, he'd be like #8-9th D on Boston

Could add Eller too if they want to keep ROR at 2C and have Eller at 3C

 

[SprDaVE]

Look at the charts above, and the percentile rankings for GSVA, along with the raw GSVA number. Definitely more than 'very minor'.

I see them and I'm aware. I don't see that as a big upgrade at all, it's not going to propel the defense from good to great going from Holl to Jensen. It would be a fairly minor step up in quality but hardly a move that changes everything.

I've pushed to acquire Jensen for a long time, he's good. I think Dubas would love to get Jensen as well, it all depends on price and all that.

If anything I hope the Leafs get Jensen and sit out Holl or whatever because this way I don't have to keep reading everyone blaming Holl for everything.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

If Leafs are looking to add Jensen or any defenseman it should be with the express purpose of removing Holl from the lineup.

Rielly-Brodie
Gio-Liljegren
Sandin-Jensen

Not sure how good Jensen is at defending the front of the net but he can’t be that much worse than Holl who let Columbus eat his lunch there just a little while ago.

 

[tmlfan98]

Glad to see everyone else finally hopping on the "replace Holl with Nick Jensen" train. I've been saying this since at least early December. I was also one of the people who originally wanted him the year that Detroit ended up moving him to the Caps.

 

[ER89]

I still want another forward.

Jensen+a guy like bjuhstad if you can't get a big fish and call it a day

 

[dubplatepressure]

I still want another forward.

Jensen+a guy like bjuhstad if you can't get a big fish and call it a day

Tanner Jeannot

 

[OVO16]

Tanner Jeannot

Nashville winning last night didn't help our case. They need to keep losing because Friedman keeps sayng that Poile still hasn't decided if they want to sell yet since they're technically still in the running for a playoff spot

I want Jeannot so bad

 

[Fogelhund]

What is their definition of usage?

Because if you look at Dzone 5v5 starts. Jensen is at 15.7% vs Holl at 10%.

That number for Jensen ranks him #2 in the entire league of defensemen who've played at least 1000 minutes.

Not trying to get into a argument about who is better, just that zone starts are a super important factor of how or why a certain players numbers look a certain way.

I get where you are going there, and certainly Jensen's usage is impressive for his results. That being said, Washington has far more dZone starts than Toronto... so it's hard to compare in some ways.

 

[Americanadian]

I would get Jensen to replace Holl's minutes, not shift Sandin out of the lineup. Keep Brodie on the right side along with Jensen and Liljegren and we're set.

I'm getting a lot of responses similar to this. My question to everyone saying Sandin would play over Holl: do you actually think Keefe would do that?

 

[dubplatepressure]

I'm getting a lot of responses similar to this. My question to everyone saying Sandin would play over Holl: do you actually think Keefe would do that?

I doubt Holl would be on the team - he's likely going the other way to balance the cap out.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Sandin for McDonagh is a good hockey trade. I don't see how thats under rate Sandin.

McDonagh was literally just dumped for negative value last offseason, is having a bad year, and you think trading away a well-performing 22 year old NHL defenseman for him is "a good hockey trade"??

 

[Fogelhund]

I'm getting a lot of responses similar to this. My question to everyone saying Sandin would play over Holl: do you actually think Keefe would do that?

If Holl was traded out for Jensen... Probably, yes. I don't see a scenario where we acquire a D man, and don't ship another out. If it's a RD that comes in, then we move a RD out... If it's a LD, a LD goes out...

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I'm getting a lot of responses similar to this. My question to everyone saying Sandin would play over Holl: do you actually think Keefe would do that?

Maybe, but like last playoffs it’d be an extremely short leash. Keefe had Liljegren in the lineup over Holl for games 1 and 2 but after getting smoked in Game 2 Keefe went back to his boy and never tried Lilly again, even after the Leafs suffered an even worse defeat in Game 4. But I could see a world where Keefe gives Sandin a chance but any mistake would cost Rasmus.

 

[weems]

I get where you are going there, and certainly Jensen's usage is impressive for his results. That being said, Washington has far more dZone starts than Toronto... so it's hard to compare in some ways.

It's also difficult to truly judge because a teams ability to win faceoffs is important with how your defensive zone deployment results end up.

Toronto ranks much higher than WAS in team faceoff win %, so more often Jensen is having to actually defend right after that defensive zone faceoff whereas in theory Holl not as much because we will get the puck right away more.

 

[Americanadian]

I doubt Holl would be on the team - he's likely going the other way to balance the cap out.

I just don't see Dubas moving on from Holl and I just don't see Keefe moving Holl out of the lineup for Sandin.

If Holl was traded out for Jensen... Probably, yes. I don't see a scenario where we acquire a D man, and don't ship another out. If it's a RD that comes in, then we move a RD out... If it's a LD, a LD goes out...

I can see a scenario where Jensen comes in and Sandin gets moved for a younger F. Maybe even a Jeannot.

 

[ER89]

Tanner Jeannot

nsh probably wants a lot for him and I don't think he deserves the asking price.


But yeah he'd def work.

 

[Judas Tavares]

Those assets on Nashville are nice but. I fear dealing with them would be a pain. The team is in a bad spot with a lot of players on long-term bloated deals. Meaning retention would be costly or non-existent. Can't imagine them wanting to retain on guys like Ekholm or McDonagh for years. Like our prospect pool, they are forward heavy, so maybe they would have interest in Sandin and Niemela. Poile also doesn't seem like a true rebuild guy, so maybe he would prefer a player like Robertson (and Sandin) who already has NHL experience vs something further down the line.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I would be very reluctant to trade Sandin for a veteran. He is all we have on the left side for young defenseman.

Between Lilly, Timmins, Niemela, Villeneuve, etc we're set up extremely well on the right side tho.

 

[Mess]

Minnesota Wild: B+

If the Arizona Coyotes are the team that acquires contracts with "dead cap space" -- as they recently did in picking up Shea Weber's contract from Vegas -- the Wild are officially the NHL's Third-Party Trade Broker.

The Capitals retained 50% of Orlov's $5.1 million cap hit. The Wild then picked up 25% of that, bringing his AAV down to $1.275 million by the time the Bruins landed him.

This was the same play GM Bill Guerin used in helping to facilitate the Ryan O'Reilly trade between the St. Louis Blues and Toronto Maple Leafs. In that deal, the Wild sent forward Josh Pillar, a 2019 fourth-round pick, to Toronto in exchange for the Leafs' 2025 fourth-round pick. In this deal, they sent Svetlakov to the Capitals while receiving a 2023 fifth-round pick.

Michael Russo of The Athletic notes that the Wild are spending $86,000 in actual dollars to buy a 2023 fifth-rounder from Boston; they spent $74,000 for a 2025 fourth-rounder from Toronto. All in all, more smart use of cap space to facilitate two trades for pending unrestricted free agents. More teams should take notes.

 

[Zero1]

With all these stupid prices for defenseman, the Leafs can’t get a 2nd for Holl?

Leafs get: Chychrun + 2023 Oilers 2nd + 2025 Oilers 3rd
Oilers get: Kerfoot @ 50% retained via Coyotes + Holl
Coyotes get: Puljujärvi + Sandin + Robertson + 2024 Leafs 1st + 2025 Oilers 3rd

Caps get: 2023 Oilers 2nd
Leafs get: Jensen

Bunting-Matthews-Nylander
Jarnkrok-Tavares-Marner
Knies-O’Reilly-Envgall
ZAR-Kampf-Acciari

Rielly-Brodie
Chychrun-Jensen
Gio-Liljegren