Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[SprDaVE]

Last couple games we're starting to see how good and important Sandin is. Timmins is pretty solid but Sandin is just on another level of good to me, especially with his zone breakouts. I bring this up because of the chatter of throwing Sandin into almost anything that is bigger defensively.

 

[OVO16]

Yeah Timmins didn't help himself at all. Not good enough defensively and not physical enough to be in the playoff lineup. Too mistake-prone.

Sandin is obviously crucial but I think it's obvious the leafs are going to be adding a defenseman now for better depth

 

[Sypher04]

Last couple games we're starting to see how good and important Sandin is. Timmins is pretty solid but Sandin is just on another level of good to me, especially with his zone breakouts. I bring this up because of the chatter of throwing Sandin into almost anything that is bigger defensively.

Yeah I don’t agree with the proposals we keep seeing including Sandin. I wish he were quicker on his feet, but he is still progressing well and valuable to us. All while being super cheap, both this year and next

 

[BertCorbeau]

Yeah I don’t agree with the proposals we keep seeing including Sandin. I wish he were quicker on his feet, but he is still progressing well and valuable to us

Yeah there's no need move him unless you're getting a clear upgrade with multiple years of control.

 

[sxvnert]

Rielly Lily
Brodie Murphy
Giordano Holl

 

[GQS]

The only chance we have to sign him is if he decides he wants to be in Toronto and takes less to make it happen. That was the same before that great period as it is after.

If O'Reilly likes playing with this team and considering he's in his 30s now, I wouldn't be too surprised to see him re-sign here while taking somewhat of a pay cut. Maybe somewhere in the 5 million area at most and you don't keep Kerfoot or Engvall?

 

[GQS]

Yeah Timmins didn't help himself at all. Not good enough defensively and not physical enough to be in the playoff lineup. Too mistake-prone.

Sandin is obviously crucial but I think it's obvious the leafs are going to be adding a defenseman now for better depth

I wouldn't give up on Timmins just yet. He looked pretty good when he first played here. Making good decisions and not making too many mistakes. Seems like he gets into trouble more when he's trying to pinch a little too much so maybe he should hang back more and not try to go on the offense as often.

 

[sxvnert]

Well if ROR keeps scoring like this we will have no chance at an extension

A bargain extension would be 5.5m x 4yr. Rather give him the money and tell Bunting to take a hike.

Knies Matthews Nylander
Tavares ROR Marner

Find a #3C on the cheap this summer.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I wouldn't give up on Timmins just yet. He looked pretty good when he first played here. Making good decisions and not making too many mistakes. Seems like he gets into trouble more when he's trying to pinch a little too much so maybe he should hang back more and not try to go on the offense as often.

Agreed. Kid has 62 NHL games under his belt through multiple injured seasons. He's the same age as Liljegren.

He needs some refinement and maturity in his game. It's nice they have him cheap for 2 more years because that's the perfect amount of time needed to gauge his development curve.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Last couple games we're starting to see how good and important Sandin is. Timmins is pretty solid but Sandin is just on another level of good to me, especially with his zone breakouts. I bring this up because of the chatter of throwing Sandin into almost anything that is bigger defensively.

Great post! Dmen take a while to develop, remember when Liljegren was similarly being traded here every day a couple of years ago? I mean nobody is untouchable, but I'll say it again - those two are the future of our defence.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

Hello Patrick Kane.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Hello Patrick Kane.

Yup .. ROR is an experiment in chemistry because there will probably be situations late in games when you need a goal and need to load your top 6

Matthews-JT-ROR-Kampf down the middle give the Leafs' the deepest forwardline up in any given game .. they just need to mix in this right wingers:

Bunting-Matthews-Nylander
_______ - Tavares - Marner
_______ - ROR - _______
_______ - Kampf - Acciari

That's a good foundation. With who they have now:

Bunting-Matthews-Nylander
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Marner
Kerfoot - ROR - Engvall
ZAR - Kampf - Acciari

From the Marlies I think it goes: Holmberg, McMann, Anderson, Steeves for the best call up options. All four can fit in those bottom 6 lines nicely.

I'm still pro moving Kerfoot for an upgrade .. But I think the org values his ability to play centre too much. Engvall is another name but his size and speed aren't always easy to replace.

 

[1specter]

Yup .. ROR is an experiment in chemistry because there will probably be situations late in games when you need a goal and need to load your top 6

Matthews-JT-ROR-Kampf down the middle give the Leafs' the deepest forwardline up in any given game .. they just need to mix in this right wingers:

Bunting-Matthews-Nylander
_______ - Tavares - Marner
_______ - ROR - _______
_______ - Kampf - Acciari

That's a good foundation. With who they have now:

Bunting-Matthews-Nylander
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Marner
Kerfoot - ROR - Engvall
ZAR - Kampf - Acciari

From the Marlies I think it goes: Holmberg, McMann, Anderson, Steeves for the best call up options. All four can fit in those bottom 6 lines nicely.

I'm still pro moving Kerfoot for an upgrade .. But I think the org values his ability to play centre too much. Engvall is another name but his size and speed aren't always easy to replace.

I think we need to move on from Kerfoot. He's just kinda there and 4 years into his tenure with the Leafs the dude still doesn't have a defined role on the team.

 

[cyris]

I think we need to move on from Kerfoot. He's just kinda there and 4 years into his tenure with the Leafs the dude still doesn't have a defined role on the team.

The only thing that ever made me hesitant to move him was his ability to play 2nd line C if someone gets hurt.
But now that ROR is on the team we really don’t need him for that roll anymore. He really doesn’t have a purpose that can’t be filled better and cheaper now

 

[meefer]

We're so close to being the team I have been hoping to see. There are 3 areas of concern, and while I don't think we can fix them all, one can dream.

An upgrade on either Kerfoot or Engvall, and I don't know which one. Watching Acciari play makes me hope for a similar pick-up, if such is available. Give me about the same in production, but in a player more engaged, and I'd be happy.

I debate myself between Holl and Sandin being moved, but with Sandin signed for another year I tend to lean more towards moving Holl. But I see Sandin being the more attractive 'get'.

As a base, does a Sandin and Kerfoot for Orlov/Jensen and Hathaway make sense? Spitballing here, I don't know if Hathaway offers something like Acciari does.

Between the pipes. Craig Anderson, 1.5M, 0.914/2.86, 0.929/2.68 with Washington over 2 games in last year's playoffs. Hildeby and Joey Anderson for Craig at 50%? Cap neutral.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Ideal deadline for me is shipping out Kerfoot, replacing him on the 4th line with McMann.

Use the Kerfoot cap space + assets to upgrade the back end.

This team is there.

 

[OVO16]

Ideal deadline for me is shipping out Kerfoot, replacing him on the 4th line with McMann.

Use the Kerfoot cap space + assets to upgrade the back end.

This team is there.

Yeah I was thinking using Kerfoot + prospects/Marlies to get a depth defender who can slot into the defense right away.

And then replacing kerfoot with either McMann or Knies

 

[Gabriel426]

Absolutely no doubt left in my mind that Kerfoot has to go by the TDL.

No question it is better for us, but I'm starting to think it's better for him too.

He's never been a player that I've particularly liked, but he's just completely off right now. He looks like his confidence is shot and he's overthinking everything.

While not a player I ever really liked, I respect the effort and durability he brings every game. I think the writing is on the wall here, with Acciari making it more painfully obvious all the things that Kerfoot isn't vs all the things we need, and costing $3.5m in the process.

What's the point of an army knife that doesn't fit in any of your pockets?

The guy will still have some value somewhere, but he needs to move on and we need to bring in McMann or Holmberg to put on that 4RW with ZAR and Acciari. That line will bring a lot every game.

Absolutely do not want to see Kerfoot here past the deadline and then walk as a UFA. It would be poor asset management for a player that won't factor into any playoff success we have.

Kerfoot is more like the stuff that you leave in your garage and crawl space, even though they are useless but you just don’t want to throw them away bc it cost you money to get them.

Hello Patrick Kane.

Kane, Kane, Kane, lol

 

[Gabriel426]

The more I think about it, I really want Holmberg, McMann and Anderson to play and train with guys like ROR and esp Acciari to learn how to play the bottom 6 roles, bc we really don’t have players like that. Spezza was great but he was a top player and ended up being 4th liner due to age.

 

[LeafSteel]

Agreed. Kid has 62 NHL games under his belt through multiple injured seasons. He's the same age as Liljegren.

He needs some refinement and maturity in his game. It's nice they have him cheap for 2 more years because that's the perfect amount of time needed to gauge his development curve.

People need to remember this when it comes to Timmins. He is literally in the first year of his NHL career.

From what I can see he has a lot of good and promising tools to work with, with a surprising physicality that I wouldn’t expect from someone with his injury history.

He’s going to have his growing pains and every player makes mistakes, but the kid has to get into the lineup without fear of consequences for every mistake.

Great mentors here in Gio and Brodie from him to learn from.

Invest the time in developing this kid properly and he could be a very good piece for us for years to come.

 

[Torontonian]

Ideally we upgrade on Holl and Engvall and have some fun come Spring, upgrading Engvall would be nice, but Holl spot must be upgraded.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

I like Kerfoot on line 4.

I wish we had a power forward for every line though

 

[Puckstuff]

Ideal deadline for me is shipping out Kerfoot, replacing him on the 4th line with McMann.

Use the Kerfoot cap space + assets to upgrade the back end.

This team is there.

If Kerfoot needs to go to make room for an elite top 3 D they will definitely do it. Elite D + McMann at LW > Kerfoot + Holl. The issue is finding a trading partner for that elite D. Cap space isn’t the issue with this one.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

If Kerfoot needs to go to make room for an elite top 3 D they will definitely do it. Elite D + McMann at LW > Kerfoot + Holl. The issue is finding a trading partner for that elite D. Cap space isn’t the issue with this one.

If You’re getting a top 3 D, Sandin or Lilly is going the other way

 

[Puckstuff]

If You’re getting a top 3 D, Sandin or Lilly is going the other way

Yeah it’s hard to envision getting a top 3 D. Outside of Knies and Lilly (who I want to keep) I don’t know if teams will be interested in Nimela tier prospects. I don’t even know if Sandin would get it done.