Trades and Free Agency 2021 | Trade Deadline 6 weeks away

[IrishInOntario]

good,,we don't need another winger like that

"Need" is relative. I don't know that I'd ever turn down a bonafide star 1st liner, in his prime, if the money can work and the price isn't berserk. Filip Forsberg, undeniably makes you a better team, IMO, and my only concern is roster improvement, in any form.

If that means a Filip Forsberg / Rickard Rackell type winger for the top 6, great. If that means a bonafide, quality, 2 way center for the 3rd line, that's great too because the 4th line only gets better if Engvall moves down and Vesey sits down.

 

[BlueForever75]

You guys have Filip Forsberg stuck in my head now I can’t get him out.

Would it be possible to get

forsberg
Granlund
Elkholm

all at 50% retained if we included kerfoot and vesey. Obviously the futures going back would be incredible something like two firsts , Amirov and sandin or something but the Leafs need a cup.

Thornton Matthews Marner
Forsberg Tavares Nylander
Mikyahev Engvall Hyman
Granlund Spezza Simmonds

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Elkholm Bogosian

I would only be interested in Forsberg if it were possible. The other 2 arent needed as we look to have found a 3rd line that may work in Hyman-Engvall-Micheyev.

I would be interested in Forsberg though to upgrade our top 6. A deal around Kerfoot, our 1st Rounder and prospect or 2 may entice Nashville!!!

I wouldnt be against dealing someone like Robertson if Nashville would consider retaining 50% of Forsberg's salary. I would think that is worth it.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Can I just take a step back and say, for once in a long time, that the Leafs are not deadline shopping for a top 4 d-man or a d-man of any kind and it feels wonderful?

 

[Nylanderthal]

Can I just take a step back and say, for once in a long time, that the Leafs are not deadline shopping for a top 4 d-man or a d-man of any kind and it feels wonderful?

Absolutely love this aspect. For once we don’t have a glaring hole in the middle of our line up

 

[Faltorvo]

"Need" is relative. I don't know that I'd ever turn down a bonafide star 1st liner, in his prime, if the money can work and the price isn't berserk. Filip Forsberg, undeniably makes you a better team, IMO, and my only concern is roster improvement, in any form.

If that means a Filip Forsberg / Rickard Rackell type winger for the top 6, great. If that means a bonafide, quality, 2 way center for the 3rd line, that's great too because the 4th line only gets better if Engvall moves down and Vesey sits down.

it's not just "the money" ,,we have a exp draft to worry about,,6 million added to the books next season

how much and how to keep him after the 6m deal ends? UFA same season as Rielly

how much futures do we have to spend for this very possible short term add?

i'm trying to stay grounded and realistic by shopping in the pending UFA bin and one that won't cost the farm

 

[showtime8]

Lucas Wallmark hasn't fit in with Chicago and likely wouldn't cost more than a 4th-5th to acquire and the cap hit is very easy to fit in.

Vesey and a 5th for Wallmark (50% retained)?

We looked into Wallmark in off-season.

Edit: More I think about it, the more I like it.

Centres are hard to find, being RFA, he shouldn't be expensive to re-sign and we'd have our 3-4C next year. If Engvall regresses, he can slide between Soup and Hyman for the shut down line.

That would be a good opportunity.

He hasn't played well this season, but I don't think you are going to add a pick into this. It would likely be a straight swap.

 

[ToneDog]

"Need" is relative. I don't know that I'd ever turn down a bonafide star 1st liner, in his prime, if the money can work and the price isn't berserk. Filip Forsberg, undeniably makes you a better team, IMO, and my only concern is roster improvement, in any form.

If that means a Filip Forsberg / Rickard Rackell type winger for the top 6, great. If that means a bonafide, quality, 2 way center for the 3rd line, that's great too because the 4th line only gets better if Engvall moves down and Vesey sits down.

Longshot we land Forsberg but it makes no sense that we do not need another elite winger. When push came to shove in the playoffs last year, it was evident we did not have enough goal scorers. It was pretty much 34 and 91 and a prayer.

 

[Duke16]

Lucas Wallmark hasn't fit in with Chicago and likely wouldn't cost more than a 4th-5th to acquire and the cap hit is very easy to fit in.

Vesey and a 5th for Wallmark (50% retained)?

We looked into Wallmark in off-season.

Edit: More I think about it, the more I like it.

Centres are hard to find, being RFA, he shouldn't be expensive to re-sign and we'd have our 3-4C next year. If Engvall regresses, he can slide between Soup and Hyman for the shut down line.

Wallmark at the very least would be unlikely to draw out of the lineup and probably play over Travis Boyd.

Something around Vesey, a so-so prospect/late pick would be a smart move for the Leafs just in terms of getting a player in a more important position that actually plays in the healthy lineup.

 

[Faltorvo]

I would only be interested in Forsberg if it were possible. The other 2 arent needed as we look to have found a 3rd line that may work in Hyman-Engvall-Micheyev.

I would be interested in Forsberg though to upgrade our top 6. A deal around Kerfoot, our 1st Rounder and prospect or 2 may entice Nashville!!!

I wouldnt be against dealing someone like Robertson if Nashville would consider retaining 50% of Forsberg's salary. I would think that is worth it.

Move Robertson for 1 year of FF at half price??? hell no,,,,hellllllll noooooooo

 

[SprDaVE]

Lucas Wallmark hasn't fit in with Chicago and likely wouldn't cost more than a 4th-5th to acquire and the cap hit is very easy to fit in.

Vesey and a 5th for Wallmark (50% retained)?

We looked into Wallmark in off-season.

Edit: More I think about it, the more I like it.

Centres are hard to find, being RFA, he shouldn't be expensive to re-sign and we'd have our 3-4C next year. If Engvall regresses, he can slide between Soup and Hyman for the shut down line.

Not a bad depth player to look at as a minor move but I think the Leafs need to look at someone a whole lot more efficient and productive to upgrade their lineup.

I'd rather spend more assets to acquire someone that is actually good/very good rather than a potential project that could play better than he is now.

 

[ToneDog]

Move Robertson for 1 year of FF at half price??? hell no,,,,hellllllll noooooooo

It would be 1.5 years and if you think he gives you two serious runs at the cup you might role the dice.

 

[Warden of the North]

Can I just take a step back and say, for once in a long time, that the Leafs are not deadline shopping for a top 4 d-man or a d-man of any kind and it feels wonderful?

Id say theyre shopping for a dman. Probably another depth guy.

Although I agree that it feels good to not have it as a glaring hole.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Not a bad depth player to look at as a minor move but I think the Leafs need to look at someone a whole lot more efficient and productive to upgrade their lineup.

I'd rather spend more assets to acquire someone that is actually good/very good rather than a potential project that could play better than he is now.

You can do both. Wallmark bolsters depth and fits into next season's plans.

I mean for Vesey and a 5th are we really going to be upset? I look at it as insurance in case Engvall falls back to earth.

 

[TMLAM34]

I just don’t see Nashville retaining 50% of Forsberg’s contract without getting either Sandin or Robertson in return.

 

[Cor]

Lucas Wallmark hasn't fit in with Chicago and likely wouldn't cost more than a 4th-5th to acquire and the cap hit is very easy to fit in.

Vesey and a 5th for Wallmark (50% retained)?

We looked into Wallmark in off-season.

Edit: More I think about it, the more I like it.

Centres are hard to find, being RFA, he shouldn't be expensive to re-sign and we'd have our 3-4C next year. If Engvall regresses, he can slide between Soup and Hyman for the shut down line.

It's fine as a guy for the 4C and PK.

 

[Warden of the North]

Main boards

Kerfoot isnt nearly enough for upcoming UFA David Savard, but Phil Danault is

 

[showtime8]

Depending on what the plan is with Liljegren this year, I think the Leafs need to also focus on finding a #7 defenseman that can step into the playoffs.

If the plan with Liljegren is to have him the entire year with the Marlies again, then I would hope that they start looking at better depth guys to play as the #7. I understand that Lehtonen is sitting there and would be the next guy up, but I'm thinking about the grind of the playoffs and who would be better suited for that opportunity. I'd be looking at Matt Irwin in Buffalo, making 700k and as a UFA could be a valuable add at the deadline. Another decent add would be Jordan Osterle with Arizona. Making a bit more coin, but would be that bottom pairing guy/#7 if needed. Even Matt Bartkowski with Minnesota could be a veteran add.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Lucas Wallmark hasn't fit in with Chicago and likely wouldn't cost more than a 4th-5th to acquire and the cap hit is very easy to fit in.

Vesey and a 5th for Wallmark (50% retained)?

We looked into Wallmark in off-season.

Edit: More I think about it, the more I like it.

Centres are hard to find, being RFA, he shouldn't be expensive to re-sign and we'd have our 3-4C next year. If Engvall regresses, he can slide between Soup and Hyman for the shut down line.

He is more of a 4C than a 3C, if he even works out at all, and we should just do a 1 for 1 swap. Chicago is competing so they would get something out of Vesey. No retention since they have pretty much the same cap hit.

If we need to throw something in, they can have Greenway.

 

[ToneDog]

Id say theyre shopping for a dman. Probably another depth guy.

Although I agree that it feels good to not have it as a glaring hole.

We could use another RHD for depth if Lily is not in the picture. The Lehtonen and Dermott on the bottom pair did not go well in a one games small sample size.

 

[Warden of the North]

I just don’t see Nashville retaining 50% of Forsberg’s contract without getting either Sandin or Robertson in return.

I dont see Nashville trading Forsberg unless its for a giant return

 

[SprDaVE]

I dont see Nashville trading Forsberg unless its for a giant return

Especially getting them to retain. Many teams would trip themselves over to try to acquire him without retention.

 

[ToneDog]

I just don’t see Nashville retaining 50% of Forsberg’s contract without getting either Sandin or Robertson in return.

Ironic how some Leaf fans expect teams to trade elite talent for crumbs and retain to boot in order help us fit those players in under our cap. Sandin and Robertson have potential but they are not the sure thing Forsberg is and Forsberg is 26.

 

[IrishInOntario]

it's not just "the money" ,,we have a exp draft to worry about,,6 million added to the books next season

how much and how to keep him after the 6m deal ends? UFA same season as Rielly

how much futures do we have to spend for this very possible short term add?

i'm trying to stay grounded and realistic by shopping in the pending UFA bin and one that won't cost the farm

If you move on from Freddy Anderson and go with a 1a and 1b style trandem, you save probably 1.5 million there. You move a 32-33 year old Jake Muzzin (after next year) and you free up 5.6 million there. Phil Kessel's 1.2 million comes off the books at the same time. You use Nylander's contract (plus inflation) as the basis for Forsberg and give him something like 7.25-7.5×5. Reilly gets a raise up into the 8.0 million range, so basically you need 4.5 million to get it done. After you replace Muzzin with Sandin or Liljegren, I just freed about 7.5 million, which means you still have room to spare.

Your core for the next 5+ years becomes...

Forsberg / Matthews / Marner
Robertson / Tavares / Nylander
Hyman

Reilly / Brodie
Sandin / Holl
Liljegren

You round out the remaining 5 forward spots with vet FAs on minimum contracts (see Thornton, Spezza, Simmonds) and ELCs. Your defense core is basically set, while you keep trying to find Bogosian types for your bottom pair (or just keep him for a while). In the meantime you make sure you keep drafting defensemen, early in the draft, when they are BPA and keep the pipeline flowing. At the same time, keep your European connections coming relative to Mikheyev, Barabanov and Lehtonen types that you can give a shot in your bottom 6 and bottom pair.

 

[WTFMAN99]

If you move on from Freddy Anderson and go with a 1a and 1b style trandem, you save probably 1.5 million there. You move a 32-33 year old Jake Muzzin (after next year) and you free up 5.6 million there. Phil Kessel's 1.2 million comes off the books at the same time. You use Nylander's contract (plus inflation) as the basis for Forsberg and give him something like 7.25-7.5×5. Reilly gets a raise up into the 8.0 million range, so basically you need 4.5 million to get it done. After you replace Muzzin with Sandin or Liljegren, I just freed about 7.5 million, which means you still have room to spare.

Doubt they're moving on that quickly and I'd rather have Muzzin the following 2 years than Rielly for 8M.

 

[BlueForever75]

It would be 1.5 years and if you think he gives you two serious runs at the cup you might role the dice.

With first crack to extend him at a decent contract. He's only 26 years old. Still has alot of years at a high level that fits with our young core. Its not like your acquiring a 29-31 year old.

As we have seen this year. If you have Marner, Nylander, Matthews, Tavares and then Forsberg signed you can fill the rest of your roster with players like Thornton, Spezza, Simmonds, Boyd, Barabonov, Engvall, Micheyev, etc...

If we can unload a player like Kerfoot in a deal for Forsberg, I would happily pay an extra 1.5 million a season on Forsberg long term instead of Kerfoot. You can probably sign him long term at about 5-5.5 million per season.