Trades and Free Agency 2021 | Trade Deadline 6 weeks away

[Faltorvo]

I don't see game changers on the trade market but that can change as teams fall out of contention.

we don't need effn game changers

we already have plenty of those

we need specific role players ,,bottom end hole fillers,,like a vet 3rd C ,one with size (for my taste)

maybe a RHSD that can play 3rd pair,,incase of injury

 

[Faltorvo]

I've suggested...

To Nashville
Alex Kerfoot (who they'll flip for a 2nd)
Rodion Amirov
Topi Niemela
2021 1st round pick

To Toronto
Filip Forsberg (retained @50%)

By Flipping Kerfoot, they'll wind up paying 4.5 million less in real cash over the next 1.5 seasons (1.5 years of Forsberg retained).

not a living chance in ,,,,,,,,,HELL,,,,,,, i pay that for FF

 

[Faltorvo]

Staal would be a great add but don't kid yourself with this "favourite team growing up" thing. Thunder Bay isn't TO. As a matter of fact, people there tend to identify more with Winnipeg than Toronto or most of the rest of Ontario. And Eric idolized Gretzky as a kid. He wasn't a Leaf fan at all. It's not a given he'd even waive his NTC to come here. He might but not for any of the reasons given in this thread.

he is 36 ,,,,not many cup chances left

it's fair to say,,we are showing to be a true contender AND

we have shown,,we know how to use VETS like him with respect and purpose

 

[7even]

Engvall Isnt going to impress anyone moving up and down the line up.. he isn't a better hockey player then Eric Staal.. I like the hyman-envgall-soup line too but we all know it's Hyman that's the glue of that line.. followed by Soup right after him.... Putting Staal in between those 2 would be an upgrade.. also you can try Staal-JT-Willy on the 2nd line Engvall Isnt going to shine there otherwise he would of already been given that shot.

No, the glue of that line is that they're all 6'1+, can skate like the wind and forecheck hard. That's all that line does. I don't think it's going to produce particularly well at all. Sure Hyman picked up a couple goals but we all know Hyman well enough to agree his main contribution isn't his production. The utility of that line is that they can run people over, overwhelm and harass the defense, and keep the puck away from our net while we wait to put the top 2 lines back on the ice, which is honestly a very useful thing. You put a 36yo Eric Staal in the middle of that line instead and it's not obvious to me that it'll be a proportional, one-to-one upgrade. It changes the identity of that line. For better? For worse? I don't think it's obvious.

I'm not against acquiring Staal, certainly guys with experience playing both center and wing are the best depth players to have, but I don't think line building is simple arithmetic. I'm not sure he actually makes the 3rd line better, I'm not sure we can expect him to keep up at the center ice position, and I'm not sure making the 2nd line even slower by sticking him next to JT is a good idea.

 

[Critical13]

I like Dermott a lot but we’re losing a LD to Seattle and it could probably end up being Dermott. What about trading Dermott (Likely expansion draft target) + 2nd round pick for Ekholm (likely expansion draft target ask well) but we upgrade at the cost of a 2nd to try to win 16 games.

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Ekholm-Bogosian

Then we lose Ekholm/Muzzin/Brodie/Rielly?

 

[The Blueprint]

No, the glue of that line is that they're all 6'1+, can skate like the wind and forecheck hard. That's all that line does. I don't think it's going to produce particularly well at all. Sure Hyman picked up a couple goals but we all know Hyman well enough to agree his main contribution isn't his production. The utility of that line is that they can run people over, overwhelm and harass the defense, and keep the puck away from our net while we wait to put the top 2 lines back on the ice, which is honestly a very useful thing. You put a 36yo Eric Staal in the middle of that line instead and it's not obvious to me that it'll be a proportional, one-to-one upgrade. It changes the identity of that line. For better? For worse? I don't think it's obvious.

I'm not against acquiring Staal, certainly guys with experience playing both center and wing are the best depth players to have, but I don't think line building is simple arithmetic. I'm not sure he actually makes the 3rd line better, I'm not sure we can expect him to keep up at the center ice position, and I'm not sure making the 2nd line even slower by sticking him next to JT is a good idea.

Couldn't have said this any better. IMO this line is better than the sum of its parts, it seems to have instant chemistry as they all play a similar style.

Fast, hounding pucks, flat out outworking other teams. Like you said they're not going to score a lot but they are an absolute handful and with their speed I can see them being an extremely effective shutdown line if molded properly.

I also think Mik and and Engvall still have some untapped offensive potential that will show with more reps in the NHL.

 

[TMLAM34]

I’ve really liked the Hyman, Engvall and Mikheyev line but if you have a chance at upgrading on Engvall, you do it.

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

You guys have Filip Forsberg stuck in my head now I can’t get him out.

Would it be possible to get

forsberg
Granlund
Elkholm

all at 50% retained if we included kerfoot and vesey. Obviously the futures going back would be incredible something like two firsts , Amirov and sandin or something but the Leafs need a cup.

Thornton Matthews Marner
Forsberg Tavares Nylander
Mikyahev Engvall Hyman
Granlund Spezza Simmonds

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Elkholm Bogosian

 

[TMLAM34]

You guys have Filip Forsberg stuck in my head now I can’t get him out.

Would it be possible to get

forsberg
Granlund
Elkholm

all at 50% retained if we included kerfoot and vesey. Obviously the futures going back would be incredible something like two firsts , Amirov and sandin or something but the Leafs need a cup.

Thornton Matthews Marner
Forsberg Tavares Nylander
Mikyahev Engvall Hyman
Granlund Spezza Simmonds

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Elkholm Bogosian

No it wouldn’t be possible because that would never happen.

 

[Jozay]

NO this is not a "all chips in"

Not with the expansion draft coming

no interest in selling the farm just to watch seattle make the deal cost even more

Seattle expansion makes it even more enticing to go all in

Huge wasted opportunity if the leafs do nothing. Ideally its a big move.

 

[Jozay]

Dermott is on the roster and looks like he's cemented himself in the top 6 do I doubt they move him in season and trading 1st rounders into the future can bite you in the ass

Some of our worst ever trades were doing that

Barring the Leafs doing something surprising (like exposing Muzzin or Holl), Dermott is gone in the expansion draft if kept.

Leafs will be perfectly fine without a first rounder or two and im convinced this is the year to take a big risk. It'll never be easier than this year.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Too much for Forsberg. Even @50%

Everyone thinks their prospects are worth a fortune. Chances are that none of those assets become close to as good as Forsberg, who is basically Nylander good playing on any team with an offensive pulse.

The 2021 1st round pick is going to be Bottom 5 and highly unlikely to return you a future top 6 forward or top pairing defenseman. You pray that Rodion Amirov is going to be close to as good as as Filip Forsberg, 6 years from now... Topi Niemela (maybe Hallander instead) is the sweetener price you pay for retention.

 

[IrishInOntario]

not a living chance in ,,,,,,,,,HELL,,,,,,, i pay that for FF

That's why you'd never land that type of asset, retained, at 26 years old, in his prime.

 

[ryno23]

Maybe the Leafs can get Carl Soderberg out of Chi. He will be a UFA making 1 mil. Kills penalties, solid 200 foot game and has put up points. 3C they could be looking for. You can swap him for Engvall unless you plan on exposing Engvall in the expansion draft.

Maybe Vesey and a middle round pick instead.

 

[Critical13]

Maybe the Leafs can get Carl Soderberg out of Chi. He will be a UFA making 1 mil. Kills penalties, solid 200 foot game and has put up points. 3C they could be looking for. You can swap him for Engvall unless you plan on exposing Engvall in the expansion draft.

Maybe Vesey and a middle round pick instead.

Why not just run with Engvall?

Why is everyone trying to get rid of Engvall? Let's see how he does over a few more games. That 3rd line looks good.

 

[Fogelhund]

You guys have Filip Forsberg stuck in my head now I can’t get him out.

Would it be possible to get

forsberg
Granlund
Elkholm

all at 50% retained if we included kerfoot and vesey. Obviously the futures going back would be incredible something like two firsts , Amirov and sandin or something but the Leafs need a cup.

Thornton Matthews Marner
Forsberg Tavares Nylander
Mikyahev Engvall Hyman
Granlund Spezza Simmonds

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Elkholm Bogosian

It doesn't work with the Cap, even with 50% withheld, and the deal done on deadline day. You'd need to send another body, such as Rielly, Brodie, Muzzin or Nylander to make the cap work out.

 

[selltrade]

We dont need eric staal good lord. With Simmonds back dont touch the forwards at all. Improve D if you can, with a better 7 or 8 than Lehtonen, you need depth for a long run. This is ignoring the 2 kids on D. Need the kids for next yr. Thats it leave it alone

 

[MVPMatthews]

I'm personally a huge current 3rd line homer. They are fast and forecheck, with Mikheyev and Hyman having th opportunity for a breakout goal at any time of the period.

We keep talking about line fits. And finally we have a 3rd line that fits together beautifully. I say let them play it out. Unless there is a huge dropoff then think about trading Engvall.

It would be super disappointing to trade for a player like Staal and him just not fit where we need him. Then we'd be back to the drawing board on lines with the playoffs quickly approaching.

I say let the Mik/Engvall/Hyman line run until it stops being effective. Even if that is our 3rd line going into playoffs

 

[BlueForever75]

I'm personally a huge current 3rd line homer. They are fast and forecheck, with Mikheyev and Hyman having th opportunity for a breakout goal at any time of the period.

We keep talking about line fits. And finally we have a 3rd line that fits together beautifully. I say let them play it out. Unless there is a huge dropoff then think about trading Engvall.

It would be super disappointing to trade for a player like Staal and him just not fit where we need him. Then we'd be back to the drawing board on lines with the playoffs quickly approaching.

I say let the Mik/Engvall/Hyman line run until it stops being effective. Even if that is our 3rd line going into playoffs

I agree with your thoughts. Why change things if they seem to be working.

Same goes with Tavares. Yes Matthews and Marner are magic together. But 3 things are known.

1) Tavares and Nylander to not mesh well together.

2) Matthews and Nylander have shown the ability to put up points together.

3) Tavares best statistical season was playing with Marner.

Knowing these three things. Why would Keefe even consider putting Matthews back with Marner and Tavares back with Nylander?

Makes not sense.

3rd line should remain intact. And Matthews when he returns should play with Nylander leaving Tavares with Marner. Simple.

 

[showtime8]

I'm personally a huge current 3rd line homer. They are fast and forecheck, with Mikheyev and Hyman having th opportunity for a breakout goal at any time of the period.

We keep talking about line fits. And finally we have a 3rd line that fits together beautifully. I say let them play it out. Unless there is a huge dropoff then think about trading Engvall.

It would be super disappointing to trade for a player like Staal and him just not fit where we need him. Then we'd be back to the drawing board on lines with the playoffs quickly approaching.

I say let the Mik/Engvall/Hyman line run until it stops being effective. Even if that is our 3rd line going into playoffs

Yeah, it's a good combination of size and speed and it really doesn't disrupt any other line. If you could get any sort of offense from this line, then you would be over the moon.

So basically when Simmonds comes back, he replaces Vesey on the 4th line until he can get back into game shape and then eventually you need to do something with having Barabanov in the top 6. Whether you would move Simmonds up to the 3rd line with Engvall and Mikheyev and put Hyman with Tavares and Nylander. You've got some flexibility on the bottom 6 and enough skill in the top 6 to move guys in and out of the lineup.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Lucas Wallmark hasn't fit in with Chicago and likely wouldn't cost more than a 4th-5th to acquire and the cap hit is very easy to fit in.

Vesey and a 5th for Wallmark (50% retained)?

We looked into Wallmark in off-season.

Edit: More I think about it, the more I like it.

Centres are hard to find, being RFA, he shouldn't be expensive to re-sign and we'd have our 3-4C next year. If Engvall regresses, he can slide between Soup and Hyman for the shut down line.

 

[Faltorvo]

That's why you'd never land that type of asset, retained, at 26 years old, in his prime.

good,,we don't need another winger like that

 

[Kiwi]

I’ve really liked the Hyman, Engvall and Mikheyev line but if you have a chance at upgrading on Engvall, you do it.

Easier said than done, Engvall is limited offensively but he's extremely good defensively which makes him a great fit on a checking line

Sometimes it's about fit rather than straight up ability, you replace Engvall and make that line less effective defensively we get worse imo

Barring the Leafs doing something surprising (like exposing Muzzin or Holl), Dermott is gone in the expansion draft if kept.

Leafs will be perfectly fine without a first rounder or two and im convinced this is the year to take a big risk. It'll never be easier than this year.

Somebody has to go, Dermott seems like an acceptable sacrifice to me

I remember people saying that about the Marleau trade, don't trade 1st round picks beyond the current season

1st round pick this year traded? You bet I'm on board for the right player

1st round pick next year? No way

 

[Puckstuff]

Then we lose Ekholm/Muzzin/Brodie/Rielly?

Yeah in that scenario we would lose one of those 4 or Holl to Seattle, but I'd imagine we would protect Holl because at this point 2 million for Justin Holl is a steal.

Upgrading from Dermott to Ekholm wouldn't be my first priority because Dermott-Bogosian have been excellent but it is a significant upgrade IMO. My first priority is adding a top 6 forward with size and then if there is money left over I'd explore another great d-man only to put us over the edge - not that it's a glaring hole or anything but Ekholm on the third pair makes us better

 

[Critical13]

Yeah in that scenario we would lose one of those 4 or Holl to Seattle, but I'd imagine we would protect Holl because at this point 2 million for Justin Holl is a steal.

Upgrading from Dermott to Ekholm wouldn't be my first priority because Dermott-Bogosian have been excellent but it is a significant upgrade IMO. My first priority is adding a top 6 forward with size and then if there is money left over I'd explore another great d-man only to put us over the edge - not that it's a glaring hole or anything

I think I would rather just keep our picks and Dermott and see what happens.