Trades and Free Agency 2021 | Any day now?

[hockeynorth]

That seems pretty lopsided. Leafs would need to add a bunch more

It's not really, Kerfoot = Jenner value wise and goalies don't go for much at all, a 2nd + 3rd is probably Korpisalos worth, so Andersen + 2nd is enough, maybe a conditional pick.

Alex Kerfoot is not a trade throw in for everyone tossing him away, he's about on par with Kapanens value (real value not what he got) as a youngish C who can also play top 6 wing minutes. He can play all situations too. That holds value.

 

[hockeynorth]

Who suggested moving Campbell?

Lol ok this was good

I should've said "starter"

 

[Dreakmur]

CBJ - Korpisalo and Jenner

Tor - Anderson, Kerfoot, and a 2nd

That trade would be sweet, but I'm not sure why Columbus does that. Downgrade their goaltending and their centre depth. For a second round pick.

 

[Cor]

I do think Ullmark is a guy to target. His numbers are far better than they should be behind that Sabres team.

If we could acquire him, and flip Freddy someone, I think it’d be a win

 

[ACC1224]

It's not really, Kerfoot = Jenner value wise and goalies don't go for much at all, a 2nd + 3rd is probably Korpisalos worth, so Andersen + 2nd is enough, maybe a conditional pick.

Alex Kerfoot is not a trade throw in for everyone tossing him away, he's about on par with Kapanens value (real value not what he got) as a youngish C who can also play top 6 wing minutes. He can play all situations too. That holds value.

Andersen has zero value as a UFA to a non playoff team, he’s the toss in.
I’d take Jenner all day over Kerfoot. I’m sure most would.

 

[ToneDog]

I do think Ullmark is a guy to target. His numbers are far better than they should be behind that Sabres team.

If we could acquire him, and flip Freddy someone, I think it’d be a win

Ullman is a UFA and should come cheap.

 

[Budz]

Isnt Freddy making 1 million in real money? So his prorated real $$$ gotta be low. We dump high cap for less cap and the other team saves cash a gets a pick.
Win/win...no?

 

[Dreakmur]

It's not really, Kerfoot = Jenner value wise and goalies don't go for much at all, a 2nd + 3rd is probably Korpisalos worth, so Andersen + 2nd is enough, maybe a conditional pick.

Alex Kerfoot is not a trade throw in for everyone tossing him away, he's about on par with Kapanens value (real value not what he got) as a youngish C who can also play top 6 wing minutes. He can play all situations too. That holds value.

I had hope for Kerfoot after last year’s playoffs, but he’s been a dud. Can’t play centre. Not a top 6 winger. He’s just not worth his cap hit.

I want to maximize his return too, but I’m not sure many teams would really want him.

 

[Dreakmur]

Isnt Freddy making 1 million in real money? So his prorated real $$$ gotta be low. We dump high cap for less cap and the other team saves cash a gets a pick.
Win/win...no?

It’s gotta be a team that has a goalie to trade back and isn’t making the playoffs.

 

[Cor]

Wonder if we could do Freddy to Carolina for a pick and acquire Ullmark for a pick

 

[hockeynorth]

Andersen has zero value as a UFA to a non playoff team, he’s the toss in.
I’d take Jenner all day over Kerfoot. I’m sure most would.

Yeah I agree about Andersen to Columbus, that's a bad fit unless they can flip him, but I meant we wouldn't have to add "a bunch". Personally Jenner vs Kerfoot just comes down to role for me.

I had hope for Kerfoot after last year’s playoffs, but he’s been a dud. Can’t play centre. Not a top 6 winger. He’s just not worth his cap hit.

I want to maximize his return too, but I’m not sure many teams would really want him.

I think he's been okay tbh

 

[Kiwi]

While I'd say safe bet is they stick with Andy, it's an interesting situation.

Given the Leafs likely see this as a unique opportunity for a favorable playoff matchup, they really have to be confident in the goaltending. Got a few weeks to see if they are...

They will have Campbell back at some point

I wouldn't be shocked if he's given the net if Andersen goes through one of his extended bad patches

 

[Carltons Cup]

Kuemper for Anderson + mid round pick.

I call shotgun and get to drive Fred to the airport

 

[Dreakmur]

I think he's been okay tbh

He has been OK, but you don't pay 3.5 million for OK

 

[ACC1224]

Yeah I agree about Andersen to Columbus, that's a bad fit unless they can flip him, but I meant we wouldn't have to add "a bunch". Personally Jenner vs Kerfoot just comes down to role for me.


I think he's been okay tbh

Why is Columbus moving their goalie?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I’d go after Merzilkins, expansion draft exempt as well. Also makes sense for a more financial strapped organization to get rid of there backup who’s making 4 million next season while still being very competitive this year with a tandem of Korpisalo and Andersen.

I was about to say we could go after Columbus.

I think no matter what, you are going to have to trust Campbell to some larger extent than you are right now. Although that is arguably true even if we keep Andersen.

It’s more about opening up cap to acquire another player, either from NSH, or someone else.

I understand, but I don't think Saros is that answer.

I would say since there are no great options, we just have to go for good and trust that Campbell + new guy can do it if we want to move on from Andersen. I wonder what that would do to morale, since I am sure Andersen is beloved quite a bit.


G James Reimer
LD Dominik Fensore
2nd round pick 2021


G Frederik Andersen (~25% retained by BUF)


C Eric Staal
G Linus Ullmark


G James Reimer
LD Dominik Fensore
LW Pierre Engvall
2nd round pick 2021 (CAR)

Could also work something around Foligno/Jenner + Korpisalo/Merzlikins (but that could be expensive and involve roster players) or Kuemper + Oesterle (if we include Dermott in the trade) but obviously Kuemper is hurt. The Sabres one is by far the simplest and most reasonable though. 5 mill in cap in, 5 mill out. No roster players who aren't immediately replaced and no major assets lost. Buffalo gets assets which are more valuable than what Staal and Ullmark could get independently.

I do think goalie should be something that Dubas should consider paying assets for long before a forward... Especially if we are paying big assets. A proper goalie probably makes a bigger difference for us right now more than whatever forward, even top 6 forward, would right now.

 

[RaptorLeaf13]

Help!!!!!! Any real trade rumors which goalies are available for the leafs to trade for? We desperately need it because this team is going nowhere with this goaltending. So frustrating.

 

[LaPlante94]

A part of me thinks of trade proposals with Rielly in them and then I'm like I feel bad if we traded him because if anyone deserves to win a cup here it's him since he's been here for the absolutely worst .

 

[Critical13]

Wonder if we could do Freddy to Carolina for a pick and acquire Ullmark for a pick

I think Carolina already has a ton of money tied up in goalies, don't they? Ned seems to have taken the reigns, as well.

 

[hockeynorth]

Why is Columbus moving their goalie?

they're not, I said that. I don't see why they would, Bernier frankly makes the most sense

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I think Carolina already has a ton of money tied up in goalies, don't they? Ned seems to have taken the reigns, as well.

Washington could use a goalie (Samsonov has struggled, Lundqvist is not coming back, and Vanecek is mediocre at best). PIT could say the same thing but I doubt they invest in one.

Edmonton needs a goalie but they'd have to dump Koskinen or Smith. I don't think they want to dump Smith and Koskinen is bad so he's not going anywhere.

Even with Ned, CAR could use a better goalie than Mrazek and Reimer to pair with him.

That's 4 teams who should have at least mild interest in getting a guy like Andersen, and a guy like Ullmark likely doesn't move the needle as much as he does for a team like us.

 

[123offtheglass]

Where would Andersen even fit? Would need to be a team that's either desperate for goaltending, or a bubble playoff team not looking to give up much for a goalie, that also has cap flexibility. Would also have to be worthwhile for the Leafs in terms of upgrading and/or freeing up cap space to add a piece beyond the crease; Andersen isn't bad he just isn't nearly good enough for a caliber team like the Leafs.

- Arizona? He could be a marginal part of a deal for Kuemper. Fred makes 1m this season on a 5m cap hit which is optimal for a team like Arizona. They certainly won't be in a playoff push but they aren't that far out of the playoff picture in a weaker division. They could recoup some picks while still having a chance to make the playoffs or be competitive. Kuemper is injured right now though too.

- Edmonton? Team that's desperate for goaltending but a division rival... Koskinen would have to be involved in a 3-way trade as a cap dump to whoever would take him with draft pick(s), maybe NJ, Ottawa? They'd need another team lined up with a goalie for them too, maybe Ullmark in Buffalo, lateral or slightly improved move that frees up at least 2.4m; but he too is currently injured.

- A team like San Jose or Ottawa just to stop the bleeding? They currently have dumpster fires in their creases.

Most likely the Leafs are going to have to make due with him and hope that he can flip the script...

 

[123offtheglass]

Washington could use a goalie (Samsonov has struggled, Lundqvist is not coming back, and Vanecek is mediocre at best). PIT could say the same thing but I doubt they invest in one.

Edmonton needs a goalie but they'd have to dump Koskinen or Smith. I don't think they want to dump Smith and Koskinen is bad so he's not going anywhere.

Even with Ned, CAR could use a better goalie than Mrazek and Reimer to pair with him.

That's 4 teams who should have at least mild interest in getting a guy like Andersen, and a guy like Ullmark likely doesn't move the needle as much as he does for a team like us.

Washington absolutely, or even Pittsburgh but cap space is the major problem for them; I don't see how they could do it, especially Washington. Carolina could look to upgrade their vet alongside Ned and could make it work cap wise. They'd need to dump Reimer somewhere in doing so.

I agree Ullmark likely doesn't move the needle all that much, but he could significantly free up desired cap space, especially if he were retained, to upgrade beyond the crease.

 

[WTFMAN99]

A part of me thinks of trade proposals with Rielly in them and then I'm like I feel bad if we traded him because if anyone deserves to win a cup here it's him since he's been here for the absolutely worst .

Yes but you can't afford to get sentimental.

 

[ryno23]

That trade would be sweet, but I'm not sure why Columbus does that. Downgrade their goaltending and their centre depth. For a second round pick.

Jenner is actually playing on the wing this year. So kerfoot would fill the need for C. Works out to Korpisalo for a 2nd and if you have to throw in something else do it.

I am sure CBJ would nix the deal but would be nice for Toronto