You can only beat who is on the schedule. The Pens just beat the Sabres I guess they're not cup contenders.
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You can only beat who is on the schedule. The Pens just beat the Sabres I guess they're not cup contenders.
Callahan & Miller for Kessler and a pick
I don't think the Canucks are the ones adding a pick to that...
My favorite if how all of these people *****ing about us not being cup contenders are sure they were in 11-12 when they had worse personnel and stumbled their way to wins with their 2 4th lines and 5 NHL D-men.
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Right, because that's totally what he said. The pens also happened to beat most of the other teams they've played this season. They have won consistently all season. We haven't.
I don't exactly consider the Rangers contenders but I think if people expect them to trade 5-6 players while sitting at 2nd in the division just because they're pending UFAs then those people are crazy.
They're not going to trade Callahan, Girardi, Boyle, Moore, Carcillo and Stralman or something stupid like that. The odds that they trade Boyle and Moore themselves seems pretty low because the return would be so small.
They may end up trading 1 or 2 players, since we're talking the whole Callahan Girardi contract situation, but the Rangers aren't going to essentially blow up a significant portion of the team to satisfy internet GMs
They're not going to trade Callahan, Girardi, Boyle, Moore, Carcillo and Stralman or something stupid like that. The odds that they trade Boyle and Moore themselves seems pretty low because the return would be so small.
They may end up trading 1 or 2 players, since we're talking the whole Callahan Girardi contract situation, but the Rangers aren't going to essentially blow up a significant portion of the team to satisfy internet GMs
HatTrick Swayze
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You're just talking out of your ass. The majority of rational posters did not consider the Rangers legitimate Cup threats in either year.
Good news is Dolan will get his playoff $.
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Change is good.
Uh, what? I think there's a little revisionist history going on here.
I rooted hard as hell for that team, but I ALSO thought it needed upgrading to be a true perennial contender, just like this one. And I recall a lot of people being in the same boat with me.
Once the deadline passes, however, what's the point in discussing it? From then on we're ALL hoping for the miracle, cinderella run under almost any circumstance.
I just can't picture Callahan in any other jersey. I think ultimately both sides will compromise and come to an agreement. The Rangers are poised to win in the near future and he's the captain; if that isn't enough reason for him to have incentive to say, he's also flat out said this is where he wants to stay. I think 6/36 is where they ultimately end up, and I'm not thrilled about it but meh. This team's window with Lundqvist is now and they need to do what's necessary to put the best team on the ice, now. I've concluded we will never go full Edmonton/Pitt/NYI so we might as well go for it with Hank in his prime and an already above average team around him.
Also, if a trade were to happen I doubt it's before the Olympic break. GMs will want to make sure Callahan isn't hurt over there; how bad would it look giving up assets for him and then he goes to Sochi and gets injured. Not to mention that whoever were to acquire him would have to pay him to play in the Olympics, IIRC
Also, if a trade were to happen I doubt it's before the Olympic break. GMs will want to make sure Callahan isn't hurt over there; how bad would it look giving up assets for him and then he goes to Sochi and gets injured. Not to mention that whoever were to acquire him would have to pay him to play in the Olympics, IIRC
All this inane comment does is provide further proof that you really don't grasp the argument whatsoever.
Rangers Schedule in January:
Penguins
Maple Leafs
Blue Jackets
Blackhawks
Stars
Flyers
Lightning
Redwings
Senators
Capitals
Islanders
Blues
Devils
Islanders
Islanders
We went 11-3-1.
Combined record of the teams we played: 421-313-119. Overall winning percentage we had to play against: .574
Rangers Schedule in March:
Flyers
Bruins
Maple Leafs
Hurricanes
Redwings
Hurricanes
Wild
Jets
Sharks
Senators
Blue Jackets
Devils
Coyotes
Flyers
Flames
Oilers
Combined record of the teams we have to play in March: 434-353-120. Overall WP we have to play against: .551
The schedule, while comparable, is actually worse.
So RB. What other excuses to do you have to justify your claim that we're not legit this year? I'd love to hear.
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LA has been circling Gagner for a while. Not surprising.
I don't think anything will get done for us before the Olympic break though. There are no benefits for a team to trade for Callahan prior to the Olympics. I could see us re-signing Girardi during the Olympics though.
Umm? Callahan (extended) should be able to get Kessler straight up, or come pretty damn close to it.
Similar point production these last few years. Similar durability questions. Similar skill sets.
Kessler is on pace for 53.5 points in 82 games this season.
Callahan is on pace for 50.4 points in 82 games this season.
A whole 3 point drop off. WOW!
People hear the name Kessler and suddenly he's worth whatever is under the Federal Reserve Bank Vault... and a couple of billion too for good measure.
edit: Also, Kessler has been playing consistently more per game than Callahan. Cally plays 15-18 minutes for us. Kessler plays 22-25 minutes a game for them. So really, our offensive potential, would hypothetically actually be higher with Callahan.
I mean, I can give you at least one good reason why the Rangers don't quite stack up against the top teams like Pittsburgh, Boston, Chicago, etc...
Lack of top end scoring talent is a big one. The Rangers have Nash who runs very hot and cold and isn't really a match for the Crosby's and Kane's of the league anyways, but beyond that they're relying on a bunch of basically 2nd/3rd liners to get enough scoring across 3 lines to win games. That could really come back to bite them in the ass.
Even when comparing to a team like Boston (who I don't think have a really elite offensive talent either) the Rangers depth doesn't quite stack up, and they don't have the unique players that Boston does in Lucic and Chara
Also, lack of offensive production from the blueline.
On the other hand the Rangers have a very good group of defensemen in terms of actual defense and moving the puck in general. They do have talent on 3 lines and a 4th line that is playing well...I think people sometimes downplay the talent the Rangers DO have, it's not like a bunch of grinders who pop in a few goals by accident, they have legitimately good playmakers and skaters and guys with vision, it's just not top tier stuff.
And of course they have Lundqvist.
That all said, a NHL team will never sell when they're in a playoff position so I never understand why people get all bent out of shape about that kind of stuff.
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Look at my post directed towards RB. Comparable schedules of January and March.
Everyone that we've played in the month of January (besides the Islanders) was over .500. Everyone we play in the month of March besides the Flames and Oilers is over .500. We've gone 11-3-2 in the month of January, statistically a harder month than March in terms of the opponents we've had to face.
You say mediocre opponents - the stats don't even remotely back that statement up. You say that we're not cup contenders... than what do we have to say about the Flyers from several years back, the Kings from several years back, the Devils from several years back, etc?
It's easy to look back in rhetrospect and claim how legitimate those teams actually were but in the moment, i'm sure nobody thought that any of those teams had a remote chance of even sniffing the cup.
I completely disagree with the sentiment we can't compete this year. In fact, if we were to hypothetically trade for a more dominant winger than Benoit Pouloit, I would even argue that we'd fundamentally be better than most teams in the league, let alone just the East.
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San Jose did last year. They traded away Murray and Clowe. I'm sure other teams have as well in the past, though it's not as frequent. Signing or trading our UFAs is about the next X years, not just about this year.
I was assuming he was talking about Callahan as a rental. Extended at a reasonable contract is obviously a different story.
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Tawnos
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I think that, once again, the schedule has turned out to be imbalanced in terms of competition. This happened last year too. They played most of the tougher opponents early in the schedule and had an easier go of it later. We play 3 games against Boston. Two of them were in November. We play 4 games against Pittsburgh. 3 came before January 4th and the 4th is tomorrow.
LORDE
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That's really the point isn't it? We're going to trade one or more... we'll resign the rest, maybe let one or two walk for nothing.
Does Sather have a plan? I hope so.
Does one signing or trade impact the others? In some cases for sure.
Need a plan of who is long term plans, who isn't and get max value for those who aren't. In other words you cannot let Cally walk for nothing. No matter what you think the chances of us winning it all this yr. are.
I wouldn't go too in depth about comparing teams. There's not just 1 way to get to the cup. There's not a formula that takes you there.
If you told me Toronto's team last year would be up 3-1 before the series started, without home court advantage, and tell me they had a chance to eliminate the team that would eventually go to the cup... i'd think you were crazy. But that's the great thing about sports. The intangibles. The very thing everyone on here doesn't seem to value. In this case (in the team sense), the intangibles are if you're hitting a rut or finding your stride, the lucky bounces that go or don't go your way, individual players that rise above the moment to propel your team past another one... You can't predict these intangibles, they happen when they happen. Some teams claim that they make their own luck and that's derived from hard work and just battling away... over the last 2 months this team has done just that and I see no reason for them to stop just for the fun of it.
I've had a problem with the lack of size and physicality that this team has. Any time we play a larger, more physical team, I think we'll be bullied and abused. And you know what? They've proven me wrong. They've played their game, taken leads, and neutered the other team's physicality. They've quieted the crowd, taken the energy out of the building, and silenced the opposing team's players whenever they're on the road and do that. They'll scrap when they need to, the defenders don't take **** around Hank, and the 4th line will come on and enforce when they absolutely need to involve themselves in that way.
I don't think you can look at this Rangers team and take them lightly. I don't think you can look at this Rangers team and tell me they can't stack up against the Penguins. We're 1-1-1 against them this year. We're 0-2 against the Bruins, and we played both games before we had clicked as a team and yet still only lost dramatically by one goal in both.
Had we not had that abysmal 1st month, even with our .500 next month, we'd likely be several points behind Pitt right now.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Exactly.
Here's where I put the odds on the UFAs:
- 90% Cally is traded, 10% re-signs.
- 75% Girardi re-signs, 25% is traded.
- If Girardi is traded, 75% Stralman re-signs/25% plays out the season without a new contract, otherwise 75% he plays out the season without a new contract/25% is traded.
- 50% Moore plays out the season without a new contract, 50% re-signs.
- 50% Boyle plays out the season without a new contract, 25% re-signs, 25% is traded.
- 90% Pouliot plays out the season without a new contract, 10% re-signs.
- 90% Carcillo plays out the season without a new contract, 5% re-signs, 5% is traded.
Of all the other players, the only one I realistically see moving is MAYBE Dorsett, but I think you keep him as an extra, if you don't move Boyle (or any of the other fourth liners).
Frankly, I think there's a good argument to trade one or more beyond Cally, but I don't think they'll do much more beyond that, and might actually add.
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