Rumor: Trade Thread XVIII: Brace Yourselves. Friday Is Coming.

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He's 5' 8". We already have one midget. No more please.
Agreed. Zucc has sold me, but stocking up on pint-sized players is a recipe for disaster.
An ideal situation is you have guys in the pipeline ready to step in so when guys like Callahan and Girardi are nearing their prime payday dates you move them along for players/prospects/picks who one day will be the replacements for the replacements. Rinse and repeat. For instance, if McIlrath were breaking down the door then moving Girardi would be much easier. Same with Kristo, Fast or Duclair, for Callahan. These trades could occur in the summer or at the deadline. Obviously not every acquisition is going to pan out but you have to keeping growing the assets pool. Of course some of the fan base is going to object for sentimental reasons but a strong organization absolutely does not take that into consideration, or they suck as an organization, like Carolina, who got nuked in the trade with Pittsburgh just because they wanted to sell their fans the heartwarming story of brothers playing together. People need to get away from the whole heart and soul thing and intangibles in general, because that's what the best organizations do.
Fast is ready IMO. McIlrath is not - I think Allen would get the call up over him. That's part of what makes it easier to trade Cally than Girardi (but both may need to go - Cally in almost any circumstance, Girardi if you can't reach a reasonable deal).
 
If we trade Callahan to the Blue Jackets, can we at least get one of Dubi or Artie back? I don't want to watch a line the Rangers developed within the division :(
 
Some of you guys are stuck in a rut.

I think to some extent, what SOS said, holds very true about some fans on this board.

For some, there is an inherent underlying need to see change on a roster - any roster. When people allude to this "not being NHL '14" or "fantasy sports" it's brushed aside as some sort of grande hyperbole and joke. The truth is... it isn't a joke.

These players have lives, homes, families, ties to the city that they inhabit. When I come on here during the offseason, fans are full of 6-7 trade proposals at a time, claiming that the team would be better because of each.

In a team dynamic, familiarity and chemistry is KEY to team success. It's fundamental. Players grow emotional connections to one another, and in a sport like hockey, they eventually fight and go to war for each other.

2 months ago, I witnessed many fans on this board list maybe 8-9 players they thought should be moved by next year. Boyle, Moore, Girardi, Callahan, Del Zotto, Richards, Brassard, Pouloit, Stralman.

Some went further and began moving off Nash, Stepan, and Staal. And then the same fans complain that the team plays with emotional disconnect. That they don't stick up for one another. That they don't seem to care.

And, to make matters worse, nearly every deal was for prospects and picks - i.e. assets that are not only unproven but have a high historical probability of failure. And the justification and premise of this is either that our own players are lousy or that we need to prepare for the future. The funny this is that the future is uncertain and in such matters, the planning is a very imprecise art. And unfortunately, the Rangers track record with such tactics seems to be rather average, at best.

A smaller majority had rational solutions - like a moderate selling off of assets that aren't essential for our success. Which makes sense. But that has changed, even in those, recently.

As with most things in NY, the media got control of a story, and has beat it to death over the past few weeks and months. Naturally, a lot of our fans have eaten up the words of these makeshift journalists who mix fact with opinion, rumor with speculation, and have begun the perpetuating cycle of trading half our team away like (as SOS said) stocks.

From last Thursday, the media made the Callahan saga into something much more than what it was. Will Cally even be in practice? Is there a trade imminent? Rangers set a deadline at 2 PM for Cally to be traded. Etc. Half the board was nearly positive that he'd be gone by Friday. Yet, Friday came, and it may have been the most anticlimactic hours before a deadline known to our generation.

So where does this leave us now? Logic would prevail that most of us would relax, watch the Olympics, and give the subject a break for at least the roster freeze... but I come back and the same speculation exists, the same trade proposals surface.

No new rumors. No new facts. Opinion. Speculation. Ungratefulness.

Ungrateful that we finally have a team that could take us far. Ungrateful for the players that have gotten us here.

And in the midst of it all, a very successful 2 month run that has offered quite a lot of hope for this season, has been lost on a bunch of you. I've seen a lot of posters say "I want the team to succeed but...."... funny thing is, those posters tend to be the most negative and tend to turn as quickly as the tide turns. Keep talking about what the Rangers should do, about how unhappy you'll be in the event that they don't appease your desires, and in the meantime... miss out on the team that's actually creating a lot of noise and buzz on the ice.

Keep at it guys!
 
If we trade Callahan to the Blue Jackets, can we at least get one of Dubi or Artie back? I don't want to watch a line the Rangers developed within the division :(

I'm sure we'll trade Cally to a divisional rival that is just several points behind us.

I'm positive of this. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone. First, knock us out of our own playoff surge by trading our captain. Second, help out a team in our division - well in striking distance, potentially for years to come - likely make the playoffs... and give them a captain that they've been missing.

Efficiency. I like it.
 
There are definitely people like that in the hockey world. I don't think any of them are the people regularly posting in this thread. You would have no reason to be loyal to any one team if that was your poison. Those people live on the trade forum. Bernmeister is the closest thing we have and even then I am not 100% sure.



Shiny new toy is a myth perpetuated by people who don't have a better reason to justify why someone else might disagree with them regarding a team or player.

"I think we should trade player X, he's not a great fit here."

"Player x is awesome! You are just obsessed with shiny new toys!"



Disagree, where's the proof? Which posters are for sure these "transfer muppets?" Can you show me the posts where they come out and say this?



This is a bold claim to make without the proof to back it up. Name one poster on our board not named bernmeister who desires this. Then show me the posts where they either admit this, or even remotely hint at it.

You are taking it too personally and you took my post a bit out of context by only sharing one sentence of the paragraph. For as long as I have been here (going on 7 years now) I have seen it from a fair amount of posters. Look at the threads from the start of the season. People wanted to blow the team up and rebuild because of a 3-7 start. They wanted that shot at Reinhart or Ekblad (even better, trade them for 2015 firsts so we have a better shot at McDavid). There were more posters than just Snowblind (no offense) who said we should trade Lundqvist for firsts/prospects. This is an NHL 14 mentality.

There were many sane posters who understood it was a rough stretch with a new coach and injuries and then there were others who before we were even 5 games into the season wanted to blow the team up. That to me is making trades for the sake of making trades. Give what you have a chance before you start doing the Kansas City Shuffle. I am not digging through an entire month of threads to pull out post after post. I don't have that kind of time but you and I both know they are there.
 
Some of you guys are stuck in a rut.

I think to some extent, what SOS said, holds very true about some fans on this board.

For some, there is an inherent underlying need to see change on a roster - any roster. When people allude to this "not being NHL '14" or "fantasy sports" it's brushed aside as some sort of grande hyperbole and joke. The truth is... it isn't a joke.

It is a joke, to even suggest it. Can you prove this?

Show me the posts that prove that posters here are only on this board to see trades.
 
You are taking it too personally. For as long as I have been here (going on 7 years now) I have seen it from a fair amount of posters. Look at the threads from the start of the season. People wanted to blow the team up and rebuild because of a 3-7 start.

Thank you for proving my point. They wanted to trade players and rebuild because,

they are impatient and thought the team was worse than it actually is. This does not equal wanting to see trades for the sake of trades, a ridiculous and unfounded claim by people who cannot justify in their own head the reasons someone else might see the team differently than they do.

It's not about taking it personally, it's about not letting posters perpetuate a myth because they don't have an argument against why a player might have good reason to be traded.

Is every suggested trade or move here warranted? No, of course not, but some are and some posters have trouble accepting that might be true, so instead they create this narrative about a "mentality" built around video games and just getting high off of roster moves. Absurd.
 
Atkinson for Callahan actually has some potential, but I don't think we deal yet another former Rangers to the CBJ. Dubinsky plays his heart out against us.
 
It is a joke, to even suggest it. Can you prove this?

Show me the posts that prove that posters here are only on this board to see trades.

Every year, around the trade deadline.

People are constantly complaining (mainly on the trade board) that there's not enough trades happening.
Trades excite them. And I can't blame them. It is pretty exciting to see big names get traded.
 
Its the olympics.

Trades should be more frequent going forward with the contract length limit and the ability to retain salary in deals.
 
Every year, around the trade deadline.

People are constantly complaining (mainly on the trade board) that there's not enough trades happening.
Trades excite them. And I can't blame them. It is pretty exciting to see big names get traded.

I didn't say there weren't posters anywhere on the site who didn't only like trades. Also, just because people feel like there weren't enough fireworks on trade deadline day doesn't mean they only care about trades.

Trade deadline day is basically a national holiday in Canada so I can understand why some of them are hoping for some big moves.

None of this equates to posters on HFNYR only being here because they want to see trades.
 
Thank you for proving my point. They wanted to trade players and rebuild because,

they are impatient and thought the team was worse than it actually is. This does not equal wanting to see trades for the sake of trades, a ridiculous and unfounded claim by people who cannot justify in their own head the reasons someone else might see the team differently than they do.

It's not about taking it personally, it's about not letting posters perpetuate a myth because they don't have an argument against why a player might have good reason to be traded.

Is every suggested trade or move here warranted? No, of course not, but some are and some posters have trouble accepting that might be true, so instead they create this narrative about a "mentality" built around video games and just getting high off of roster moves. Absurd.

These are the same people who wanted to blow up the team and rebuild during our first losing streak during 11-12 when we were the best team in the east. Trading the best goaltender in the league because of the first true cold streak in his career (this year) is not "thinking differently", it is lunacy. There was no good reason to trade Lundqvist in 11-12 and there wasn't to start the year. It is the same people who wanted to trade Lundqvist after Chad Johnsons first shut out (that thread is quite easy for you to find). Hence all of the Prince Chad jokes.

Trading Lundqvist to keep Chad Johnson, a goaltender who has played one game and hand the reigns of your team over to him is not thinking differently, it is a word that is not allowed on these forums. Why do it? To make a trade. To get whatever it is they are after (whatever over rated prospect they see on the main boards or to get a 1st from a team that is low in the standings to finally get a #1 pick). These are the same people who would trade Girardi because of one solid game by a kid like Allen or want to trade Brassard when we are 3rd or 4th in the East and give a rookie (who although he is dominating the AHL, has yet to play well in the NHL) 2C duties because of what we could get for the BrassGod. You see it as thinking differently. I think of it as fantasy and trade mongering. There is no realism to trading Brassard right now and giving a spot to Miller, is there? So why do it? To make a trade and get more picks/prospects. There are just two examples. These people exist. Doesn't make them bad posters. But they do exist.


I didn't say that. I suggest that some have an inherent need to see change. That's apparent in the countless posts blowing up the team.

No one is going to come on here and claim they need that. Their actions (in this case constant proposals) say otherwise.

Edit: Maybe that is a better way of phrasing it. For some that need to see change is always through trades.
 
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Columbus was never considered a rival of ours but now they are in the same division as us and there's a strong possibility that our teams could meet in the playoffs. Teams like this rarely make trades with each other, especially during the deadline. It would be similar to us making a deadline deal with Washington the past few seasons, it's hard to comprehend that happening. Columbus appears to give no ****s about this but I'd hope that the Rangers would be a bit leery of reuniting the Pack Line only to face them in the playoffs. If such a deal goes down, they better make Columbus sweeten the pot.
 
It is a joke, to even suggest it. Can you prove this?

Show me the posts that prove that posters here are only on this board to see trades.

I didn't say that. I suggest that some have an inherent need to see change. That's apparent in the countless posts blowing up the team.

No one is going to come on here and claim they need that. Their actions (in this case constant proposals) say otherwise.
 
These are the same people who wanted to blow up the team and rebuild during our first losing streak during 11-12 when we were the best team in the east. Trading the best goaltender in the league because of the first true cold streak in his career (this year) is not "thinking differently", it is lunacy. There was no good reason to trade Lundqvist in 11-12 and there wasn't to start the year. It is the same people who wanted to trade Lundqvist after Chad Johnsons first shut out (that thread is quite easy for you to find). Hence all of the Prince Chad jokes.

Trading Lundqvist to keep Chad Johnson, a goaltender who has played one game and hand the reigns of your team over to him is not thinking differently, it is a word that is not allowed on these forums. Why do it? To make a trade. To get whatever it is they are after (whatever over rated prospect they see on the main boards or to get a 1st from a team that is low in the standings to finally get a #1 pick). These are the same people who would trade Girardi because of one solid game by a kid like Allen or want to trade Brassard when we are 3rd or 4th in the East and give a rookie (who although he is dominating the AHL, has yet to play well in the NHL) 2C duties because of what we could get for the BrassGod. You see it as thinking differently. I think of it as fantasy and trade mongering. There is no realism to trading Brassard right now and giving a spot to Miller, is there? So why do it? To make a trade and get more picks/prospects. There are just two examples. These people exist. Doesn't make them bad posters. But they do exist.

In your opinion.*

There are people who don't see it the same way you do, and maybe you are the lunatic in their opinion, no?

Once again, the reasons are listed right there for you to see clearly, yet you reduce the argument to, "because tradezzz!"

To make a trade and get more picks/prospects.

See bolded. That is not the same as,

"To make a trade."

notice the conjunction 'and' in your sentence.
 
Thank you for proving my point. They wanted to trade players and rebuild because,

they are impatient and thought the team was worse than it actually is. This does not equal wanting to see trades for the sake of trades, a ridiculous and unfounded claim by people who cannot justify in their own head the reasons someone else might see the team differently than they do.

It's not about taking it personally, it's about not letting posters perpetuate a myth because they don't have an argument against why a player might have good reason to be traded.

Is every suggested trade or move here warranted? No, of course not, but some are and some posters have trouble accepting that might be true, so instead they create this narrative about a "mentality" built around video games and just getting high off of roster moves. Absurd.

You got me. I'm trying to perpetuate a myth and creating a narrative. I don't think you read what I post. I say in all my posts

"I don't know what the right thing to do is

"I see all the reasons people want to trade Callahan"

"Even I wanted to move him in November if the team continued to struggle"

That doesn't help your point though. Neither do the qualifying statements

"Certain posters"
"Some fans, not all"


I'm not the only person who believes it. Then you have the nerve to ask for examples, for what? To piss off people, to call out posters? Why would anybody do that? People see the same thing I see and it's not all fans, it's some fans.

You don't know what the right thing to do is, neither do I. You crucify somebody, take certain phrases out of context. When someone says in a long post "anything can happen" it drives you crazy. Yet, you have the nerve to push for trades that bring back prospects. You know a lot of the rationale of trading for prospects is "anything can happen" but who cares about that right?

This is a message board. Everybody isn't going to agree with what you post. Get over it! I'm not perpetuating a myth, I'm giving my opinion. If you don't like it I don't care. You even noticed I didn't post for a few weeks. That's scary.

In my opinion some posters would rather see a trade and appreciate the off ice stuff more than the on ice stuff. So what! Does it really matter that I think that? No, and as I said last night I'm probably wrong because I often am.
 
I didn't say that. I suggest that some have an inherent need to see change. That's apparent in the countless posts blowing up the team.

Needing to see change, what does that mean? New coach, new players, new transactions? Trades? It's saying the same thing in a different way. Movement for the sake of movement. No one wants to see that, they have reason for wanting to see the change, justified or not.

No one is going to come on here and claim they need that. Their actions (in this case constant proposals) say otherwise.

So, what you are suggesting is this, people join the board, put up the facade of being a fan of a team, and then start clamoring for roster movement to feed some odd desire they have to get high off 'change', or trades?

Why? Why go through all that trouble? Just go sit in the trade board and fantasize until you're content.

Again, this constant accusation and putting a posters fandom on trial around here because people don't see things in the same light as you is ridiculous.

You're not real fans because:

You actually hate this team.
You want to see them lose.
You just want to see trades.
You would trade your captain.
You are negative and don't believe in them.
You would rather tank than be mediocre.

The list goes on and on. They're just poor excuses for an argument and unacceptable.
 
"Certain posters"
"Some fans, not all"


I'm not the only person who believes it.

I'm saying that no one on HFNYR actually feels this way, so yes I am challenging your claim of even "certain" or "some" posters.

Just because you're not the only person who believes it doesn't make it correct.

Lots of people used to think the Earth was flat, too.
 
since Buchnevich is in the KHL any chance the Rangers are scouting 23 year old out of the KHL Fyodor Malykhin?? seems to have good scoring ability but is a another small forward but skilled..


22 goals 42 pts in 50 games this year in KHL

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=139643








maybe another Zucc. seems to be solid in the shootout.. anyone have any info on him??
 
Some of you guys are stuck in a rut.

I think to some extent, what SOS said, holds very true about some fans on this board.

For some, there is an inherent underlying need to see change on a roster - any roster. When people allude to this "not being NHL '14" or "fantasy sports" it's brushed aside as some sort of grande hyperbole and joke. The truth is... it isn't a joke.

These players have lives, homes, families, ties to the city that they inhabit. When I come on here during the offseason, fans are full of 6-7 trade proposals at a time, claiming that the team would be better because of each.

In a team dynamic, familiarity and chemistry is KEY to team success. It's fundamental. Players grow emotional connections to one another, and in a sport like hockey, they eventually fight and go to war for each other.

2 months ago, I witnessed many fans on this board list maybe 8-9 players they thought should be moved by next year. Boyle, Moore, Girardi, Callahan, Del Zotto, Richards, Brassard, Pouloit, Stralman.

Some went further and began moving off Nash, Stepan, and Staal. And then the same fans complain that the team plays with emotional disconnect. That they don't stick up for one another. That they don't seem to care.

And, to make matters worse, nearly every deal was for prospects and picks - i.e. assets that are not only unproven but have a high historical probability of failure. And the justification and premise of this is either that our own players are lousy or that we need to prepare for the future. The funny this is that the future is uncertain and in such matters, the planning is a very imprecise art. And unfortunately, the Rangers track record with such tactics seems to be rather average, at best.

A smaller majority had rational solutions - like a moderate selling off of assets that aren't essential for our success. Which makes sense. But that has changed, even in those, recently.

As with most things in NY, the media got control of a story, and has beat it to death over the past few weeks and months. Naturally, a lot of our fans have eaten up the words of these makeshift journalists who mix fact with opinion, rumor with speculation, and have begun the perpetuating cycle of trading half our team away like (as SOS said) stocks.

From last Thursday, the media made the Callahan saga into something much more than what it was. Will Cally even be in practice? Is there a trade imminent? Rangers set a deadline at 2 PM for Cally to be traded. Etc. Half the board was nearly positive that he'd be gone by Friday. Yet, Friday came, and it may have been the most anticlimactic hours before a deadline known to our generation.

So where does this leave us now? Logic would prevail that most of us would relax, watch the Olympics, and give the subject a break for at least the roster freeze... but I come back and the same speculation exists, the same trade proposals surface.

No new rumors. No new facts. Opinion. Speculation. Ungratefulness.

Ungrateful that we finally have a team that could take us far. Ungrateful for the players that have gotten us here.

And in the midst of it all, a very successful 2 month run that has offered quite a lot of hope for this season, has been lost on a bunch of you. I've seen a lot of posters say "I want the team to succeed but...."... funny thing is, those posters tend to be the most negative and tend to turn as quickly as the tide turns. Keep talking about what the Rangers should do, about how unhappy you'll be in the event that they don't appease your desires, and in the meantime... miss out on the team that's actually creating a lot of noise and buzz on the ice.

Keep at it guys!

In all due respect I am not addressing your post solely. This post is my view addressing some issues I've noticed from few posters lately on the boards. Forgive my writing, some 45 years ago I achieved 450 on my English SAT's. Thus, I hope for the best.

First and foremost this a message board. It is one step removed from Fantasy hockey. Most posters are tolerant of others. However, Some wish to run this board as the thought police mandating the opinions that could be expressed. Some understand that everyone has a view which should be freely expressed.


Some Posts I agree with while some I believe to be unrealistic. If anyone or a collection of posters express their opinion what impact does this have on the teams play? If someone suggests an idea for trade and the team stands pat does that mean that they now need to root against the team? Suppose they do? Does it hinder the teams play? That's the posters problem. It shouldn't affect the reader. Debates are fine. Censorship, not so much.

Who cares how the media is handling the issues of Cally, for example? Who cares how other posters are dealing with the teams ups and downs (oops. I mean ups and ups)? How does the players families enter into the consideration of what should be posted regarding a trade on this message board? Are we now the GM's Although some of us think we are (back to fantasy hockey). Whose problem is it?

Since the Olympic break is on should everyone stop posting? Everyone should sit back and relax? Many posters shouldn't be ungrateful that they are watching possibly a team that could beat expectations (that's their problem)?

Why? Who decides what's right or wrong to post and the timing? Perhaps some readers need to chill out or use the ignore button if they don't like what's been presented?

I fear that this board is becomming unhinged. I am disappointed at times by some of the posts. Blow up the team, oops they won 3 in row, keep everyone , change the GM, etc are thoughts we've read at times. Sometimes in one day. Annoying? At times. Crazy? At times. But hey, this is a message board.

The problem I have found on this board has less to do with the posts rather than the ability of the posters to handle what has been written. Thus the thought police feels the needs to be on constant watch.

That's my disappointment with the board.

The end goal is to have fun not stifle the posters views

All the best.
 
You're not real fans because:

You actually hate this team.
You want to see them lose.
You just want to see trades.
You would trade your captain.
You are negative and don't believe in them.
You would rather tank than be mediocre.

The list goes on and on. They're just poor excuses for an argument and unacceptable.

Sadly I'm all of those:laugh:
 
That one midget has been one of, if not the, best offensive players all season. If that's what being a midget entails then sign me up.

Has nothing to do with his on ice performance, and Atkinson is a great player. It's just not ideal to buid a top 6 group around small players, no matter how big they play. Only one per roster, please.
 
In your opinion.*

There are people who don't see it the same way you do, and maybe you are the lunatic in their opinion, no?

Once again, the reasons are listed right there for you to see clearly, yet you reduce the argument to, "because tradezzz!"



See bolded. That is not the same as,

"To make a trade."

notice the conjunction 'and' in your sentence.

So I give you two examples and this is all you have? Come on. How do you receive additional prospects/picks? Making trades. I edited by post above. KejJets said it much better. There is an inherent need for change. For some, that need comes via trades. Would that not mean that those posters are trade mongers? You act as if I am saying we should banish these people simply because of what I think.

Do I think we have a poster on HFNYR who could care less about the team but is just concerned about the trades we make? No (I know that is what you want to hear). However, I do believe we have our share of trade mongers. People who have an inherent need for change and constantly want to make our team younger and younger (or more geared towards one system or another) via trades. To these people a player over 25/26 is over the hill. The people who would trade half the current team to get a rookie who scored 5 goals in his first 5 games but not an established goalscorer who is 27 years old. They would make 10 trades in a season.

I have no idea why you are being so defensive about this.
 
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