Rumor: Trade Thread XVIII: Brace Yourselves. Friday Is Coming.

[ArPanet]

Letang had a stroke, it's been reported.

 

[Ail]

Would guys really not be happy with this?

Kreider-Stastny-Nash
Hagelin-Brassard-Yakupov
Zuccarello-Miller-Pouliot

We get younger, quicker and more offensively potent. We would absolutely need to roll a bruising, shutdown 4th line though because that 2nd line definitely is a defensive question mark. BUT, I feel we can get away with it because of our D and Hank; put them out strictly with McDonagh/Girardi if possible

Lolol,


Dat center depth...

Unhappy? No, I would be nauseous and furious.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Perhaps small deals involving non-Olympic risk, anything else I sincerely doubt.

Agreed. This makes much more sense.

If you trade for a guy not going to the olympics, he gets two+ weeks to learn your system, get acquainted with the coaches, etc. and he's not an injury risk.

If you trade for a guy who is going to the olympics, you pay his salary for nothing for two+ weeks and risk that he gets hurt and never actually suits up for you.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Perhaps small deals involving non-Olympic risk, anything else I sincerely doubt.

i bet Rangers trade Falk today maybe for a 4th line depth forward for or some depth for the Wolfpack??

Falk has not played much and Allen can be given another chance to prove that he can play in the NHL.

 

[NernieBichols]

Callahan already compromised to seven years. He will get seven as a free agent. Its a business. The Rangers and Bartlett spent the last two days discussing the contract. Nothing was accomplished. Callahan is better off waiting until July. Lundqvist got seven and $8.5M per. Plus a NMC. Lundqvist wanted eight years. He wasn't taking less than seven.

Oh did he, Callahan already compromised from 8 years to 7? And we know this bc. And Lundqvist's negotiations really have no baring or comparison on/to any other Ranger. Lundqvist is the Rangers, at least in terms of image, star-power etc.. He had the Rangers over a barrel. The only hand Sather had to play, was drawing it out and slamming him, and we see that got the Rangers, a skid dish (sp) lundqvist who had everyone going uh-oh

 

[McRanger]

Drury retired. Sather traded Gomez to free up the cap space to sign Gaborik, and Redden had to be sent down or else the Rangers would have had to trade from their core to get under the salary cap.

So yeah, I say more necessity. Additionally your statement reeks of ...... whatever you want to fill in the blanks with.

Logic? Common sense? Irreverence? Panache?

 

[NernieBichols]

Stepan needs to go see Gary Roberts this summer. His conditioning does not look up to where it should be. Even compared to where he was 3-4 years ago. He should be peaking physically.

I've been saying this to my dad for the last two seasons. Total assumption here but, I think Stepan turned 21 and started really enjoying beer and food. His dad certainly looks like he does as well. I like stepan a lot, as a player, a ranger, and a person... Spending the summer with Gary Roberts could lead to a huge season heading into his next contract. I'll pay him his ransom if he puts it together, no question.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Lolol,


Dat center depth...

Unhappy? No, I would be nauseous and furious.

That center depth is fine. We're never going to have Crosby-Malkin-Staal down the middle, we simply don't pick high enough. I'm of the belief that Brassard is a #2C that's being blocked this year, and that Miller will be ready next season.

Stastny
Brassard
Miller
Moore
Boyle

That's not terrible at all. I've come to terms with the fact that C will never be our strong suit. If this team's going to win, it's going to win being built more like Boston than Pittsburgh. We're strong from the net out, with a damn good group of forwards. A top 6 winger group of Nash, Kreider, Hagelin and Yakupov/Perron/whomever we get for Stepan is also a highly potent group. Not to mention our third line has been HUGE for us thus far

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

i like how the Rangers dont have a 6th round pick because they traded it for Justin Falk who has not played in over 3 weeks. great trade that was.. Sather likes throwing away draft picks for guys that dont even play... who is next this year???

 

[NernieBichols]

Do you realize that Hagelin is averaging 18.45 goals per 82 games in his career? Do you realize that this year he's on pace for 20.5 goals per 82 games?

I know AV and the staff loves how Kreider backs off the D, allowing Nash more room to operate. But it seems like that has become stale, I don't know if it is bc other D have adapted to it, or bc Nash isn't as into it as he was acouple weeks ago.

I might try flip-flopping hags and kreider. Hags has played well with both Step and Nash.

I think a kreider-miller-callahan line could be pretty good for the rangers

 

[AHB*]

That center depth is fine. We're never going to have Crosby-Malkin-Staal down the middle, we simply don't pick high enough. I'm of the belief that Brassard is a #2C that's being blocked this year, and that Miller will be ready next season.

Stastny
Brassard
Miller
Moore
Boyle

That's not terrible at all. I've come to terms with the fact that C will never be our strong suit. If this team's going to win, it's going to win being built more like Boston than Pittsburgh. We're strong from the net out, with a damn good group of forwards. A top 6 winger group of Nash, Kreider, Hagelin and Yakupov/Perron/whomever we get for Stepan is also a highly potent group. Not to mention our third line has been HUGE for us thus far

That is trash. Look at teams that have won the cup recently. Not even remotely close.

Stastny is a 1B, if that anymore.
Brassard is playing like a 3 or 2B.
Miller is completely unproven.

No way you win with that group. Heck, I don't think you win with

Stasnty
Stepan
Brassard/Miller
Boyle/Moore

And that's a million times better then what you proposed.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

i like how the Rangers dont have a 6th round pick because they traded it for Justin Falk who has not played in over 3 weeks. great trade that was.. Sather likes throwing away draft picks for guys that dont even play... who is next this year???

What? Falk has been good for us this year in his role. He's one of the few guys we have that plays with some snarl. He's a perfect 7th d man. What happens when one of our D gets hurt? He's needed

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Oh, don't get me wrong - I don't want them signing any big UFAs this summer. If they buy out Richie, trade Cally and/or Girardi, I want them to sign their RFAs, promote Miller/Lindberg to play 3C and then keep whatever space they have left. I was just curious as to BRB's opinion.

I like Vanek. But the guy is going to get his 7 years/$50M+

Until the Rangers get their **** together in regards to a longer term strategy, I am against handing out any long-term contract like that. Signing the best players on the market to silly deals is no way to build a team

 

[NernieBichols]

Sather traded Kotalik a few months after signing him. He walked away from Zherdev in arbitration one year after trading for him. He fired Trottier without giving him a full season. Sather isn't afraid to admit a mistake. The Richards contract was designed to be a six year contract. The Rangers and Newport used the Kovalchuk amendment to structure the contract. Then the CBA included recapture which changed the rules. The PA signed off on the changes. Girardi and Callahan want big contracts. I don't blame them. I would want my last contract to be a big contract. The Rangers need to be careful with those contracts. Money. Term. Restriction clauses. Aging players. You get stuck with those players and end up like the Flames. The Canucks are going to be the new Flames which is why Tortorella is pushing for changes. Too many long term contracts. Its hard to change that team. VAN signed Edler and Burrows to extensions and now both players are struggling. They could look to move them if they can. Why did they re-sign them? MacTavish signs Gagner to a 3 year deal and now he is trying to move him. The Oilers might need to retain salary to move the player. The Rangers have to avoid becoming one of those teams which has too many long term contracts. It becomes the same team every year.

Im in agreement with everything written here.

I have little concern that Girardi will be worth the contract he would get from the Rangers, on another team with a different D corp, I don't know, kinda like Ference playing way above his head. But Girardi alongside Mac or Staal, I have very little concern.

 

[NernieBichols]

We lost a game we should have won, Stepan was the player deemed by the masses to be the player performing furthest below his ability, and so now we want him gone. Pretty predictable fickle logic.

Ha ha ha ha. Sums it up quite well

 

[Made Dan]

Would guys really not be happy with this?

Kreider-Stastny-Nash
Hagelin-Brassard-Yakupov
Zuccarello-Miller-Pouliot

We get younger, quicker and more offensively potent. We would absolutely need to roll a bruising, shutdown 4th line though because that 2nd line definitely is a defensive question mark. BUT, I feel we can get away with it because of our D and Hank; put them out strictly with McDonagh/Girardi if possible

I would certainly not be happy with that, but I wanted to compliment you on your username. Cracked me up.

 

[Leetch3]

Filppula with a fractured ankle.

Cue the Callahan to TB rumors?

they didn't make a move when stamkos got hurt but they are gonna make a panic move to replace filppula lol

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

That is trash. Look at teams that have won the cup recently. Not even remotely close.

Stastny is a 1B, if that anymore.
Brassard is playing like a 3 or 2B.
Miller is completely unproven.

No way you win with that group. Heck, I don't think you win with

Stasnty
Stepan
Brassard/Miller
Boyle/Moore

And that's a million times better then what you proposed.

Are you sure about that?

The Blackhawks just won the cup with Toews/Handzus down the middle. Toews is obviously elite, but Handzus is garbage. AND, Toews had a very sub-par playoffs. That team was carried by their wingers and defensemen, Crawford played well too.

Brassard is on pace for 46 points in somewhat limited ice time on the 3rd line. I can say with utmost certainty that he can put up 55 points with 2nd line ice time. Stastny is pretty much a lock for 65 points as well, and has put up well over 70 several times. I'd bet money he won't have a problem hitting 70 with Nash and Kreider on his wings. He's also excellent on draws.

Lol..and you propose Grabovski as slotting into our #1C spot as an upgrade, and then call Stastny a 1B? You're kidding right?

 

[NernieBichols]

i dont know why many GMs would be floored with that. it was the islanders that offered him the deal and in a few months multiple teams will be offering him that money and he will have his choice of where he wants to play.

This is how I feel. I didn't know as of a couple months ago, that Vanek went to school in Minny and that his wife is from Minny. Got an owner that pays, has a good foundation and go to guys. Vanek will kinda be like Hossa on the Hawks, an awesome sniper, who's role on the team is to simply be the player he can be on the ice.

There would be a lot of pressure staying with the Islanders and the Islanders are kind of a circus organizationally. Not surprised at all he doesn't want to stay with the Islanders.

 

[NernieBichols]

Letang had a stroke, it's been reported.

WOW. talk about left-field. The way it was being talked about, it seemed like something off-beat. Something that threw people for a loop. I hope it doesn't indicate a more serious matter. I've always liked Letang as a player.

 

[NernieBichols]

Logic? Common sense? Irreverence? Panache?

I only know what 2 of those words mean.

But yeah, logical and common sense, would sum up those decisions on those 3 players. So yeah, I am glad Sather's ego didn't get in the way of those.

And to take it completely separate from any deal or decision. If you don't think Sather's a little egotistical, I don't know what to say, and I don't think I should spend my time debating it.

More to my original point though, is that the decisions' Sather made on those 3 players, was logical and common sense, so to say that he told his ego to pipe down in order to make those decisions, to me just sounds like someone who wants to stick up for Sather.

 

[NYR Viper]

I like Vanek. But the guy is going to get his 7 years/$50M+

Until the Rangers get their **** together in regards to a longer term strategy, I am against handing out any long-term contract like that. Signing the best players on the market to silly deals is no way to build a team

Agreed. And I like Vanek as well.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Oh, look, the trade Stepan brigade is back. Wonderful.

Thankfully, Sather wouldn't move Stepan unless an actual upgrade was coming back (and not a 30 year old one), and that'll never happen, so I will enjoy keeping Stepan and seeing the same people ***** and moan every game.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Oh, look, the trade Stepan brigade is back. Wonderful.

Thankfully, Sather wouldn't move Stepan unless an actual upgrade was coming back (and not a 30 year old one), and that'll never happen, so I will enjoy keeping Stepan and seeing the same people ***** and moan every game.

Stepan is a jack of all trades and a master of none. Thats not a knock on him. He is an effective player.

If he skated faster and had a worse hockey IQ, the fans would love him more because he'd pass their stupid eye test.

 

[McRanger]

I only know what 2 of those words mean.

But yeah, logical and common sense, would sum up those decisions on those 3 players. So yeah, I am glad Sather's ego didn't get in the way of those.

And to take it completely separate from any deal or decision. If you don't think Sather's a little egotistical, I don't know what to say, and I don't think I should spend my time debating it.

More to my original point though, is that the decisions' Sather made on those 3 players, was logical and common sense, so to say that he told his ego to pipe down in order to make those decisions, to me just sounds like someone who wants to stick up for Sather.

Sather is egotistical to the point of psychosis but it has never gotten in the way of making those types of tough decisions. He's cut ties with several of "his" players after only a year or eve a few months.

His willingness to correct his mistakes is one of the few things I respect about Sather. I just wish he would stop making them in the first place.