broadwayblue
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If you wanted a top player from another team and the GM told you it was going to take Kreider or Cally, you pick...who do you send packing?
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If you wanted a top player from another team and the GM told you it was going to take Kreider or Cally, you pick...who do you send packing?
Yea, don't think CBJ would want to give him up. But i'd imagine those are realistically the only 2 that interest the Rangers for Cally.
smoneil
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Three things bother me about this post.
First--You get agitated about the notion that people think Callahan is injury prone. Other people do as well. They cry out, "no no, he only missed time in two seasons!" Watch what happens when those same people react to concerns about Cally's production rate, particularly in the playoffs. THEN the narrative becomes "He was playing hurt! He HAD to be!" You get to have it one way or the other. Either he's injury prone and that hurts his performance (even when he does play through it), or he isn't and there are serious questions about his production (particularly in the postseason). It's dishonest to discount injury in one post and cite injury in another.
Second--It isn't three months of lowering production, it's three years. Callahan's production rate peaked in the 2010-11 season. He signed his current contract with the big raise right after that season. His production rate has decreased each season since signing that contract. While I do think it is too early to make claims that a player's best years are behind him in his late 20s (though that is exactly what you did during Dubinsky's ONE down year), he's on a three year downward trend.
Third--You are putting love for a player over the best interests of the team. I get that, I do. It makes total sense with a player like Callahan. He will ALWAYS be more than he is as a player in our arena than he would be in someone else's. I'm all for keeping him, even though I think we would be a better team with what we could get for him in trade. That said, it has to be within reason.
He was paid based on a higher salary cap than what we have now, after a season that marked his career best production rate. He failed to live up to that cap number. There is no way that it makes sense to give him a 50% increase over the long term for that failure.
Looking at it logically, the only solution is to trade him for a big return.
Looking at it with my heart on my sleeve, I'd be comfortable with the team giving him his 6 million on a VERY short term contract (2 years) or giving him his current salary on a longer term (5 years). Both of those contracts would be generous based on his actual production.
All that being said, however, it is his right entirely to get more if he wants (and can get) more. If 4+x5 or 6x2 aren't enough, then he has every right to move on and get paid. It doesn't make him a bad person, and it doesn't denigrate what he's done for this franchise. I just don't want to see him become a hated figure like Messier became in his second tenure here. And if he's making 6+ over a long term contract, his play will never come close to justifying that. The hate will be inevitable with those numbers.
NYR Viper
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I mean Johansen, Murray, Atkinson, they have pieces, but I'm not sure who specifically
IMO if slats gave someone permission to speak to the agent it's because he's got a deal worked out
For the reasons rangerboy mentioned above
And Hagelin is a much better Defensive player than cally these days
And Richards and brassard are far more important to the team now their powerplay abilities alone. Callahan actually doesn't even play on the PP anymore he lost that job too
I can't imagine a 6 million dollar forward not good enough to play on either of his teams powerplay units. Kinda backs my point. He's prob the the 8th or 9th best forward on team
For the reasons rangerboy mentioned above
And Hagelin is a much better Defensive player than cally these days
And Richards and brassard are far more important to the team now their powerplay abilities alone. Callahan actually doesn't even play on the PP anymore he lost that job too
I can't imagine a 6 million dollar forward not good enough to play on either of his teams powerplay units. Kinda backs my point. He's prob the the 8th or 9th best forward on team
Paulie Walnutz
HFNYR JUST AS SOFT AS NYR
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Yeah I think we'd all want Johansen but with his breakout year it'd have to be a massive overpayment and no, before anyone proposes it a signed Cally plus Brassard won't get it done
Kesler for Cally would work for both teams.
Kesler dealing with same durability issues Cally is critiqued for. Production has fallen to Cally levels.
People are over rating Kes and under rating Cally. It's a lateral swap that makes sense for both teams. Cally is reunited with Torts. Kesler allows us to buy out Brad, give us the same production that Cally gives us, with the same heart/intensity and still have a bomb PP shot after Brad leaves.
It's a very fair trade in my opinion.
Only thing is, I think Torts likes Kes and the two of them together would be the exact identity Torts tried to build here. He plays him 25 + minutes a game sometimes. That's absurd for a forward.
Edler makes more sense... from the Canucks at least.
But point is, Kesler for Cally would and should work for both teams if that's an avenue they want to pursue.
Kesler dealing with same durability issues Cally is critiqued for. Production has fallen to Cally levels.
People are over rating Kes and under rating Cally. It's a lateral swap that makes sense for both teams. Cally is reunited with Torts. Kesler allows us to buy out Brad, give us the same production that Cally gives us, with the same heart/intensity and still have a bomb PP shot after Brad leaves.
It's a very fair trade in my opinion.
Only thing is, I think Torts likes Kes and the two of them together would be the exact identity Torts tried to build here. He plays him 25 + minutes a game sometimes. That's absurd for a forward.
Edler makes more sense... from the Canucks at least.
But point is, Kesler for Cally would and should work for both teams if that's an avenue they want to pursue.
Paulie Walnutz
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17futurecap
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Yeah I think we'd all want Johansen but with his breakout year it'd have to be a massive overpayment and no, before anyone proposes it a signed Cally plus Brassard won't get it done
Agreed, think if its Columbus, its guys like Foligno, Letestu, Nikitin, possibly Artie? Of course not all of those guys, but think those would be the names mentioned.
Yea... who's on the ice when we have a lead and want to hold it for the final minute?
Cally...
He's not as useless as you make him seem.
NYR Viper
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I think we'd be looking at what Richards brought back from the Kings if he'll sign.
Schenn + Simmonds + 1st/2nd
Young top end prospect, young 3rd liner + pick
The rumors of Stewart and McGinn make sense as the 2nd portion of that package.
Schenn + Simmonds + 1st/2nd
Young top end prospect, young 3rd liner + pick
The rumors of Stewart and McGinn make sense as the 2nd portion of that package.
PlamsUnlimited
Big Church Bells
Oh please. 11-12 was the exception to the rule. That team had a coach that beat the effort into them night after night, and after one successful season, they flopped and then got their coach fired. I love whenever someone questions the battle level of the team, some self proclaimed superfan comes in and starts rattling on about the 11-12 season. A season where we barely beat two inferior teams in 7 game series only to get bounced by another weak team in the ECF. A season where had we not had a hot start, we would have been a bubble team AGAIN.
So the team competed under Renny, but they fired him because they wanted MORE compete level? How does that make any sense.
Joke's on you. Get a clue.
Oh please man. Get a clue yourself. The Rangers were playing tough hard hockey dating back back to at least the beginning of 2010-2011. Don't try calling me a super fan and playing me like that. I know Ive watched, I know what Im talking about.
THat is exactly why they fired Renney, I think there are direct quotes stating they wanted a coach who would help bring that out in the entire team more consistently. Callahan, Dubinsky, Staal, Girardi, those 4 guys and Hank were almost solely responsible for the Rangers even being competitive, and the FO decided they needed a coach who would demand it from the rest of the team.
Dont diss me, I never called myself super fan, thats super lame. but Im calling you on your BS. Joke's on me ha
Seriously, can we have some honesty here. That is what those guys were bringing. And the rest of the team needed to match it, so Renney was let go and they brought in torts.
Additionally those two inferior teams A) one of them washington had just beaten the #2 seed boston in 7, and B) the senators, with nearly the same team as the team that lost to the rangers wiped the floor with the #2 seed Canadians last year. Those teams weren't bad teams.
You want to talk about trendy. Its trendy to say the 2011-12 team was bad bc they had difficulty in playoff series (which they end up winning) against teams that were better than anyone gives credit for. You want to say that style is unsustainable, I'd admit the rangers didn't have enough in the tank when it came time to the devil series. I'm honest man, I'm not saying what I'm saying simply bc it sounds good. It's the truth.
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TheTakedown
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Totally possible. He gets to play with Dubi again... Lights a new fire in him, we get gabs a prospect and a first back :p
I was calling this earlier. I wonder....Hmm
PlamsUnlimited
Big Church Bells
Bo Horvat. Whenever he's ready. So in like a year or 2. Stop gap guy until then.
Not gonna be a perfect transition, it took Torts 2-3 years to get the team he wanted.
I don't understand what the obsession with Columbus is.
Please no more trades for Blue Jackets. I don't even want any of their good players at this point.
Kakko
Formerly Chytil
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
Pls, konjots, pls
Seriously, no. this would not happen. Columbus loves Dubinsky and he is still butthurt about New York.
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