There's no conspiracy bud, look at the f***ing tape, it's right there. You tell me which goals McDavid is at fault for. You can't say shit because if you've watched the short highlights, you know full well you have nothing to go off of. +/- is a very flawed stat especially if you're looking at very tiny sample sizes. I've brought reciepts and shown the games and looked at every goal against, it's not hard to do.
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There's no conspiracy bud, look at the f***ing tape, it's right there. You tell me which goals McDavid is at fault for. You can't say shit because if you've watched the short highlights, you know full well you have nothing to go off of. +/- is a very flawed stat especially if you're looking at very tiny sample sizes. I've brought reciepts and shown the games and looked at every goal against, it's not hard to do.
Ok, so McDavid is the victim of all his teammates, bears no responsibility, and being by far the deepest player in the (-) territory on the team is 100% on everyone else on the team, and its a complete coincidence that he, and he only isn't scoring 5v5, while getting blown up the other way. Got it.
There isn't a conspiracy, but logical fallacy is hitting you hard.
Here's a hint for you for why he's racking up GAs - a lot of the problems start with bad plays or turnovers in the o zone that are going the other way and on net. Go look at the Makar goal here (the first one). He takes a bad angle on the forecheck, dogs it back, then his guy scores. Poor goal for the goalie to allow, but the play started with a bad play in the o zone and a lazy back check. That's just one example.
It is the other players' fault. They shouldn't need McDavid to hold their hand every f***ing game. Secondly I'm seeing no goals against that are a fault of his play which is saying something because there's a shit ton of goals to pick from (18 in three games).
Hyman, RNH, Nurse, Evan "Gimme 10 million dollarz babeeee!" Bouchard, Stuart "I shoulda been on Team Canada" Skinner, Adam Henrique ... these guys should have more pride than to show up after 2 weeks off and give that effort.
Marner and Matthews have done f*** all for the Leafs since they came back and Toronto has won both of their games because guys like Tavares and Tanev and Stolarz and other depth players have stepped up.
Why is it the support core of this team doesn't have the professionalism after making a Cup Final to do the same?
Here it's always the same shit ... yeah the supporting cast was crap but that just means McDavid and Draisaitl need to put them on their back even moar!!!! Gimme a break. If a team like the freaking Leafs can show up to games post break without their two best players going 100% this team doesn't have an excuse.
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Yep they aren't playing great either.
Laughable to contend that he has absolutely nothing to do with the -11 though. Nobody else on the team is close.
More like this isn't a very good hockey team past 2 players who have to do most/all of the heavy lifting.
The rest of this "supporting cast" has very little shame or professionalism and its a hodge podge group built by very stupid management that has a bunch of holes which said 2 players constantly have to cover up for.
Compare and contrast even with a team of chokers like the Leafs are, how they came out of this break under very similar circumstances (Marner and Matthews gassed from the 4 Nations tournament and not contributing much). They win both games with no fuss, no goals from either Matthews or Marner is no problem. Their goalie actually makes some saves.
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12 players have outscored McDavid at ES since his last 5-on-5 point and he's a team worst -11...seem to me the other players are doing their jobs more than Connor is at the moment
he hasn't been good enough lately and there's no scenario where Brett Kulak should have more points than McDavid at ES
Has McDavid been playing well over this slide?
Yes or no.
Not a difficult question to answer. "It's all his teammates fault!" is not an answer. Has he been playing well? Very simple question. Matthews and Marner aren't relevant to the question, and the poor play pre-dates the 4 nations by a month.
Show me in the last three games who has done their job well on this team. And also if McDavid is so bad defensively, show me specifically which goals are his fault. Answer the question and stopping chickening out, if you want to bark up this tree then show your work. The video is easy to find and has been provided and takes only a minute or two to watch.
I see basically zero goals that are on McDavid in the last three games, maaaaaaaybe one at the tail end of the Washington game if you really want to stretch it when the game was already 4-1 and in the 3rd period.
This is also the problem of hiding behind a small sample size, people can check the tape and call your bullshit out very easily.
It is his teammates fault, I just counted 13/13 goals, maybe 12/13 if I'm being generous to your arguement that are the fault of his teammates. Actually make that 17/18 goals if you want to throw in the Colorado game too.
This is not a great hockey team, it's really two unbelievable players who are asked to carry a team that isn't a playoff team without them.
Is he playing well?
Yes, or no?
Not talking about his teammates. Is Connor McDavid playing well right now?
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here's one...play in the other team's end so you don't run of the risk of getting scored on
the best defense is playing in the offensive zone, something he hasn't been doing...as evidence by the lack of ES production
He's playing at a Barkov/Eichel All-Star ish level for a few weeks which is low for Connor's standards, but he should be pacing himself because playing into late June is incredibly hard anyway. The plus/minus is clearly skewed by idiotic plays from Bouchard and goalies that gift away soft goals like a grandma giving away candy on Halloween.
The team he's on constantly needs to be bailed out by him because the management is among the worst in pro sports.
How can you deny that he hasn't taken a step back? His shooting, stick handling and everything aren't what they were a a few seasons ago.
It's a small step back, but it's still a step back. Just because he's the captain, he's your favourite player or he's your crush doesn't mean you can't criticize a player and call it like it is.
So he's playing poorly, but you have to qualify it. Barkov and Eichel have been miles better than him since the new year, so he isn't there either.
This reminds me of like when LeBron James was like 26/27 in Miami and people were saying "he's on a decline!" because he wasn't dunking as much as he used to, lol.
Same thing happened to Ovechkin where some people felt he was declining in his 20s too (lol).
15 years later and both are still top players in the sport.
McDavid is pacing himself and he's smart to do so. There's nothing that valuable in the regular season when you know you have to carry a heavy burden in the playoffs. He's won everything a regular season can offer.
Going -11 over 4 games with zero sign of improvement while the team is reeling is not "pacing yourself." That's called playing like shit.
The fact that "oh he's just pacing himself" is an acceptable justification to you for this bottom of the barrel play while the team is losing is astounding in and of itself.
Even if that were true - you don't have a problem with the captain "pacing himself" to team worst results as we're getting spanked every night? Maybe "unpacing" himself for a night to help get the team back on track would be helpful.
You may be right, I guess we will see come the playoffs.
I also think it does not help that he is playing with garbage line mates. When he plays 5v 5 with Drai he looks good, but some players take steps back. It's reality
If he's at fault for those goals then fine, but when you can clearly watch the video and see he's basically not involved in most/any of the goals then that number you're fixated on means f*** all. It's a statistical abberation due to a short sample size inflated by shit goaltending and a D corps that has its head up its ass.
It's realistic for McDavid to "pace" himself, no one else in the sport has a bigger burden on his shoulders. Every other team that wins a Cup generally does so because the top players all get tons of help. Flordia, Vegas, Colorado and so on and so on.
McDavid and Draisaitl are the only two superstars in the sport that are expected to win a Cup but the management doesn't do their part in the bargain and give them a well built roster to work with. They're actively handicapped by their own management if anything (how else can one describe last summer?).
The fact that this is what RNH, Hyman, Bouchard, Stuart Skinner, Nurse bring to the table after what should be 2 weeks to rest and refocus is an embarrassment. One of these players is a no.1 overall pick, another one is paid $9.25 million, another one thinks he should be paid even more than that, the other one thinks he should be on Team Canada. Massive entitlement and not a whole lot of professionalism from that group. For shame.
One thing that might help the -11 that has nothing to do with the goalie is, you know, scoring. I'm sure that the fact that he's basically been a non factor offensively 5v5 for a month is everyone else's fault too.
Odd that his teammate, who is in the same class of player as him, has the exact same teammates (and typically plays with a revolving door of worse players on his line), plays in front of the exact same goalies, has managed to score 7 EV points since Feb 1, while only being -1. Really, really weird that this affliction of poor team mates has only hit McDavid.
Could it be that Draisaitl is playing up to, and above his standards, and McDavid hasn't? No, no. That's not it. It's everyone else's fault. But only for him. Not Leon. All the other teammates play well when Leon is on the ice, but just dog it when they see 97 come over the boards.
This is basically what you're saying.
How does the Oilers goal against have nothing to do with goaltending? Are the goals going in by teleportation magic?
There's a bunch of a soft goals going in and the forwards getting dinged for it. Then there's the one man nightmare in Bouchard who the coach has decided has no accountability for turnover after turnover.
Draisaitl has 2 weeks off and could go a little harder, Connor had the weight of a hockey crazed country on his shoulders going into that 4 Nations Tournament.
The rest of this team has no f***ing excuses whatsoever and should be ashamed of themselves.
McDavid not scoring 5v5 period has nothing to do with the goalies.
+/- account for both goals scored AND against. Leon's had GA's too, he's just still actually producing 5v5 at a rate expected of him. Again, this is since Feb 1. 4 Nations has nothing to do with it. McDavid had a week off at the end of Jan too.
Any other excuses that apply to him only, but not Leon?
So this team basically just folds up shop if one of their big two isn't scoring at a super high rate.
Totally normal, and totally doesn't put undue stress on the same two players.
What does that then say about the rest of this team.
Like this shit never works, lol, there's no pretzel you can twist yourself into here where the best player in the world is the one at fault and not instead the sub-par supporting cast of players that are frankly lucky to be carried hard by McDavid and Draisaitl year in/year out.
Again, not talking about his teammates.
Leon Draisaitl has the same teammates and plays in front of the same goalie and he has been nothing short of fantastic. Why isn't McDavid? Again, before you try and use the 4 Nations! and goaltending! and teammates! excuses, this level of play is over a pretty big sample now.
Why can one guy magically produce strong results while the other isn't while being on the same team? Could it be....... one is playing well and one isn't?
No, no, that's not it. It's managements fault Leon is scoring and McDavid isn't. Or is it the goalie? Or Nurse? I don't know. I can't keep track of the ridiculous and nonsensical excuses.
He's playing like shit. That's a fact. I'm 100% confident he'll find it again here. Still doesn't change the stone cold fact he's playing like shit.
There's plenty of little stretches in his career where Leon has been steaming hot ass offensively and legitimately bad defensively (like not as a +/- abberation) and McDavid has been the one carrying the team on his own, get the f*** outta here with that like you selectively choose to forget all of those stretches ("why are you so pissy Leon?").
McDavid is still objectively producing at over a PPG, that's not a "bad stretch", if your bad stretch is "I'm only scoring at a Sasha Barkov/Matthew Tkachuk rate offensively, man this is terrible" all that means is you're the best player in the world. If 1.4+ ppg is your freaking "down season", lol all that says it you're probably one of the 3 best players ever, period.
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