Rumor: Trade Thread XVI: Callahan looking for $6.85M+ AAV?

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Not too familiar with Stewart... Where would he slot in?

Stewart is a good forward with a skill set different than what the Blues need of him. Heavily structured, physical, defense-first systems do not suit Stewart's cherry-picking and run-and-gun skill set.

The fact that he is on the larger side of average and capable of fighting are nice attributes as well.

That's what I'm going to believe because I only watch teams in the east

 

[offdacrossbar]

To me. Stewart has proven he is the same player in STL as he was in Colorado.

Inconsistent in every aspect of his game that are his only assets.

I don't see this as equal value at all and after selling low on DZ, albeit, for a player that filled a need on many levels, IMO Sather should be fired immediatly for selling low on two worthwhile assets in one season.

Worthwhile assets need buyers to validate that statement.

Slats didn't sell low on mdz. Del zottos value was literally nil.

Some due to his play. Some due to our poor start to the season and some due to av's not liking the player. He was available for the best offer. Not exactly a ringing organizational endorsement.

as I stated earlier, addition by subtraction. A better, more involved John Moore and a steady cap friendly kk > then a marginal unproductive defensively average del zotto.

 

[eco's bones]

FWIW most players are inconsistent at least when it comes to scoring. Look at Nash for the major portion of this season. Callahan has been playing with Richards and Hagelin--they've all have been inconsistent as far as putting up points.

The thing is whatever other ways a player can help his team when he's not scoring. Nash really doesn't do a whole hell of a lot either when his game is off. Callahan has a lot of ways of helping his team--penalty killing, forechecking, just being a guy who plays with grit all the time and even when not scoring you get a consistent effort.

As far as Stewart is concerned--he would immediately become the Rangers toughest player. He is big and he can play mean. Though not a really frequent fighter he has an impressive fight card--Westgarth, Jared Boll twice, Colton Orr, Prust, Gazdic, Clifford, Bollig, Roussel, Zack Kassian twice, Carkner, Souray and Prout amongst others. He wins more than he loses. He's also a guy who is capable of scoring at a decent clip. A one time 60 + scorer. Add him to a 2nd round pick for Callahan who is going to leave the team unless he decides to take a lot less--it's not really a bad deal IMO. Stewart helps address an issue the Rangers have had in the past in the playoffs being outmuscled too often by bigger, less talented teams.

The thing would be to get Stewart to give his best effort consistently. He's not frigging Wolski though. A completely different animal IMO.

We come away with a 2nd anyway and we can move Stewart later on if he isn't working out.

 

[member 116805]

If Stewart is a Cally (or a light Cally) with a way less cap, its a good switch.
Yeah, Cally wants him and his family to be secure... bla bla. Most folks are able to do that with out making 6 mill per year

 

[member 116805]

Im not OK paying a working horse that kind of money.
For that kind of money I want someone who has skill, someone that brings something special.

 

[Callagraves]

If Stewart is a Cally (or a light Cally) with a way less cap, its a good switch.
Yeah, Cally wants him and his family to be secure... bla bla. Most folks are able to do that with out making 6 mill per year

He's not even close, to be honest.

Cally's scoring is inconsistent, but he's an effective player in every other way even when he's off.

Stewart is an inconsistent player, in every aspect of the game. Yeah, he can set the world on fire at times, but you won't notice him otherwise.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I like Stewart as a player, but I probably overvalue both inconsistent players and toughness. I've heard so much Rangers Rental Speculation that I'm kind of in a zen-like "come what may" place with it. Not like I trust Sather implicitly, but there are so many options and so much stuff re: what teams have the most interest we're not privy to that one day, it will just kind of *happen*.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Yea, Stewary is pretty much the anti-Callahan.

All the talent in the world. An absolute BEAST at times. When he's on he's way better than the aforementioned Wolski.

But that is too few and far between. Callahan has mediocre talent all world effort. Id be lying if I said I didn't have major concerns with the effect of swapping that out for a player who has issues staying motivated.

But realistically, right or wrong, it is a move I could absolutely see happening. A motivated Stewart is tantalizing. It won't happen (him finding consistency) but it could be alluring enough to get the Rangers to do the deal.

 

[NYR Viper]

There have to be other teams interested outside of STL. Stewart is an under-appreciated asset. He isn't a 2 way player. He isn't a hitter. He is a goal scorer in a big body. 26 years old. As long as you know that he is valuable.

Who else is interested? Colorado? McGinn has 14 goals this season. 25 years old. Big body who has very good speed and good hands. I doubt they move him without an extension in place.

LA? There were rumors they had Clifford available in the offseason. They have good depth right now. Clifford has underachieved to this point. Tough, hard nosed, good skater, still young. Would they include him? RW. Pearson is a good forward prospect.

Columbus? They are comfortable making deals for sure. Would they move Jenner? He is playing in the NHL now. Where does Callahan play on that team? Horton was just signed. RW. Gaborik is out right now, we all know he doesn't look good on the LW. Word was they wanted to possibly resign him. Atkinson is a RW. Younger Ray Whitney/Mike Cammalleri. Callahan can't play LW. I don't see a fit unless they move Gaborik which is possible. I'm sure teams would be interested.

TB. They just signed Filpulla in the offseason. He is a very good 2way center playing behind Stamkos. St Louis is getting older. Maybe they see Callahan as a good fit for the foreseeable future playing with Filpulla? Very solid second line playing behind a dominant 1st line? It wouldn't surprise me. They are a very good skating team.

Edmonton. I'm sure they would love to add him but I doubt he'd sign there.

Phoenix. I saw them play last night. Tippets loves 2way players but they need offensive help. Vermette has played very well behind Ribeiro. They have their ownership settled. That's a good young team. Comfort level for Sather with Maloney. Doan is an absolute fan favorite. Similar styles. Vrbata is the other top 6 RW, he is a UFA at years end. I think Maloney has ownerships okay to spend some money. They have defense coming up and Yandle has been available. Maybe they like Callahan and move Yandle elsewhere to save money if need be.

 

[cd211]

everyone hated on the carcillo trade.. if stewart does come here.. lets wait and see.. players get motivated playing on a new team and a big market..

 

[NYR2007]

how often do these rumors become true ? If Cally is dealt it would be for players that we won't know about until it is done

 

[Bullseyes]

everyone hated on the carcillo trade.. if stewart does come here.. lets wait and see.. players get motivated playing on a new team and a big market..

Sometimes, other times they just are the player they are. Take Brassard. He's just about what Columbus fans said he was.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Sometimes, other times they just are the player they are. Take Brassard. He's just about what Columbus fans said he was.

Do you not remember last year and the playoffs?

 

[Fitzy]

Do you not remember last year and the playoffs?

I don't think that disproves the point. He came here and went on a hot streak. He's a streaky player.

 

[RGY]

Sometimes, other times they just are the player they are. Take Brassard. He's just about what Columbus fans said he was.

Disagree completely. Brassard was good down the stretch and even better during the playoffs last year. This year he got off to a slow start due to a new coach, new system, and lines not being as definitive as they are now imo. He has been very solid the last two months.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Sometimes, other times they just are the player they are. Take Brassard. He's just about what Columbus fans said he was.

Do you not remember last year and the playoffs?

Yup. If you take Brassard's crappy start to the year (when you'll remember that everyone was bad - and when he was saddled with particularly bad wingers) as the outlier and instead focus on his last 2 1/2 months plus his play last year, he's played to the level of quite a solid 2C for us.

The issue, as I've said elsewhere, is that with Stepan being a 1C/2C tweener instead of a dominant 1C, and Richards being a net negative, the overall center depth is weak.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Disagree completely. Brassard was good down the stretch and even better during the playoffs last year. This year he got off to a slow start due to a new coach, new system, and lines not being as definitive as they are now imo. He has been very solid the last two months.

Agree with this

 

[RGY]

Yup. If you take Brassard's crappy start to the year (when you'll remember that everyone was bad - and when he was saddled with particularly bad wingers) as the outlier and instead focus on his last 2 1/2 months plus his play last year, he's played to the level of quite a solid 2C for us.

The issue, as I've said elsewhere, is that with Stepan being a 1C/2C tweener instead of a dominant 1C, and Richards being a net negative, the overall center depth is weak.

While i agree with most here...i disagree with the pot shot at Richards who has been great for us. He may not light opposing players up or have the skating ability as others do, but he has produced as expected when he signed the contract

 

[Zeshy25]

Thoughts on Gaborik for Callahan? Gabby has been injured but its known what he's capable of. He would also be a rental and then both teams would be liable for trying to get their player signed. I imagine Columbus would want more but Horton and Cally sem like leaders that you can build a team around.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

While i agree with most here...i disagree with the pot shot at Richards who has been great for us. He may not light opposing players up or have the skating ability as others do, but he has produced as expected when he signed the contract

I think Richards was signed to be a 1C. He was terrible last year as has been well documented. This year he's on pace for 57 points. His line is routinely ineffective at ES. 35% of his points come on the powerplay, which has been revitalized, not by him (although it's why he was brought here), but by MZA and Brassard.

Agree to disagree.

 

[RGY]

Thoughts on Gaborik for Callahan? Gabby has been injured but its known what he's capable of. He would also be a rental and then both teams would be liable for trying to get their player signed. I imagine Columbus would want more but Horton and Cally sem like leaders that you can build a team around.

I'd be ok with that but many here wouldnt be.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Thoughts on Gaborik for Callahan? Gabby has been injured but its known what he's capable of. He would also be a rental and then both teams would be liable for trying to get their player signed. I imagine Columbus would want more but Horton and Cally sem like leaders that you can build a team around.

That would a heinous trade.

 

[Callagraves]

Disagree completely. Brassard was good down the stretch and even better during the playoffs last year. This year he got off to a slow start due to a new coach, new system, and lines not being as definitive as they are now imo. He has been very solid the last two months.

But, doesn't he have a reputation for playing like a first liner for a few months, followed by a few months of being unnoticeable?

Am I not remembering what CBJ fans told us he'd be correctly?

 

[bobbop]

If Callahan ever got to free agency, he would end up in Philadelphia.

 

[Kwayry]

Until there is a clear upgrade, Brass is a keeper. I don't see how this team can survive without him.