Speculation: Trade Thread Part XII

[GAGLine]

What if a team isn't willing to meet the Rangers asking price for Callahan?

Then you don't trade him.

There's no right decision here, only a best decision, and no one is going to agree on what is best. If we trade him, do we get a return that can help us both now and in the future, or are we sacrificing too much of the present? If we keep him, does he walk? Do we end up overpaying him?

I think everyone will agree that letting him walk for nothing is the worst option. I have no clue what the best option is because I don't know what kind of offers Sather is getting, and I don't know how much money/term Cally is looking for. Sather needs to do his due diligence in both regards and decide which route is ultimately better for the team.

 

[Raspewtin]

What if a team isn't willing to meet the Rangers asking price for Callahan?

Then don't trade him.

 

[ltrangerfan]

Let me guess. By Thursday's game, Del Zotto will still be a Ranger

I'm confused.

Thursday's game? What's magical about this Thursday?

At the trade deadline? That's what everyone is speculating about.

 

[RangerBoy]

There are some people who don't want to trade anyone OR pay anyone. Oh we can't trade him. Then when the Rangers pay a player like Lundqvist,its the Rangers overpaid and they're doomed for the next 7 years AND The Rangers shouldn't have given him that much. The group III guys don't re-sign on the cheap. It was expensive to keep Hank. He wasn't taking a hometown discount. He would have gotten the same term with more money than $8.5M per in July on the open market. It will be expensive to keep Girardi and Callahan. Now some people will reply "you don't know what they want". What do you think they want? Major term and major money. Its the Rangers move. The Rangers will pay them market value or some other team will pay them market value in July. The price isn't going down between now and July.

You get the best deal you can get if you don't want to re-sign a player.

 

[Trxjw]

i continue to struggle with the idea that he will be moved. although it makes sense payroll wise, i dont think this organization will do it.

i think he will take a hometown discount and sign a cap friendly deal to stay in ny and finish his career here. he'll anchor our 3rd line for a few more years.

just my gut feeling.

I don't see why he would take a hometown discount. He has to know that he's getting older and that his body will eventually quit on him. $6M per easily, IMO. 7 year deal. Is a 50 point special teams winger worth that much in today's NHL? Hard to say. If he wasn't wearing the 'C', how many people would say he's worth that? In a vacuum, he's a 50 point winger who battles injuries and excels on special teams. Now he's losing a fair amount of time both on the PP and PK. Kreider should be the #1 net front guy moving forward. Zucc kills penalties now and took Cally's spot in the top-six.

It's a lot of money for a guy who will play 17 minutes a night for 70ish games per year.

That's exactly my point but I think some fans would trade him for anything.

I understand where some people are coming from though. If you don't feel this team is going to make a legitimate push for the cup, what is the point of losing an asset for less than you could get prior to the deadline? It's a no-win situation, really.

 

[Raspewtin]

I want to trade Callahan because I don't think losing him will be prohibitively painful, and he will be too expensive to retain. Too expensive for how much he gets hurt. Nothing over 4 million is enticing. And I'm absolutely not convinced this team will pass the second round. Call me a bad fan or whatever, I don't care. I don't think resigning Callahan to the likely terms is a good long term option

 

[Son of Steinbrenner]

Then you don't trade him.

I agree....

There's no right decision here, only a best decision, and no one is going to agree on what is best.

I agree but some posters who are on the trade Callahan bandwagon refuse give an answer to the question I asked. While nobody is going to agree on what is best for the team I don't think it's an unreasonable question. We have posters that claim the Rangers have to trade him because he isn't signed yet! As if other factors aren't in play. Like this is some magical video game bubble and that's just flat out wrong. Just because this is HF and I'm quoting you, I'm not talking about you in this post. I'm speaking generally if that makes sense.

If we trade him, do we get a return that can help us both now and in the future, or are we sacrificing too much of the present?

I honestly think that depends on the Rangers position in the standings at the trade deadline.

If we keep him, does he walk? Do we end up overpaying him?

I think the Rangers end up keeping him. The question of if we overpay him is hard to answer. The best answer I think of is look at what people are posting now. If the poster thinks we should trade Callahan than that poster is going to think he is overpaid regardless of salary. Some of us will look at the numbers and decide.

I think everyone will agree that letting him walk for nothing is the worst option.

Maybe but this is one of those hindsight is 20/20 questions. It's hard to quantify what Callahan is worth. I think that's part of the issue of resigning him and the offers the team is getting for him. I'm fine letting him walk for nothing if the Rangers can't agree to terms with Callahan OR don't get a good deal for him. As much as that would suck, and it would suck!

have no clue what the best option is because I don't know what kind of offers Sather is getting, and I don't know how much money/term Cally is looking for. Sather needs to do his due diligence in both regards and decide which route is ultimately better for the team.

I also have no clue what the best option is. At least we both admit that. Some have already decided what the best option is. I don't think that's right. I think if a poster 100% wants Callahan traded then they need to root for the Ranges to lose. I think the Rangers will keep him for a playoff run and make the decision to sign him or let him walk after the season. It's possible that's what the team has already decided. Who knows!

 

[Ail]

I don't see why he would take a hometown discount. He has to know that he's getting older and that his body will eventually quit on him. $6M per easily, IMO. 7 year deal. Is a 50 point special teams winger worth that much in today's NHL? Hard to say. If he wasn't wearing the 'C', how many people would say he's worth that? In a vacuum, he's a 50 point winger who battles injuries and excels on special teams. Now he's losing a fair amount of time both on the PP and PK. Kreider should be the #1 net front guy moving forward. Zucc kills penalties now and took Cally's spot in the top-six.

It's a lot of money for a guy who will play 17 minutes a night for 70ish games per year.



I understand where some people are coming from though. If you don't feel this team is going to make a legitimate push for the cup, what is the point of losing an asset for less than you could get prior to the deadline? It's a no-win situation, really.

Pretty much where I am at right now. I don't think they have what it takes, and what would give it to them is not going to be magically available before the playoffs. To me Callahan is worth more as an asset in a trade than as someone who will give them a better shot at a Cinderella Cup run. I wouldn't trade him for just anything but I would take the best offer on March 5th assuming it is not totally crap.

I would find it hard to believe they can't get a 1st and nice prospect for Cally, and that's enough for me unless they are hell bent on re-signing him. Something else I am not exactly keen on.

 

[Fitzy]

Dealing Callahan to a team like Anaheim aids asset management and won't hurt the NY Rangers directly unless they make it all the way to the finals. Could they get Etem for Callahan?

RB is right about shrewd asset management. If NYR are going to sign Girardi and let Cally hit the market, they have to trade him. The odds of him making the difference this year for us are very low compared to the long term benefits of what we could get in a deal for him.

 

[Ail]

To be clear I don't want the Rangers to lose just to trade him, and if they did re-sign to a reasonable contract I would not be upset.

 

[Ail]

I want to trade Callahan because I don't think losing him will be prohibitively painful, and he will be too expensive to retain. Too expensive for how much he gets hurt. Nothing over 4 million is enticing. And I'm absolutely not convinced this team will pass the second round. Call me a bad fan or whatever, I don't care. I don't think resigning Callahan to the likely terms is a good long term option

Yep. I'm willing to take the heat for being an unbeliever. I will happily eat crow if I end up wrong and forevermore have faith.

 

[Son of Steinbrenner]

I want to trade Callahan because I don't think losing him will be prohibitively painful, and he will be too expensive to retain. Too expensive for how much he gets hurt. Nothing over 4 million is enticing. And I'm absolutely not convinced this team will pass the second round. Call me a bad fan or whatever, I don't care. I don't think resigning Callahan to the likely terms is a good long term option

Nothing over $4M is enticing? So you don't want Callahan back at all because why the hell would he take a pay cut?

I agree his number is going to be expensive, maybe even too expensive but in reality paying him market value might be the best option. If you don't think the Rangers are going to make it out of the 2nd round why even root for the team to win? Honestly, if you think it benefits the team to trade both Callahan and Girardi at some point you've come to the realization that the only way that's going to happen is if the team is struggling. Who knows they could win every game until the Olympics or lose every game. That's the NHL in 2014. The difference between a bad team and a good team isn't that great The difference between a great team and a bad team is still noticeable.

You finally after 3 days of asking answered the question of what should the Rangers do if they can't find a good trade for Callahan.

Then don't trade him.

So it's possible the best thing to do is ride out the rest of the season and let him walk. So if the trade deadline comes I'll keep that post in mind if you start complaining he wasn't traded. You should keep that post in mind too! It's the most likely reason Callahan isn't traded and nobody can blame Sather if a trade isn't consummated. Now, if people want to say this could've been handled better last offseason I can get on that bandwagon but nobody and I mean nobody was calling for the Rangers to trade Callahan last offseason...

Basically the argument is we aren't winning the Cup so we might as well trade Callahan and Girardi. Why stop with those two players? Why not trade Nash, Staal, McD, Lundqvist. Why not just trade our whole team and have a fire sale?

 

[JimmyG89]

If you can get a young, current NHL 3rd liner for Callahan and even add in a prospect or a pick, you make the trade. To me, after watching him play, he does not play the same way as he used to. Not hitting nearly as much. Not skating hard all the time. Right now, the line he is on is hurt by Richards, but he is not helping the line either. Hags carries the possession for the line. In this league, you need possession players. Callahan and Richards are not that. Richards should be amnestied. Callahan should be traded. Let someone make him Clarkson 2.0. Finding the right player in the trade is important. There will be plenty asking for him. Need to find a desperate west team.

Is it possible that Vancouver would work? They need a lot of help and they know torts has a short shelf life. Bubble team. San Jose? How about the Wild? I would not trade him east. Ducks might, but they have their forwards set. Onl u east team I consider is Toronto. They can't afford a resifn, but may see their team needing to make a run. Package MAY and Call to Toronto?

 

[Raspewtin]

Nothing over $4M is enticing? So you don't want Callahan back at all because why the hell would he take a pay cut?

I agree his number is going to be expensive, maybe even too expensive but in reality paying him market value might be the best option. If you don't think the Rangers are going to make it out of the 2nd round why even root for the team to win? Honestly, if you think it benefits the team to trade both Callahan and Girardi at some point you've come to the realization that the only way that's going to happen is if the team is struggling. Who knows they could win every game until the Olympics or lose every game. That's the NHL in 2014. The difference between a bad team and a good team isn't that great The difference between a great team and a bad team is still noticeable.

You finally after 3 days of asking answered the question of what should the Rangers do if they can't find a good trade for Callahan.



So it's possible the best thing to do is ride out the rest of the season and let him walk. So if the trade deadline comes I'll keep that post in mind if you start complaining he wasn't traded. You should keep that post in mind too! It's the most likely reason Callahan isn't traded and nobody can blame Sather if a trade isn't consummated. Now, if people want to say this could've been handled better last offseason I can get on that bandwagon but nobody and I mean nobody was calling for the Rangers to trade Callahan last offseason...

Basically the argument is we aren't winning the Cup so we might as well trade Callahan and Girardi. Why stop with those two players? Why not trade Nash, Staal, McD, Lundqvist. Why not just trade our whole team and have a fire sale?

You know, I might have better things to do than reply to people on a forum website.

For what he brings NOW he's overpaid. Add in that he's hurt three times a damn season, why would I pay him a CENT over what he makes now? For the sake of retaining a home grown player? The only players you overpay for are ones that are irreplaceable. Callahan is not that.

I'll ****ing ***** about whatever I want on this forum, and if we let Callahan walk for nothing you're damn right I'm going to complain. And I'm not responding again to your absolutely irrelevant point about trading everybody that makes a difference on this team as I've answered 900 ****ing times.

I'm a fake fan I hate the team I should root for the Devils blah blah ****ing blah, it's all the same with you. Why are you so obsessed with everything I say? Just **** off will you. You're acting like an annoying little chihuahua who keeps barking when people aren't interested in you. Just stop already. I get it I'm a fake fan and I hate the Rangers.

 

[OverTheCap]

I'm not sure why so many fans have expectations of players taking hometown discounts when it happens so rarely in sports. Then the fans get pissed at the player for not taking a hometown discount when they had no obligation or intention to do so (like with Lundqvist).

If Cally or Girardi were going to give the Rangers a hometown discount, they probably would have been re-signed already.

 

[Raspewtin]

If you can get a young, current NHL 3rd liner for Callahan and even add in a prospect or a pick, you make the trade. To me, after watching him play, he does not play the same way as he used to. Not hitting nearly as much. Not skating hard all the time. Right now, the line he is on is hurt by Richards, but he is not helping the line either. Hags carries the possession for the line. In this league, you need possession players. Callahan and Richards are not that. Richards should be amnestied. Callahan should be traded. Let someone make him Clarkson 2.0. Finding the right player in the trade is important. There will be plenty asking for him. Need to find a desperate west team.

Is it possible that Vancouver would work? They need a lot of help and they know torts has a short shelf life. Bubble team. San Jose? How about the Wild? I would not trade him east. Ducks might, but they have their forwards set. Onl u east team I consider is Toronto. They can't afford a resifn, but may see their team needing to make a run. Package MAY and Call to Toronto?

No because that means you hate the Rangers and you're a fake fan.

I don't think Vancouver is a good partner. We have the same needs.

 

[haveandare]

If they trade Callahan and don't get a center or offensive d-man back, they'll have made a big mistake. They have, in all likelihood, one worthwhile asset they're willing to trade. If they trade him for another winger, that's a waste. Center is the biggest need by far and Callahan is the best asset to trade to get one back.

 

[Let Blaine Die]

If they trade Callahan and don't get a center or offensive d-man back, they'll have made a big mistake. They have, in all likelihood, one worthwhile asset they're willing to trade. If they trade him for another winger, that's a waste. Center is the biggest need by far and Callahan is the best asset to trade to get one back.

A top-six left winger wouldn't be that bad though, as Pouliot won't be here past this season (hopefully) and Hagelin is best served on the 3rd line.

That said, our two biggest needs are obviously a 1st line center (for all the hate that Stepan gets, he is a very good 2nd line center) and an offensive defenseman (preferably right-handed). I don't know about getting a 1st line center for Callahan (Rangers would probably have to add), but an offensive defenseman is certainly a possibility.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I wonder what this team would look like offensively if we had Subban partnered with Staal and Bobby Ryan instead of Ryan Callahan.

 

[Son of Steinbrenner]

You know, I might have better things to do than reply to people on a forum website.

Or because the answer kills all your arguments...

For what he brings NOW he's overpaid. Add in that he's hurt three times a damn season, why would I pay him a CENT over what he makes now? For the sake of retaining a home grown player? The only players you overpay for are ones that are irreplaceable. Callahan is not that.

I disagree. I think a modest raise for Callahan is worth it. Say a million or a million and a half more than he's making now. It's really the term that should have people worried.

I'll ****ing ***** about whatever I want on this forum, and if we let Callahan walk for nothing you're damn right I'm going to complain

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But how could you complain if you admit it might not be worth it to trade him if the Rangers can't find a reasonable deal. Here is the question I posed to you

What if a team isn't willing to meet the Rangers asking price for Callahan?

Here is your answer...

Then don't trade him.

I'm confused. You are going to complain if the Rangers can't find a taker for Callahan. Do you want the Rangers to just give him away for anything?

IF you don't trade him if you can't find a decent trade why complain?

And I'm not responding again to your absolutely irrelevant point about trading everybody that makes a difference on this team as I've answered 900 ****ing times.

You responded to that point before? I don't think I saw that. At what point does the team trade Staal? He's a UFA after next season? If the Rangers traded Nash they could get value. Why stop with Callahan and Girardi is my point. Guess it went over your head....That's weird because you seem like a rational person.

I'm a fake fan I hate the team I should root for the Devils blah blah ****ing blah, it's all the same with you.

What team you root for is none of my business. My point is if your goal is seeing Callahan and Girardi traded you should be rooting for the team to lose. That's the only sure fire way the players are traded. Would you at least agree with that?

Why are you so obsessed with everything I say? Just **** off will you. You're like an annoying little chihuahua who keeps barking when people aren't interested in you.

I'm not. I'm just having a lively debate with someone who obviously can't handle some reasonable questions. That's too bad. I've asked other people the same question. I've read some interesting responses. Some really thought provoking posts about what the right thing to do is. I'm pretty elastic with it all. If the Rangers can trade Callahan and get a fair value back that helps the team in the short and long term, GREAT! We all win. The thing is this isn't a bubble and just trading him for the sake of trading him doesn't make sense. Whatever the Rangers do it better be part of a plan. Even if it's letting him go and replacing him with another free agent. I can see value in that.

I think you might be crying. Please don't, it's only a hockey message board.

Just stop already.

Why? If you open yourself up by posting on a message board you don't control the responses. It's part of the give and take of posting here.

I get it I'm a fake fan and I hate the Rangers.

I'm not getting into what type of fan you are.

 

[haveandare]

A top-six left winger wouldn't be that bad though, as Pouliot won't be here past this season (hopefully) and Hagelin is best served on the 3rd line.

That said, our two biggest needs are obviously a 1st line center (for all the hate that Stepan gets, he is a very good 2nd line center) and an offensive defenseman (preferably right-handed). I don't know about getting a 1st line center for Callahan (Rangers would probably have to add), but an offensive defenseman is certainly a possibility.

Honestly, I think even another 2C would be a huge addition. Another Stepan-level player would really round out the top 6 IMO. Probably couldn't be gotten for Cally alone, but maybe Cally + some other somewhat minor assets.

I'm not sold on trading Callahan, but if he goes, I'd really, really like to see a center or offensive d-man come back, preferably a center.

Yeah, a top 6 winger wouldn't be bad by any means, but the team's true problems would still be there and they'd be down one valuable asset that could have fetched them those needs. Gotta either have elite talent or impressive depth at C these days. I can live without the elite talent if we can have some good depth.

 

[Barnaby]

I hope that the Rangers do exactly that… trade Callahan. He's the guy that I don't want signed long term. I just don't trust that his body holds up, and that he stays that effective. Re-sign Girardi, and trade Callahan for a 1st + youngish 3rd line winger.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I hope that the Rangers do exactly that… trade Callahan. He's the guy that I don't want signed long term. I just don't trust that his body holds up, and that he stays that effective. Re-sign Girardi, and trade Callahan for a 1st + youngish 3rd line winger.

I think everyone on this board wants to trade Callahan. The reality is that he likely will not be traded though.

We have some spots on this team that need upgrading:
Richards, Callahan, Pouloit, borderline Brassard, DZ, Moore.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

My ideal Callahan trade would be for Zibanejad, Smith, and a 3rd.

 

[NYR Viper]

My ideal Callahan trade would be for Zibanejad, Smith, and a 3rd.

If he's available, I think he goes to Chicago.

Hartman + Clendening +