Speculation: Trade Thread Part XII

[BarbaraAlphanse]

If he's available, I think he goes to Chicago.

Hartman + Clendening +

Why trade him to the Hawks? They'll offer us less than other teams. IF we trade Callahan to the Sabres we'll likely get a coup. Look at the assets that they have. A team desperate to make the playoffs or a team desperate to get leadership or a team desperate to be pushed over the edge will pay a higher dividend.

 

[GAGLine]

So it's possible the best thing to do is ride out the rest of the season and let him walk.

Possible? Yes. Probable? No. The only way letting him walk would be the best option is if we win a cup this year with him on the team. I don't think this team is close enough to winning a cup that keeping Cally just for a playoff run and then letting him walk is a good idea. He's essentially just a rental for us at that point.

 

[theFiGS]

Evander Kane or bust

 

[NYR Viper]

Why trade him to the Hawks? They'll offer us less than other teams. IF we trade Callahan to the Sabres we'll likely get a coup. Look at the assets that they have. A team desperate to make the playoffs or a team desperate to get leadership or a team desperate to be pushed over the edge will pay a higher dividend.

Why would one of the worst teams in the entire league pay for an UFA to be in Callahan? That would be silly.

The Hawks have a TON of quality prospects.

 

[BBKers]

Winnipeg?

http://www.nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/january/rumor-rangers-interested-in-winnipeg-forwards.html

OK...

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Why trade him to the Hawks? They'll offer us less than other teams. IF we trade Callahan to the Sabres we'll likely get a coup. Look at the assets that they have. A team desperate to make the playoffs or a team desperate to get leadership or a team desperate to be pushed over the edge will pay a higher dividend.

Except they are rebuilding and the org has said so. They aren't trying to buy. You're wrong here... They won't start giving up their good young assets for the future for a rental.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Why would one of the worst teams in the entire league pay for an UFA to be in Callahan? That would be silly.

The Hawks have a TON of quality prospects.

My point with Buffalo was to say that a team that needs him more will pay more. I apologize, I wasn't clear about that.

 

[Raspewtin]

I'm not a fan of The Fourth Period, but I would definitely go in for Kane or Ladd if the price was right. I know Ladd is almost 29, but that's the kind of player you win championships with, and I don't think the Rangers are that far from that. He's Callahan 2.0, but much more talented and has already won two stanley cups. Evander Kane needs no explanation. If we can get either of them I'd be thrilled.

But, these are also two players that are rarely, if ever available.

 

[haveandare]

Lots of rumors out there. Nothing about a center. Ugh.

I'd love any of those WPG players, but I don't think we have the assets for them. I mean, Callahan is maybe on the block, but he's Ladd except he scores less and will want a bigger contract. What does that do for WPG? I don't think any of the other players in that article even come close to making a trade happen for those 3 forwards. And again, for the love of God, get a center and buyout Richards in the offseason. That is going to loom over this franchise until it's done.

 

[NYR Viper]

Lots of rumors out there. Nothing about a center. Ugh.

I'd love any of those WPG players, but I don't think we have the assets for them. I mean, Callahan is maybe on the block, but he's Ladd except he scores less and will want a bigger contract. What does that do for WPG? I don't think any of the other players in that article even come close to making a trade happen for those 3 forwards. And again, for the love of God, get a center and buyout Richards in the offseason. That is going to loom over this franchise until it's done.

Rumors? Such as?

 

[Matt4776]

I'm not a fan of The Fourth Period, but I would definitely go in for Kane or Ladd if the price was right. I know Ladd is almost 29, but that's the kind of player you win championships with, and I don't think the Rangers are that far from that. He's Callahan 2.0, but much more talented and has already won two stanley cups. Evander Kane needs no explanation. If we can get either of them I'd be thrilled.

But, these are also two players that are rarely, if ever available.

I love a lot of WPGs players. Kane, Trouba, Scheifele.etc.

Unfortunately, they are not a PO team, so they won't want G/Cally.

If we want Kane, it would likely cost MDZ/Moore, Brassard, Miller, and a 1st. That likely wouldn't be enough.

We aren't in position to make this trade. We need to trade for players that are close to but haven't yet broken out. Hedman in the past 18 months. Connolly before he started tearing up the AHL. To a lesser extent Yakupov. Players like those. We shouldn't be giving up on guys like Miller before they break out. Imagine if we traded Kreider this past offseason?

Trading MDZ+Miller+Brass+Futures for Kane would be a complete buy high sell low move. Opposite of what we should be doing.

 

[RGY]

Callahan to WPG for Evander Kane....one could dream

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Let me guess. By Thursday's game, Del Zotto will still be a Ranger

Hmmmmm.


Let me guess: by Sunday's game, Brian Boyle will still be a Ranger

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Hmmmmm.


Let me guess: by Sunday's game, Brian Boyle will still be a Ranger

now watch Sather resign Boyle to a 5 year contract worth 3.5 per year.... with a no trade clause...

 

[NYR Viper]

Andrew Gross ‏@AGrossRecord 4m
Sather says Rangers want to sign all their free agents, hopefully before end of season. But this does give security if Girardi leaves.

I hope that is just posturing to get more from other teams. All of the UFA's?

He better not let this hang out there for the rest of the season. Re-sign before the trade deadline or you trade the players. It's that simple.

 

[Raspewtin]

I hope that is just posturing to get more from other teams. All of the UFA's?

He better not let this hang out there for the rest of the season. Re-sign before the trade deadline or you trade the players. It's that simple.

Unfortunately I definitely see Sather resigning everybody, or letting a ton walk for nothing.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I hope that is just posturing to get more from other teams. All of the UFA's?

He better not let this hang out there for the rest of the season. Re-sign before the trade deadline or you trade the players. It's that simple.

The way he should look at is the team would be ok trading any of the UFA's except Girardi.

 

[bernmeister]

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Maybe so. I'd argue that you're looking too far ahead

would rather be a little too much ahead of the curve than not far enough.

and taking some of your opinions as stone cold facts and running with them.

Some of these things are opinion -- obviously, some are fact -- obviously.
Benchmark is what is objective v. subjective.
Not going to lengthen my posts further to underscore these except where such emphasis is helpful or necessary.

You think Zucc can do Stepan's job, and better, and maybe he can, but to say he can for sure is to sell an opinion as a fact.

Fair enough. Thank you for at least now admitting what I am saying may at least be possible.
Facts, not in dispute:
Vision needed to be great C: both
Skater: Zuc, AINEC
Shot: Zuc, AINEC, except for tip ins, deflections, etc. that's equally proficient.

It's not subjective opinion to call out Stepan here. Zuc shoots better, skates better.
So yes, to that degree, let's be honest and admit is a FACT.

He has never, ever played center in the NHL.

Not sure 110% that is the case, but I concede he has not played it regularly, let alone full time at NHL. Doesn't matter. He has the skills to be great at the job, plus as I said, if he plays W, helps with Zuc's d.

Plus, if he takes Step's job, another hole is introduced on RW.

That's a fair and legit point. I believe we can make due now, with room created for likes of Kristo, etc. next year.

Also, don't forget, we don't know what return we could be getting for Stepan/+.
Could be a scorer.

As for the Miller and Kreider and speed thing...I've said before that I just don't see this speed in Miller's game. You do, and that's fine, people disagree.

We respectfully agree to disagree.
But it is there, IMO.
Certainly more speed allows Kreider to exploit even more. Is Miller not faster than all other C options we have?

I don't think he's ready for the NHL period right now, let alone for a top 6 center spot.

I can understand how you might think that.
This kid has been jerked around too much.
Sure more practice = improvement, but believe he is best suited to more, not less NHL minutes. Even over 1st line AHL minutes.

I also don't think that ~40 games is enough to bring him from not suited for the league to a kick ass top 6 center.

Just to clarify, I meant to emphasize he and Kreider as a tandem both with great/exceptional speed would be kick ass.
Miller alone needs time to become great.

Those other deals completely decimate a forward core that needs to be added to, not subtracted from. Mackinnon, as good as he is, is not ever going to replace three top 6 players in Callahan, Stepan and Nash. I'm not sure anybody save for maybe Crosby could do something like that.

Maybe. Maybe not. Is MacK's ceiling as high as Stamkos' floor? Tavares?
We need to make bold moves to get more talent.
We add premium chips, then the best we complementary pieces we can.

I like your enthusiasm and creativity,

Thanks

I just don't agree here.

That is your right.

This team doesn't need a complete tear down like that. They need to find a way to get a 1/2 C and a d-man who can provide offense and not embarrass himself in his own zone. Maybe look into what can be done trading Cally, MDZ, maybe Moore, picks after the first two rounds, and prospects. They don't need elite players in these roles, though one at center wouldn't hurt, they just need guys who can play those roles without being in over their heads

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We need more elite/elite-esque guys.

Going after such scarce commodity, gotta break an egg to make an omelette every now and then.

 

[bernmeister]

bern, did Stepan spit in your face or something? I can't remember one trade proposal that you had that didn't include him. Like even last year when he was amazing.

SnowblindNYR, you have seen me reject proposals trading Stepan on the grounds they were bad props to begin with, right?

Stepan is a commodity, possibly the most valuable one we can "repurpose".

There is an open minded open house at the value of Stepan thread.
Anyone who wants to engage in constructive comment about how or why this or that or some other trade involving Stepan is or is not good enough, check it out.

I'd love to go through each realistic possibility with each team and have an answer: is the worth moving or not?

In scenarios where the return is worth more than him/him+, what is that return?

 

[haveandare]

would rather be a little too much ahead of the curve than not far enough.


Some of these things are opinion -- obviously, some are fact -- obviously.
Benchmark is what is objective v. subjective.
Not going to lengthen my posts further to underscore these except where such emphasis is helpful or necessary.


Fair enough. Thank you for at least now admitting what I am saying may at least be possible.
Facts, not in dispute:
Vision needed to be great C: both
Skater: Zuc, AINEC
Shot: Zuc, AINEC, except for tip ins, deflections, etc. that's equally proficient.

It's not subjective opinion to call out Stepan here. Zuc shoots better, skates better.
So yes, to that degree, let's be honest and admit is a FACT.


Not sure 110% that is the case, but I concede he has not played it regularly, let alone full time at NHL. Doesn't matter. He has the skills to be great at the job, plus as I said, if he plays W, helps with Zuc's d.


That's a fair and legit point. I believe we can make due now, with room created for likes of Kristo, etc. next year.

Also, don't forget, we don't know what return we could be getting for Stepan/+.
Could be a scorer.


We respectfully agree to disagree.
But it is there, IMO.
Certainly more speed allows Kreider to exploit even more. Is Miller not faster than all other C options we have?


I can understand how you might think that.
This kid has been jerked around too much.
Sure more practice = improvement, but believe he is best suited to more, not less NHL minutes. Even over 1st line AHL minutes.


Just to clarify, I meant to emphasize he and Kreider as a tandem both with great/exceptional speed would be kick ass.
Miller alone needs time to become great.


Maybe. Maybe not. Is MacK's ceiling as high as Stamkos' floor? Tavares?
We need to make bold moves to get more talent.
We add premium chips, then the best we complementary pieces we can.


Thanks


That is your right.


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We need more elite/elite-esque guys.

Going after such scarce commodity, gotta break an egg to make an omelette every now and then.

Like you said, we gotta agree to disagree on some stuff, but I think you've got some solid points here. I'd be ecstatic if Miller and Kreider could elevate each other's games and make a line that's hard to play against. Thanks for taking the time to reply in detail. Much appreciated.

 

[Ail]

Well this moves solidifies the worst fears for some of us. Sather is dedicated to winning now, as always. It's not like we didn't know it already, but if we even thought there was a glimmer of hope he might at least move Callahan for some decent help in the future, that has been crushed.

Now we wait and see what young players or picks get shipped off for rentals.

 

[Ail]

Unfortunately I definitely see Sather resigning everybody, or letting a ton walk for nothing.

I am so dejected at the direction of this team right now. Nothing short of winning the Cup would make me feel better about being a fan of this franchise going forward.

 

[NYR Viper]

Well this moves solidifies the worst fears for some of us. Sather is dedicated to winning now, as always. It's not like we didn't know it already, but if we even thought there was a glimmer of hope he might at least move Callahan for some decent help in the future, that has been crushed.

Now we wait and see what young players or picks get shipped off for rentals.

Why do you say that? Klein is signed long-term on a sweetheart contract. Del Zotto was going to get paid for his past point totals.

 

[Ail]

Why do you say that? Klein is signed long-term on a sweetheart contract. Del Zotto was going to get paid for his past point totals.

I like the Klein move, fyi.

It's just what the trade signifies because of how much older Klein is than DZ.

 

[slipknottin]

I like the Klein move, fyi.

It's just what the trade signifies because of how much older Klein is than DZ.

You mean win now and for the next couple years instead of maybe win at all someday?