Speculation: Trade Thread Part XII

[nikonsniper*]

I think there is a less than 2% chance O'Reilly gets moved but he is the type of Patrice Bergeron-lite Center than can be a backbone piece of a Cup winning team.

I would argue that chasing the "pure talent who just needs to find consistency / be given the right chance" would be waaaaay more of a typical Ranger move.

And that's not me saying I don't want Yak at the right price. But describing O'Reilly as a run of the mill "intangible" player is off base. What he brings is 100% tangible and valuable.

It just seems we always have a "-lite" version of someone. Callahan is Brown-lite. Nash is Ovechkin-lite, etc.

Yakapov would be the chance of getting someone who can be one of the true elite players.

 

[Ail]

Maybe it won't last. I don't know but the team is riding a wave and there's no reason to get off that wave. It's not just about the future--it's also about now. The McDonagh's and Zuccarello's (the two most consistent Rangers this year) who have busted their ass all season long deserve not to have the rug pulled out from under them when things are finally going right. If they're the future leaders of the team--they need to know that the team is confident enough to let their play on the ice take the team as far as it can reasonably go.

It is about now, and right now this team isn't good enough. Pulling the rug out from under them? How? By trading someone? If they're so damn good and if this hot streak isn't a fluke then they'll survive a trade to make this team better won't they? So you don't make any moves to give this team a better chance (now or in the future) because you might bruise a fragile ego?

Please, they are professionals and they realize you do what you have to, to win.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

It is about now, and right now this team isn't good enough. Pulling the rug out from under them? How? By trading someone? If they're so damn good and if this hot streak isn't a fluke then they'll survive a trade to make this team better won't they? So you don't make any moves to give this team a better chance (now or in the future) because you might bruise a fragile ego?

Please, they are professionals and they realize you do what you have to, to win.

Just ask Mike Gartner.....

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

After 2011-2012, an argument certainly could've been made that a more skill oriented philosophy should be examined.

Talking about acquiring Yakupov and getting rid of Callahan would be the cherry on top of overdoing it.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

It just seems we always have a "-lite" version of someone. Callahan is Brown-lite. Nash is Ovechkin-lite, etc.

Yakapov would be the chance of getting someone who can be one of the true elite players.

Yakapov is Mogilny-lite.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

It is about now, and right now this team isn't good enough. Pulling the rug out from under them? How? By trading someone? If they're so damn good and if this hot streak isn't a fluke then they'll survive a trade to make this team better won't they? So you don't make any moves to give this team a better chance (now or in the future) because you might bruise a fragile ego?

Please, they are professionals and they realize you do what you have to, to win.

I cant envision a scenario of a trade that would make this team significantly better for a playoff run. I can think of plenty that would benefit the team in the long run.

That said, I think those folks constantly pining for trades and movement will be disappointed. I see Sather making some lower level depth moves and standing pat....then trying to deal with the pending tsunami of free agents in the offseason.

This team seems like its playoff bound and destined for another relatively early exit. Thats all the owner asks for. Why risk anything?

 

[Ail]

After 2011-2012, an argument certainly could've been made that a more skill oriented philosophy should be examined.

Talking about acquiring Yakupov and getting rid of Callahan would be the cherry on top of overdoing it.

He is certainly not an ideal candidate. I feel that decision would end poorly.

 

[Ail]

I cant envision a scenario of a trade that would make this team significantly better for a playoff run. I can think of plenty that would benefit the team in the long run.

That said, I think those folks constantly pining for trades and movement will be disappointed. I see Sather making some lower level depth moves and standing pat....then trying to deal with the pending tsunami of free agents in the offseason.

This team seems like its playoff bound and destined for another relatively early exit. Thats all the owner asks for. Why risk anything?

Oh no, I agree 100%. I don't want them to move anyone in an attmept to put them in a better position to contend this season, because you are right, that deal doesn't exist.

I think if a bigger move is made, it will be for tomorrow not today, and it will be one that will have little impact on their security of making the playoffs.

This off-season is going to be awful.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

After 2011-2012, an argument certainly could've been made that a more skill oriented philosophy should be examined.

Talking about acquiring Yakupov and getting rid of Callahan would be the cherry on top of overdoing it.

Need a lot of both, most of the best skill players back check and play all zones like Datsyuk. Not sure about Stamkos but look at Ovechkin, he's a much better player when he back checks instead of hanging around the center line.

 

[mas0764]

Well, what kind of buyers?

If we make a trade for O'Reilly or a good young player to grow with the team, by all means I'm for it.

If we make a trade for rentals, no thanks.

It's really disheartening that Sather is still pursuing Dan Boyle, though.

This. If we're going to buy, buy a long term piece. An under 28 goal scorer or right handed defenseman.

 

[mas0764]

I have no idea what he's doing and that's what scares me the most.

Does he actually think this team can do damage? Does he actually think this team are contenders? I wouldn't put it past him...

I really hope he makes smart trades. This is such a critical offseason, with a lot of hot assets.

Well, I think this team can be a contender. Lundqvist makes it possible.

You need more scoring or another defender, possibly both. If you are going to be able to land a guy who can be here long term at the trade deadline, go for it.

Just no rentals.

 

[NYR Viper]

I would be behind grabbing Yakupov, it just depends on what they are asking for. If they want to add another top-end talent who needs a better opportunity that would be the one to grab IMO.

 

[mas0764]

So we can keep Cally and G and pray.

Or we can dump them and pray a helluva lot harder.

Or? Whats the plan? Get a player or two that don't make that much sense and a late 1st or two. Take a step back. What are we supposed to do with the cap-space? Sign UFA's? What UFAs? When? When are we supposed to compete?

I know these are rhetorical questions and you won't like the answers, but the answer is.... keep the cap space until a legit FA or trade target comes available.

Flexibility is important. Fans don't want to hear that if their team is sitting on cap space, and for cheap teams who never spend it's a legit concern, but the Rangers aren't a cheap team.

Conversely, the Rangers are a team that habitually locks themselves into bad contracts. It might be nice to have the space to make a run at a franchise player, but 2 years from now.

It depends on whether you think you can make a legit Cup run with Cally and G now, what the odds are of that happening, etc.

I think I'd keep them both, but depending on how much they wanted, depending on what I could get back for them, and depending on whether I thought I could import a superstar down the road a bit if I don't pay Cally and G now, I might trade them.

 

[mas0764]

I would be behind grabbing Yakupov, it just depends on what they are asking for. If they want to add another top-end talent who needs a better opportunity that would be the one to grab IMO.

Yeah, but if you had to pay a similar price for Yakupov or ROR, who do you choose?

 

[I Eat Crow]

Yeah, but if you had to pay a similar price for Yakupov or ROR, who do you choose?

Yakupov, easily.

 

[NYR Viper]

Yeah, but if you had to pay a similar price for Yakupov or ROR, who do you choose?

What is that price? I would seriously contemplate trading for both. Both are needs.

 

[mas0764]

What is that price? I would seriously contemplate trading for both. Both are needs.

I really have no idea, unfortunately. I was just posing a question so as to see your thoughts (and others).

I feel like I'd lean towards ROR. Plays center, less streaky, still fills a huge need, salary really gets offset by parting with Richards.

 

[NYR Viper]

I really have no idea, unfortunately. I was just posing a question so as to see your thoughts (and others).

I feel like I'd lean towards ROR. Plays center, less streaky, still fills a huge need, salary really gets offset by parting with Richards.

I agree, it was more of a hypothetical. I like ROR a lot. I guess it depends on where the team sees Brassard, Miller and Lindberg in the near future. Are they all centers? Where do they slot in? Are they keeping Callahan? etc.

 

[RangerBoy]

The price will be more than the Rangers can and want to pay.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers went down the road with the Avs on ROR last year. They wanted Stepan plus. Then it was DZ,Kreider and Miller or a #1. Edmonton wants Kreider for Yakupov. Jim Matheson wrote that in October. Messier loves him. Who does he work for? The Rangers don't many assets to deal besides their D and rentals. Anyone bringing up adding assets for the rentals and then having the players to trade to get a top player is met with disdain.

 

[Trxjw]

Swinging for the fences with a ROR or Yakupov trade isn't what this team should be after. They need another McDonagh type of trade. A player who has slipped down the depth chart and can be acquired at a reduced cost.

Bretty Connolly was a prime example. Fell down the depth chart and was off to a horrible start. Now he's shredding the AHL. 1 points in his first 8 games, now he has 25 in his last 20. Size and scoring. A righty shot. Cost controllable.

 

[Ail]

Swinging for the fences with a ROR or Yakupov trade isn't what this team should be after. They need another McDonagh type of trade. A player who has slipped down the depth chart and can be acquired at a reduced cost.

Bretty Connolly was a prime example. Fell down the depth chart and was off to a horrible start. Now he's shredding the AHL. 1 points in his first 8 games, now he has 25 in his last 20. Size and scoring. A righty shot. Cost controllable.

Yep and these are the kind of moves that are the difference between perrenial contenders and middling teams. Smart drafting, smart trading and smart FA signings. Getting steals in trades or UDFA are almost a necessity to build a team with longevity.

Knowing when to trade players or sign them long term. Smart asset managment.

 

[Raspewtin]

I still think Girardi for Connolly +2nd is a good deal.

 

[Raspewtin]

Yep and these are the kind of moves that are the difference between perrenial contenders and middling teams. Smart drafting, smart trading and smart FA signings. Getting steals in trades or UDFA are almost a necessity to build a team with longevity.

Knowing when to trade players or sign them long term. Smart asset managment.

I like Tampa trading Cory Conacher as a prime example. Think they realized a large portion of his points were coming from being on a line with Stamkos and MSL. They sold high on him, got Ben Bishop, and Conacher hasn't done anything with the Senators. Those are the type of trades you make. Ones with proper player analysis. Something I believe Sather is really bad at, analyzing his own players.

 

[ArPanet]

Something big will happen this summer. It always happens. Maybe it will be Sather is turning it over to Gorton (remains as President, of course). Or a trade out of nowhere, maybe involving Stepan, since a discussion about his long term prospects will be undertaken. If Stepan doesn't take his playoff performance to another level while Brassard again is way better then coupled with that holdout which Sather hates, Stepan could be in the mix and why not, is he really ever going to be a 5.5M or more player for any team?

A Stepan++ for Ryan O'Reilly + might still appeal to Colorado in the summer. Saving at least 2.5M next year and a several M more after until Stepan reaches UFA might be in Colorado's thinking. Of course this is just speculation but Sather had no problem trading Dubinsky and if he thinks Stepan is plateauing at where he is now, I think Sather won't hesitate.

Tl;dr Sather will do something splashy this summer, he always does.

Ps Girard and Callahan will both be here next year.

Just speculating...