Speculation: Trade Thread Part XII

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Well, what kind of buyers?

If we make a trade for O'Reilly or a good young player to grow with the team, by all means I'm for it.

If we make a trade for rentals, no thanks.

It's really disheartening that Sather is still pursuing Dan Boyle, though.

Just speculation. We've had interest in him before. Doesn't mean now.

 

[Doctyl]

i really hope slats finds a way to steal yakupov or bartschi

 

[Raspewtin]

Who knows with Sather? If it were for **** rentals I'd rather he just stand pat even though that is a mistake as well. If he wants to buy legitimate long-term talent that's another story, but I don't see that being the case.

I have no idea what he's doing and that's what scares me the most.

Does he actually think this team can do damage? Does he actually think this team are contenders? I wouldn't put it past him...

I really hope he makes smart trades. This is such a critical offseason, with a lot of hot assets.

 

[Raspewtin]

Just speculation. We've had interest in him before. Doesn't mean now.

Nope. Still do.

The Sharks will listen to offers for UFA defenceman Dan Boyle — and the Rangers do have interest — but he isn’t expected to go anywhere because GM Doug Wilson doesn’t want to change the club’s mix

http://m.ottawasun.com/2014/01/18/c...g-plenty-of-offers-for-winger-mike-cammalleri

The fact that Sather has interest in a UFA, 37 year old defenseman is a lot more damning than him not being available.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Nope. Still do.



http://m.ottawasun.com/2014/01/18/c...g-plenty-of-offers-for-winger-mike-cammalleri

The fact that Sather has interest in a UFA, 37 year old defenseman is a lot more damning than him not being available.

Ottawa sun, Bruce Garrioch, is incredibly unreliable. About as accurate as Eklund.

 

[Raspewtin]

Ottawa sun, Bruce Garrioch, is incredibly unreliable. About as accurate as Eklund.

I know Garrioch isn't the most reliable but he still has sources. And, even worse, this is absolutely a move I see Sather doing.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I know Garrioch isn't the most reliable but he still has sources. And, even worse, this is absolutely a move I see Sather doing.

Yea, his sources reside within the confines of his mind. His source for the Kreider being shopped story he broke in July was Julien, a French-Canadian dust-bunny that he made friends with in the summer of 2004 and lives under his bed.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

i really hope slats finds a way to steal yakupov or bartschi

i wouldnt mind these prospects from Flames: Bartschi, Klimchuk, Reinhart

from Oilers: Yakupov, Marincin, Ewanyk, Gustafsson, Klefbom, Nurse(highly doubtful but had to throw him in their)

that is all that interest me as a Rangers fan at the moment...

 

[Raspewtin]

Yea, his sources reside within the confines of his mind. His source for the Kreider being shopped story he broke in July was Julien, a French-Canadian dust-bunny that he made friends with in the summer of 2004 and lives under his bed.

**** that must be Eklund's source too.

He comes up with some serious BS, but he reports a lot of credible information too.

 

[n8]

I would say Dan Boyle's is still really good in the way that Lidstrom was still really good at their ages. He's got the tools and brain to make things work and can still put up 40+ points a season. But then there is this which gives one pause. A great deep dark pause.


Sharks' Dan Boyle reveals details about lingering effects of his concussion

 

[Raspewtin]

I would say Dan Boyle's is still really good in the way that Lidstrom was still really good at their ages. He's got the tools and brain to make things work and can still put up 40+ points a season. But then there is this which gives one pause. A great deep dark pause.


Sharks' Dan Boyle reveals details about lingering effects of his concussion

That's not the point. We're not in a position to give up assets for a 37 year old UFA. We aren't contenders, and Dan Boyle doesn't make us one.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

That's not the point. We're not in a position to give up assets for a 37 year old UFA. We aren't contenders, and Dan Boyle doesn't make us one.

We're not contenders? News to me. Team picked it up substantially. Teams like this tend to make the most noise in the playoffs.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I doubt we contend but not too long ago each year a Finals representative was some low seed no one took seriously. I don't want Dan Boyle though.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Not trying to pigeonhole you, I'm just saying if this team suddenly does look like it has a shot at the Cup, they have holes to fill and should at least attempt to fill them before the deadline.

If Glen is in win now mode, he might as well do it right. The worst possible outcome is not trading anyone or giving up only a 1st/prospect, and then making a mediocre Cup run with what they have now that will inevitably end in an early exit.

Completely agreed, I apologize for getting uppity, I just don't like when someone implies I have an opinion that I don't have, even if it's only slightly implied.

Either retain or trade Callahan and Girardi. Have a plan and determine if they fit moving forward, and if their term and contract amount helps rather than hinders a shot at the Cup. Either way, it's about managing assets properly. Economics 101.

As far as holes, this is how I see it. This team still needs the following now and in the future.

Another 1B/2A center to compliment Stepan. I think we're fairly set with a combination of Miller, Moore, Boyle, and Lindberg for the bottom 6 center spots. I don't see Brassard as a Ranger next season unless he's moved to 2nd or 3rd line LW full time. He's not good enough defensively to be a 3rd line center, and not quite consistent enough to be 2nd line center.

3rd line RW. Fast or Kristo may be ready next year, but they're question marks. If Callahan is let go or traded, this becomes a big hole.

2nd/3rd line LW if Brassard doesn't move there. Kreider has a top 6 spot locked up, Hagelin is a 2nd/3rd line tweener. If Brassard isn't a left winger, we need someone else for that spot. You guys might kill me, but Ruutu out of Carolina would look great there if they retain salary. Has an edge to his game and puts up decent 3rd line points.

Right handed top 4 defenseman. Stralman is great paired with Staal or Del Zotto, but has been a disaster with Moore and McDonagh. If Stralman is let go, and even if McIlrath is promoted, RHD has a crater in it. Someone that's a good puck mover would be a great plus.

This team simply does not have the asset to trade for another big time player a la Nash. Get to work Glen.

 

[Raspewtin]

We're not contenders? News to me. Team picked it up substantially. Teams like this tend to make the most noise in the playoffs.

Okay, here's everything that has to go right for this team to win the cup:
-Stepan has to roar back to his old form. I don't mean play better, I mean play absolutely lights out from here on out.
-Nash has to score more goals, a lot more goals. He's getting a good head start on that though.
-Girardi and Staal need to keep playing lights out to help McDonagh.
-Moore and Del Zotto need to not be terrible.
-Pouliot has to keep scoring.
-Henrik and Cam have to continue to dominate the crease.
-Kreider needs to take his goal scoring to a new level. 25-30 by the end of the year kind.
-Brassard and Pouliot have to stay consistently good for the rest of the year.
-Callahan has to stay totally healthy.

Unless almost all of these things happen, another 1st or 2nd round exit happens.

 

[Kakko]

Okay, here's everything that has to go right for this team to win the cup:
-Stepan has to roar back to his old form. I don't mean play better, I mean play absolutely lights out from here on out.
-Nash has to score more goals, a lot more goals. He's getting a good head start on that though.
-Girardi and Staal need to keep playing lights out to help McDonagh.
-Moore and Del Zotto need to not be terrible.
-Pouliot has to keep scoring.
-Henrik and Cam have to continue to dominate the crease.
-Kreider needs to take his goal scoring to a new level. 25-30 by the end of the year kind.
-Brassard and Pouliot have to stay consistently good for the rest of the year.
-Callahan has to stay totally healthy.

Unless almost all of these things happen, another 1st or 2nd round exit happens.

That's just how things work. For every team.

You only win a cup if all of your players are performing amazingly.

 

[Son of Steinbrenner]

Okay, here's everything that has to go right for this team to win the cup:
-Stepan has to roar back to his old form. I don't mean play better, I mean play absolutely lights out from here on out.
-Nash has to score more goals, a lot more goals. He's getting a good head start on that though.
-Girardi and Staal need to keep playing lights out to help McDonagh.
-Moore and Del Zotto need to not be terrible.
-Pouliot has to keep scoring.
-Henrik and Cam have to continue to dominate the crease.
-Kreider needs to take his goal scoring to a new level. 25-30 by the end of the year kind.
-Brassard and Pouliot have to stay consistently good for the rest of the year.
-Callahan has to stay totally healthy.

Unless almost all of these things happen, another 1st or 2nd round exit happens.

So the team needs a lot of things go right....Genius!

What team can win the Stanley Cup without their best players playing great?

You are really going out on a limb with this post.....

 

[Raspewtin]

That's just how things work. For every team.

You only win a cup if all of your players are performing amazingly.

No. That's not the point.

To have a chance at winning, all of the players have to be literally firing on all cylinders. What if we go against Boston? If you're a contender you're supposed to be able to tangle with anyone. This is largely the same lineup Boston embarrassed last year. The Blues are a similar but even better version of Boston, what happens there? For all their faults, Pittsburgh is still a really good team that can always do serious playoff damage.

It'll take 900 things going right for this team to have a chance at competing. To say this team is set to compete right now is not being realistic.

 

[Raspewtin]

So the team needs a lot of things go right....Genius!

What team can win the Stanley Cup without their best players playing great?

You are really going out on a limb with this post.....

Yeah, I mean, anything can happen right?

2 2nd's and a 1st for Dan Boyle and Martin Havlat. Get it done Slats!

Jesus christ.

 

[Son of Steinbrenner]

Yeah, I mean, anything can happen right?

Flyers and Devils made it to the finals in the past 5 years. That doesn't help your argument though. Keep rooting for the team to lose and you'll get the shiny new toy you want. It doesn't matter though, you showed your loyalty already....You don't care about homegrown players so I'd venture to guess once whatever young player comes along next, plays well, and is up for a contract extension you will want to trade that player too!

2 2nd's and a 1st for Dan Boyle and Martin Havlat. Get it done Slats!

That's your trade proposal, not mine!

 

[Fitzy]

To beat Boston we'd need a better net mouth presence and speed on the flanks.

The emergence of Kreider could solve some of that.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

To beat Boston we'd need a better net mouth presence and speed on the flanks.

The emergence of Kreider could solve some of that.

would really love an Andrew Ladd or E.Kane type forward..

this is the type of forward Rangers should trade for. a top 6 forward with size, grit and a mean streak...

 

[NikC]

It'll take 900 things going right for this team to have a chance at competing. To say this team is set to compete right now is not being realistic.

The team looks like they are have found a balance with AV's system, something many people didn't think the current lineup were even capable of.

On top of that we actually have a PP that can score and change momentum.
If the team can start to play this way consistently and establish themselves they have a good chance getting out of the east.

 

[Raspewtin]

Flyers and Devils made it to the finals in the past 5 years. That doesn't help your argument though. Keep rooting for the team to lose and you'll get the shiny new toy you want. It doesn't matter though, you showed your loyalty already....You don't care about homegrown players so I'd venture to guess once whatever young player comes along next, plays well, and is up for a contract extension you will want to trade that player too!



That's your trade proposal, not mine!

So because two teams fluked their way to the stanley cup in the last 5 years, we can too? Brilliant thinking, honestly.

Have you even looked at the context of this conversation? I said we're not contenders, therefore we SHOULDN'T be trading assets for veterans.

I'm against trading our assets for veterans so I want a shiny new toy? l o l okay man. It's happy hour somewhere right?

I'll get back to rooting for my team to fail supposedly, have fun in fairy tale land.

 

[Miller Time NYR]

To beat Boston we'd need a better net mouth presence and speed on the flanks.

The emergence of Kreider could solve some of that.

agreed, but he needs to focus more on that than taking stupid penalties