That's silly, just because certain posters have different priorities doesn't make them bad Rangers fans. The way they've been playing I don't want a tank but if had say the Islanders' record, I wouldn't be against it.
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That's silly, just because certain posters have different priorities doesn't make them bad Rangers fans. The way they've been playing I don't want a tank but if had say the Islanders' record, I wouldn't be against it.
Raspewtin
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No. What makes me call you Sather is that you insist on keeping the team the same, and keeping up with the status quo, when obviously this success they're having isn't sustainable. This team isn't talented enough to win anything. That's not me "hating the players" that's not me "Wishing them to fail", I'm just being ****ing realistic. The fantasy land that Sather lives in where he says to himself "Hank just needs to get hot and the cup is ours!" is exactly why we've been drowning in this ****ing cesspool of mediocre ******** for the last 10 ****ing years.
The Devils had the easiest run to the cup finals in recent history.
The Flyers miraculously beat a better team in a 7 game series and went on to lose the Stanley Cup.
These aren't good examples, why? Theses teams didn't win anything! Why would we keep the players just so we can lose in the Stanley Cup final? What would that have accomplished?
I get that a GM won't trade players when they're in a playoff spot but that's looking at it in a huge vacuum. We're in a ****** division, in a ****** conference, that almost on a whole can't play defense. Do you REALLY believe we're good enough to KO the Bruins, hell even the Penguins? And what happens after that? We can get swept by a team like the Blues or Blackhawks? ****ing joy! And then Callahan and Girardi resign 7 x 7 deals and the same endless cycle of ****ing ******** continues for only the 40th time.
You do realize, sports are a business right? I get the lockerroom turnover thing, but if a player(s) aren't in the future plans, they aren't in the future plans! End of story! If Cally and G wanted reasonable deals, they'd have contracts by now. Period. Negotiations don't take this long. There's clearly something else going on, and I don't see these two in the Rangers' future plans. If a cup contender is willing to pay big assets to take two players who aren't that good to begin with, be my ****ing guest. Because that's how you build for the future. It's all we can do since we sure as hell aren't winning anything soon.
Kakko
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20 goal Gaborik, 40 goal gaborik
Prust, Richards
Half a year of rookie McDonagh, God McDonagh
Erik Christensen, Carl Hagelin
The #6 in 10/11 was Brian Boyle...
Kakko
Formerly Chytil
What a ****ing joke
Let me ask you. Are you Glenn Sather? Because you seem to know exactly what is happening behind closed doors. Maybe they haven't signed a contract because they have more important things to focus on, like winning hockey games. Maybe their contracts will reflect their play this season. A lot of players don't even like working on contracts during the season.
Btw, 'players that aren't that good to begin with' just makes it sound like you have a negative agenda
1) Good point, but I mentioned that
2) Prust was good, but I wouldn't say he was a difference maker
3) McDonagh was very solid as a rookie
4) EC, really?
5) Hagelin, he's in the Prust mold, he did make a big difference for the 11-12 team, but it's not like he's a star player and we made the ECF with him doing nothing all playoffs.
6) If anything Boyle is supports my argument, he went from good player Boyle, to crap Boyle outside of a short stretch at the end of the regular season and the beginning of the playoffs. Boyle was a good player in 10-11 (albeit most happened in one stretch). That was a DOWNGRADE in 11-12, their great season. Dubinsky was another downgrade when they managed to finish first in the east.
Basically, we gained a great Gabby at the expense of mediocre Gabby, an average top line center who was pretty streaky and was AWOL for a couple of months in the middle of the season, and some depth. That's not the difference between 2 points away from the PT and ECF, and the worst team in the league.
Kakko
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I think you misunderstood. The first thing I listed was what we had in 11. The second thing was what we had instead the next year.
We lost Prust and gained Richards. Lost EC, gained Hags.
McD got much better
Etc.
That doesn't change my point. And we still had Prust in 11-12 though he wasn't as good as 10-11. Either way, we gained one superstar and an average top line center who was MIA for a long part of the season. McDonagh was much better in 11-12, but he was very solid in 10-11. That's not the difference between last place in the league and #2 in the league, not even close.
what are you talking about with last place in the league? the diff between 10/11 and 11/12 is upgrading from christensen to richards, our star sniper playing like a star sniper and a young team getting a year older and better.
Yeah but my original post was about timing in trading these players. In the past i've called for trading these players. You just need instant gratification. You are a fan that likes young players and doesn't appreciate homegrown players. That's ok....
This team can win in the playoffs. Will they? Probably not but they still can. Just because you say it's not possible doesn't make that true. Why don't the Rangers just trade Hank? That would solve all your problems!
They beat Florida in OT in the first round. A bounce of the puck and they could've been out in the first round. I wonder if Devils fans think the run was easy.
Wait, so anything can happen? Right?
Because they destroy your argument. I get it...
They made it to the finals. Hmm. What would a Stanley Cup finals run do for players like Kreider, Zuccerello, McD, etc? It would give them confidence going into next season. It would help build exactly what you want the team to be in..........5 to 7 years.....Great planning on your part!
Soooooo root for them to lose. Don't complain to me about it. Don't cry because I live in reality where trades you like want to happen now (Instant gratification) aren't going to happen. Think about my original post. The Rangers can still move these guys after the playoffs if they aren't going resign. Is the value the same? Nope, but it's something.
Are the Rangers good enough today to beat those teams? Probably not but a lot can happen between now and when they would have to face the Bruins or Penguins. Why don't the Rangers just forfeit every game the rest of the season? They would surely get the best chance to win the lottery. What's the point of even watching the games?
So, you know the contracts they are going to sign? When does the team plan to announce the signings?
It is? So the best way to run a business is to charge a lot of money for fans to go to games, get hot and into playoff position and then sell two players for prospects AND then not replace them...That's a new concept...I can't believe other teams don't buy into that. It's a really smart way to run a team....
But they might be. You get that timing in making a trade needs to be right. You don't get the dressing room thing at all. If you did you would understand my point.
No it's not....It would be if the Rangers traded Callahan and Girardi today but they aren't. Root for the Rangers to lose, it's the only way they are getting traded at the deadline. Just don't call yourself a Ranger fan.
You can't say that and be serious. I'm not Glen Sather. You are! How else can you explain what's going on.
Yes they do.
1.) We have no idea what's going on.
2.) Nobody cares that you don't see them in the Rangers future plans.
How do you know a cup contender wants to trade big assets? What if teams aren't willing to part with big assets? Should Sather trade them for just anything?
I'm sorry but I don't trust your opinion about how to build for the future. I can't trust somebody that' doesn't care about the other players on the team, the fans who pay money to go to the games to see a competitive team, or somebody that just wants a shiny new toy....younger isn't always better....
If they had the Islanders record I wouldn't be against it either. You missed my point. I'm not explain it again....
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What a ****ing joke
Let me ask you. Are you Glenn Sather? Because you seem to know exactly what is happening behind closed doors. Maybe they haven't signed a contract because they have more important things to focus on, like winning hockey games. Maybe their contracts will reflect their play this season. A lot of players don't even like working on contracts during the season.
Btw, 'players that aren't that good to begin with' just makes it sound like you have a negative agenda
Yeah I definitely don't agree with you here.
I find it really disturbing that there's no progress with Callahan, and minimal with Girardi, though we've heard he's going to sign before the olympics apparently. Everyone is getting locked up around the league, and I wouldn't put it past Sather to pull a Lamoriello and let his top assets leave for nothing. He's not very into this whole "effort" thing that the GM position requires. I have no faith in this situation.
I don't have a negative agenda, I don't think G/C are bad players. Just that they wont be worth the 6 mill that I bet my shoes that they will each get on the open market. They're quality players in a laughable FA class, with the cap going up. Why would they take a hometown discount/take a reasonable deal when they can get a lot more. This is likely their last contracts each. It's a business
Kakko
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I know it's not. But it's the difference between 1st and 8th.
If we switch Hank for a bad goalie, those teams finish last and 8th instead of 8th and 1st
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Alright seriously, stop with the "shiny new toy" ********. I went a bit over the top there with my opinion on the contracts and such, but I've wanted Callahan and Girardi traded most of the year, winning or losing, honestly.
BOTH of those teams that went to the finals are better than this team. Why are you holding on to "anything can happen"? Because two better teams fluked their way to the finals and lost recently?
This isn't trading for the sake of trading. This is trading to recoup assets on players that aren't long term solutions, I don't believe they are at least. Are you comfortable giving Girardi 6 million dollars? Callahan too? I'm not.
Don't ****ing tell me I'm a bad fan because I don't give homegrown players special treatment and perferration. As if that makes them any more valuable. If they're not worth a contract, they're not worth a contract. Sports are a business.
I'd REALLY like you to point out where I'm rooting for them to lose in this argument.
What the hell does trading Hank have to do with anything?
I again ask, why does a team having a chance of PROBABLY winning in the playoffs trump a chance to recoup assets and retool? That same exact cycle got us into mediocrity for 8 damn years.
No I'm sorry I'm done with this argument. You want to keep seeing mediocrity? Fine. Have fun.
"A bad goalie". I guess if we had Dubnyk. Most teams wouldn't be very good with a bad goalie. Other than that, the goaltending position is becoming less and less important.
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If every top team switched their goalie out for a bad one, they'd fall a few spots.
Kakko
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Yeah, and with Hank, we won't ever pick top-5, unless we manage to make a team worse than the current Sabres
That NJ team was like really weak for a cup finalist, I'm not sure they were better than this team.
Reading this board is like watching republicans and democrats fighting about political issues.
It's either one extreme or the other.
I have news for 95% of you guys here. There is a middle ground. It's not rebuild or bust and it's not remain the course or bust.
There needs to be a mixture of our own guys that we've grown with, guys that contain a certain leadership and significance to this particular locker room and fan base... and a mixture of youth and future foresight.
It's not, "well if we trade Cally or Girardi, let's start shipping out Boyle, DZ, Brassard, and Moore" and restock.
It's not "let's pretend the future isn't coming and sell young assets to try and put us over the top for this year".
Furthermore, I think it's ridiculous for people to argue about how stupid or wrong a person is in their appraisal of the team and their process in fixing it. None of us are in the front office here. Your opinion is your opinion, and just that. Recognize that it's an opinion and that it has no significance in what will actually transpire. Arguing about this is stupid.
My 2 cents.
It's either one extreme or the other.
I have news for 95% of you guys here. There is a middle ground. It's not rebuild or bust and it's not remain the course or bust.
There needs to be a mixture of our own guys that we've grown with, guys that contain a certain leadership and significance to this particular locker room and fan base... and a mixture of youth and future foresight.
It's not, "well if we trade Cally or Girardi, let's start shipping out Boyle, DZ, Brassard, and Moore" and restock.
It's not "let's pretend the future isn't coming and sell young assets to try and put us over the top for this year".
Furthermore, I think it's ridiculous for people to argue about how stupid or wrong a person is in their appraisal of the team and their process in fixing it. None of us are in the front office here. Your opinion is your opinion, and just that. Recognize that it's an opinion and that it has no significance in what will actually transpire. Arguing about this is stupid.
My 2 cents.
Sorry you don't want a shiny new toy, I was wrong that's not what you want at all. You want a gleaming different novelty.
I'm not holding to anything can happen. I know anything can happen. Doesn't mean it will but doesn't mean it won't. The point is the Rangers aren't trading these players today and probably not at the deadline. I don't think you and I disagree on the players being moved if the team is out of it. They aren't out of it though..
How do you know they aren't long term solutions? Can you easily replace these players? I don't know what the contracts are going to be. You know what? You don't either....
You are a great fan. A fan that openly wants the team to play worse so they can trade two players that developed in New York, have proved they can be successful here, and have seen worse players get big contracts. Lets not pay the guys that earned it....right? You don't care about homegrown players though so why am I having an argument with a non-Ranger fan about the future of the team?
Keep typing. It's in all your arguments.
If the Rangers trade Hank they will be worse, get better draft picks. That's all you want.
Hmm...Why does a team having a chance of probably sorry PROBABLY winning in the playoffs trump a chance to recoup assets and retool? Hmmm...Define mediocrity please? It seems to me you think if a team doesn't win a Stanley Cup that makes them mediocre. If you have those expectations every year you will disappointed...Trust me as a life long Ranger fan you are going to be disappointed a lot.
I'm done too. You have little loyalty to the players that have come through the system and performed here. I don't want to give them huge contracts but I don't want to trade them just to trade them. That's not smart...
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They were less skilled for sure but their forecheck never stopped, and it was overwhelming for most teams.
we need an upgrade over Pouliot...he is too slow for the good teams
just throwing ideas out there to upgrade LW
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