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Wow looking at the standings, the Islanders were really smart to protect the first they sent in the Vanek trade if it was a top 10 pick. Buffalo could have ended up with the top two picks in the draft.
 
Girardi and Callahan become problems when you're paying them for the next 6-7 years. Look at them now and project their play in 6-7 years. That's the issue. Callahan missed nearly 4 weeks with the knee but he looks to be a shell of the player he was. It can't be all about the rest of this season. Gorton becomes the GM or any GM in his position(Slats will be 71 this year) and he needs to be given 5 years to win the Cup. Its not an overnight process. You will never get there if its all about this year. 5 year plan. Sather has had 14 years. If there is a succession plan in place and I'm Gorton,I would have major impact on what moves are made going forward. More than usual. He was involved with the Lundqvist talks. The contract talks are his job. Stepan and Lundqvist were always at the top of the list. I got the feeling it was we'll get to the other guys later. Those guys aren't signed and its January. There was some disagreement on Richards. Louie Jean reported that. The front office was split on keeping him for this season. Sather wanted to keep him. Glen said Richards was distracted because he negotiated the CBA. The Rangers amnesty him in June and its no longer a problem. Signing a player long-term becomes Gorton's problem.

After losing defenceman Dennis Seidenberg for the balance of the season with a knee injury, the Bruins have insisted they will try to fill from within. If that doesn’t happen, they could kick tires looking for a blueliner to help them fill the minutes. The Bruins could certainly look at Rangers defenceman Dan Girardi. He has been shopped around because New York Rangers GM Glen Sather is concerned he won’t be able to re-sign Girardi, who is a UFA on July 1
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http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/01/04...i-games-should-get-things-rolling-much-sooner

You can't let the player leave for nothing.

Michael Del Zotto was a surprise insertion into the lineup, replacing Conor Allen. It is not known if the match represented a showcase for the defenseman. Neither is it known whether general manager Glen Sather chatted with Del Zotto’s agents, who were in the house, but there was no formal meeting.

The Maple Leafs have expressed previous interest in Del Zotto, but both Jake Gardiner and Cody Franson, the Toronto defensemen who’d been mentioned as potential parties of the other part, had dreadful games and do not excite the Rangers as return in a potential trade.
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http://nypost.com/2014/01/04/rangers-make-deal-for-tough-guy-carcillo/

Gardiner was really good playing for Ron Wilson. The total opposite under Randy Carlyle.

Who excites the Rangers as a potential return? Anyone?
 
RangerBoy said:
Girardi and Callahan become problems when you're paying them for the next 6-7 years. Look at them now and project their play in 6-7 years. That's the issue. Callahan missed nearly 4 weeks with the knee but he looks to be a shell of the player he was. It can't be all about the rest of this season. Gorton becomes the GM or any GM in his position(Slats will be 71 this year) and he needs to be given 5 years to win the Cup. Its not an overnight process. You will never get there if its all about this year. 5 year plan. Sather has had 14 years. If there is a succession plan in place and I'm Gorton,I would have major impact on what moves are made going forward. More than usual. He was involved with the Lundqvist talks. The contract talks are his job. Stepan and Lundqvist were always at the top of the list. I got the feeling it was we'll get to the other guys later. Those guys aren't signed and its January. There was some disagreement on Richards. Louie Jean reported that. The front office was split on keeping him for this season. Sather wanted to keep him. Glen said Richards was distracted because he negotiated the CBA. The Rangers amnesty him in June and its no longer a problem. Signing a player long-term becomes Gorton's problem.
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That is the issue that most of us in favor of moving Girardi and Callahan are most concerned about. If Girardi is willing to take a 4-year, $21 million deal, sign me up, since I think you'll get 3 solid years before that deal becomes an albatross. But, if you are not going sign either player, deal them and don't waste an asset. Because when both players hit the open market someone will be foolish enough to throw a Wideman/Clarkson deal in their direction.

The fact that Gorton is handling contracts, and the fact that neither deal is done gives me hope that Gorton does understand the issues at hand, and why I believe both players could be dealt if nothing is done by the deadline, regardless of where the Rangers are in the standings.
 
RangerBoy said:
Girardi and Callahan become problems when you're paying them for the next 6-7 years. Look at them now and project their play in 6-7 years. That's the issue. Callahan missed nearly 4 weeks with the knee but he looks to be a shell of the player he was. It can't be all about the rest of this season. Gorton becomes the GM or any GM in his position(Slats will be 71 this year) and he needs to be given 5 years to win the Cup. Its not an overnight process. You will never get there if its all about this year. 5 year plan. Sather has had 14 years. If there is a succession plan in place and I'm Gorton,I would have major impact on what moves are made going forward. More than usual. He was involved with the Lundqvist talks. The contract talks are his job. Stepan and Lundqvist were always at the top of the list. I got the feeling it was we'll get to the other guys later. Those guys aren't signed and its January. There was some disagreement on Richards. Louie Jean reported that. The front office was split on keeping him for this season. Sather wanted to keep him. Glen said Richards was distracted because he negotiated the CBA. The Rangers amnesty him in June and its no longer a problem. Signing a player long-term becomes Gorton's problem.



http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/01/04...i-games-should-get-things-rolling-much-sooner

You can't let the player leave for nothing.



http://nypost.com/2014/01/04/rangers-make-deal-for-tough-guy-carcillo/

Gardiner was really good playing for Ron Wilson. The total opposite under Randy Carlyle.

Who excites the Rangers as a potential return? Anyone?
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Wasn't it just the other day that Brooks (or maybe it was someone else) said that the Rangers brass is extremely high on Franson?
 
RangerBoy said:
Girardi and Callahan become problems when you're paying them for the next 6-7 years. Look at them now and project their play in 6-7 years. That's the issue. Callahan missed nearly 4 weeks with the knee but he looks to be a shell of the player he was. It can't be all about the rest of this season. Gorton becomes the GM or any GM in his position(Slats will be 71 this year) and he needs to be given 5 years to win the Cup. Its not an overnight process. You will never get there if its all about this year. 5 year plan. Sather has had 14 years. If there is a succession plan in place and I'm Gorton,I would have major impact on what moves are made going forward. More than usual. He was involved with the Lundqvist talks. The contract talks are his job. Stepan and Lundqvist were always at the top of the list. I got the feeling it was we'll get to the other guys later. Those guys aren't signed and its January. There was some disagreement on Richards. Louie Jean reported that. The front office was split on keeping him for this season. Sather wanted to keep him. Glen said Richards was distracted because he negotiated the CBA. The Rangers amnesty him in June and its no longer a problem. Signing a player long-term becomes Gorton's problem.



http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/01/04...i-games-should-get-things-rolling-much-sooner

You can't let the player leave for nothing.



http://nypost.com/2014/01/04/rangers-make-deal-for-tough-guy-carcillo/

Gardiner was really good playing for Ron Wilson. The total opposite under Randy Carlyle.

Who excites the Rangers as a potential return? Anyone?
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Slightly off topic, but what's your personal opinion regarding Sather's future? Do you think he steps down after this season?
 
The Rangers don't have the depth to trade Girardi at the deadline for picks or whatever. They need to re-sign him and keep him a Ranger.

I love Callahan, but his trade value might be higher than whatever contract he ends up signing. He's injury prone and seems to be hurt every year when it matters most.

Girardi has to be the priority.
 
haohmaru said:
The Rangers don't have the depth to trade Girardi at the deadline for picks or whatever. They need to re-sign him and keep him a Ranger.

I love Callahan, but his trade value might be higher than whatever contract he ends up signing. He's injury prone and seems to be hurt every year when it matters most.

Girardi has to be the priority.
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How much?
 
Vitto79 said:
He's going to get atleast 5 million. If they can get a good young rd and top pick I trade him

I prefer keeping Callahan if he goes for 6 yr and 5 per . A lot of fans don't but he is not clarkson he's better than him
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Better than Clarkson, yes. Worth giving a long term contract? Probably not.
 
Trading Girardi and/or Callahan at this stage is really a tough call for the organization.

They're still very much in the race for a playoff spot, and in all likelyhood will be until the trade deadline. Trading these guys will send the message to the rest of the team that, they don't believe in their chances of making any noise in the playoffs, even if they made it (which is what will happen).

I'm all for trading both these guys, especially Callahan, since I really don't think he will be worth the money and term he'll be asking (and getting). Girardi OTOH, I think we really need to determine who will eat up his minutes and is ready and able to step in and play against the other teams top lines. If its from within (McI), is he ready? No, he's not obviously, so we'll need to live with the growing pains. I'm ready, and I think most of us are, but is Sather, AV, Nash...???

Therefore, the question becomes and as always, do we go for it now/soon or not? Replacing Girardi with another FA, and throwing crazy money doesn't make sense, and should not be the course we take. I suggest offering a 7yr, $5.5M/yr deal, but with a NO, NTC. I'm sure he'll be worth it for the first 2-3 yrs of the deal, and when McI is ready we can look to deal Girardi, even if the return will be less.

Just my 2 cents.
 
If I were the Oilers, I'd be drooling over Girardi and/or Callahan. Either one of them would be exactly with the they need. Edm has several players that I think are somewhat redundant, and would look great in Ranger uniforms.

I just don't see anything happening between the two teams.
 
beef 4 lunch said:
If I were the Oilers, I'd be drooling over Girardi and/or Callahan. Either one of them would be exactly with the they need. Edm has several players that I think are somewhat redundant, and would look great in Ranger uniforms.

I just don't see anything happening between the two teams.
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The problem is that which of Callahan and/or Girardi is going to want to sign a long-term deal in Edmonton?
 
RangerBoy said:
How much?
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why is it an issue to pay him.. every team around the league is signing their core guys up

do you want getz/perry cap when hes 34-36yrs old..

zeterberg is 33 and hes sign till hes in his early 40s..

sedins are 34 and signed till their late 30s

dion just signed a 7year deal taking him to 36

the point is every contract is a risk, but if you dont pay your not going to easily replace what you lost..

why is it an issue to pay our home grown guys what they deserve.. take that over payment as what shouldve been given to Mcd..

the second girardi isn't on this team is the time you wish he never left.. he is not replaceable.. top pairing RHD do not come available often and are impossible to make up for what he brings..

a younger guy is not going to be as sound as G is..

5yr-30m

or 6yr-33m

or 7-35 and call it a day..

we dont sign him we will and you can almost expect to over pay even more on FA and not even get the same production back.. hes a warrior and id take on my team any day..


then this time next year we'll see new threads pop up the same as dubi and prust leaving..i really dont get it..
 
dethomas07 said:
why is it an issue to pay him.. every team around the league is signing their core guys up

do you want getz/perry cap when hes 34-36yrs old..

zeterberg is 33 and hes sign till hes in his early 40s..

sedins are 34 and signed till their late 30s

dion just signed a 7year deal taking him to 36

the point is every contract is a risk, but if you dont pay your not going to easily replace what you lost..

why is it an issue to pay our home grown guys what they deserve.. take that over payment as what shouldve been given to Mcd..

the second girardi isn't on this team is the time you wish he never left.. he is not replaceable.. top pairing RHD do not come available often and are impossible to make up for what he brings..

a younger guy is not going to be as sound as G is..

5yr-30m

or 6yr-33m

or 7-35 and call it a day..

we dont sign him we will and you can almost expect to over pay even more on FA and not even get the same production back.. hes a warrior and id take on my team any day..


then this time next year we'll see new threads pop up the same as dubi and prust leaving..i really dont get it..
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The difference between Zetterberg, the Sedins, and maybe Perry(don't follow him enough) is that they don't play shut a black and blue role, tying up Girardi and Callahan for such long term contracts the Rangers could end up with another Drury situation.
 
NYR2047 said:
The difference between Zetterberg, the Sedins, and maybe Perry(don't follow him enough) is that they don't play shut a black and blue role, tying up Girardi and Callahan for such long term contracts the Rangers could end up with another Drury situation.
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injuries are part of the game..

malkin is hurt every other week and misses half the season..

zetterberg is constantly hurt

bergeron/krecji are constantly missing time

kesler is constantly hurt

injuries are hockey and the style they play sucks for fans bc they put their bodies on the line and will miss time..

im just saying rangers never take care of their own.. they always make things difficult.. and want the next best thing instead of building a team and keeping a team together for a long time.. with the cap raising paying someone 4m this year is like 6m next year and the coming years will only increase the cap and players AAVs will rise even more.. wait till stamkos deal bet it will be 10m AAV..

they are always willing to over pay someone more outside the org then in the org and its wrong..

sign players as best you can under market value or close to and everyone wins.. these guys are heart and sole players why not pay them for their services
 
NYR2047 said:
The difference between Zetterberg, the Sedins, and maybe Perry(don't follow him enough) is that they don't play shut a black and blue role, tying up Girardi and Callahan for such long term contracts the Rangers could end up with another Drury situation.
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If we give Callahan that money it will absolutely be a Drury situation. They're the same player. Drury was a bigger scorer than Cally before we paid him. Cally misses 10-20 games every year with injuries already. We will end up hating Cally before his extension is up. Stepan is like a more skilled, less gritty Callahan as well.

Girardi is a different story. He will slow down and become a middle pairing RHD and not the top pairing guy but he will still be serviceable and a good leader/mentor for young D we bring in/develop over the years. He never misses games, or even shifts, with injuries and I don't think he'll suddenly break down and become injury prone. Even if he starts missing 2-5 every year, that's nothing; significantly less than Callahan has missed very year already. He'll be reliable for top four minutes for another 5 years, I have little doubt.
 
dethomas07 said:
why is it an issue to pay him.. every team around the league is signing their core guys up

do you want getz/perry cap when hes 34-36yrs old..

zeterberg is 33 and hes sign till hes in his early 40s..

sedins are 34 and signed till their late 30s

dion just signed a 7year deal taking him to 36

the point is every contract is a risk, but if you dont pay your not going to easily replace what you lost..

why is it an issue to pay our home grown guys what they deserve.. take that over payment as what shouldve been given to Mcd..

the second girardi isn't on this team is the time you wish he never left.. he is not replaceable.. top pairing RHD do not come available often and are impossible to make up for what he brings..

a younger guy is not going to be as sound as G is..

5yr-30m

or 6yr-33m

or 7-35 and call it a day..

we dont sign him we will and you can almost expect to over pay even more on FA and not even get the same production back.. hes a warrior and id take on my team any day..


then this time next year we'll see new threads pop up the same as dubi and prust leaving..i really dont get it..
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lol

The only comparable player in your list to either Callahan or Girardi is Dion Phaneuf.

If we were talking about Getzlaf, Perry, Zetterberg or the Sedins, they would have been signed already.

Just because they were/are part of the "core" (which seems to change on a whim thanks to Sather's ingenious team construction and ideals) doesn't mean they are worth giving long term contracts.
 
SERE 24 said:
If we give Callahan that money it will absolutely be a Drury situation. They're the same player. Drury was a bigger scorer than Cally before we paid him. Cally misses 10-20 games every year with injuries already. We will end up hating Cally before his extension is up. Stepan is like a more skilled, less gritty Callahan as well.

Girardi is a different story. He will slow down and become a middle pairing RHD and not the top pairing guy but he will still be serviceable and a good leader/mentor for young D we bring in/develop over the years. He never misses games, or even shifts, with injuries and I don't think he'll suddenly break down and become injury prone. Even if he starts missing 2-5 every year, that's nothing; significantly less than Callahan has missed very year already. He'll be reliable for top four minutes for another 5 years, I have little doubt.
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totally agree, my comments above are more geared to g as well.. I want him around for the rest of his career.. bc hes not replaceable for what he brings..

and in terms of callahan i want him, but i wouldnt pay him the long term as i would g.. to me we have other leaders on the team that can bring that skill set to their roles like g, staal, even stepan
 
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