Speculation: Trade Speculation Part III

[foxboro24]

I definitely believe a team would pick up Volch off of waivers. He is an above-average third pairing defenseman and a slightly below average (if not average) second pairing D man.

I think Tallinder can be moved as well. Lou might have to bite the bullet and give up a late pick or a lesser prospect but it can be done.

If this is the case why are we so desperate to trade/release him?

 

[Richer's Ghost]

Can we set up a new thread entitled "Rational trade speculation"?

go visit the main board trade threads... you'll appreciate the rationality of this thread so much more.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

If this is the case why are we so desperate to trade/release him?

We may be doesn't mean the team's management is.

 

[foxboro24]

We may be doesn't mean the team's management is.

I know he is making some mistakes but they seem to be uncharacteristic I don't remember them happening before I still like him and think he can turn this around what noone realizes is the short season/no training camp is hurting defensive players more than any position they won't get their legs this season so we should quit on them for the next two years?

 

[CerebralGenesis]

You don't recall Volch being slow-ish and being terrible with the puck at all zones of the ice?

Or Tallinder making bad plays leading to grade A chances in his own zone more frequent than not?

I would consider those to be characteristics of them since we got them. The issue is mainly that they are making over 7M now to be mediocre.

 

[aboriginal]

Can we set up a new thread entitled "Rational trade speculation"?

youve been here since 07 and you expecting rational thought here? oh boy

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Weiss will be a Devil.

I, too, am confident that if Lou has the right deal in place, he'll readily pull the trigger.

Weiss posted his career-highs in goals, assists and points under DeBoer. It'd be great to see if PDB could rekindle that production if Weiss made his way to NJ.

 

[foxboro24]

I, too, am confident that if Lou has the right deal in place, he'll readily pull the trigger.

Weiss posted his career-highs in goals, assists and points under DeBoer. It'd be great to see if PDB could rekindle that production if Weiss made his way to NJ.

Is this an actual rumor or just something we were hoping for?

 

[rrekaj13]

I feel like the value of Volch or Tally is so low that we would be only receiving minor picks in return. Or someone else's mediocre cancer/fighter that they can't find a use for.

 

[apice3*]

Is this an actual rumor or just something we were hoping for?

Well Weiss and Dineen aren't seeing eye-to-eye right now, Weiss is a UFA-to-be, and he would be a great fit on the Devils. Plus he was successful under DeBoer and we've brought in a couple players from Florida to succeed here in Carter and Bernier. This board has speculated bringing him in for like 3 years now.

The only issue with it would be an abundance of roster players:

2 Goalies
8 D-men
Kovy, Henrique, Zubrus, Clarkson, Zajac, Elias, Poni, Loki, Carter, Gionta, Bernier, Matteau, Butler, Barch = 14 (healthy) forwards + Josefson + Weiss.

That's 26 roster players, unless we trade a body to Florida.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Is this an actual rumor or just something we were hoping for?

It's no rumor that Weiss is in need of a change of a scenery, and its been confirmed that Dineen is ticked at his sub-par play of late. He most likely will get traded.

We just want him on the Devils. Him under DeBoer again would be great.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

We could probably get him for a decent price without a few of a bidding war since he has a NTC. If he actually wants to play with Deboer again, that will definitely help.

 

[manilaNJ]

Everything is this thread is basically just a wish list or people trying to put 2 and 2 together.

We never get a whiff of anything substantial until like 20 minutes before something actually happens.

We could probably get him for a decent price without a few of a bidding war since he has a NTC. If he actually wants to play with Deboer again, that will definitely help.

It's a NMC, not a NTC. Still gives him a bit of leverage in where he ends up, though. And if he truly did like playing for DeBoer, then that swings in our favor, definitely.

 

[apice3*]

NMC's are overrated, but if Weiss were to exercise it, I doubt he'd use it to void a trade to us. It's a good fit for both sides, plus Weiss gets out of Florida and can sign wherever he wants in July anyway.

 

[foxboro24]

Everything is this thread is basically just a wish list or people trying to put 2 and 2 together.

We never get a whiff of anything substantial until like 20 minutes before something actually happens.



It's a NMC, not a NTC. Still gives him a bit of leverage in where he ends up, though. And if he truly did like playing for DeBoer, then that swings in our favor, definitely.

seriously the devils are no joke in never letting the cat out of the bag

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

We could probably get him for a decent price without a few of a bidding war since he has a NTC. If he actually wants to play with Deboer again, that will definitely help.

The closer we get to the deadline, the more competitive the bidding war will be, the more we'll have to give up, the lower out chances of getting him.

Wait for the Panthers to lose a couple more games, then Lou should swoop in with an offer.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

It's a NMC, not a NTC. Still gives him a bit of leverage in where he ends up, though. And if he truly did like playing for DeBoer, then that swings in our favor, definitely.

You have more leverage under a NMC than a NTC.

- If a player waives his NTC clause that means he's ok to be basically traded anywhere

- A NMC means the team can't trade, waive or send down a player without his approval.

So if Weiss really wants to play for Deboer again and that's true the Panthers want to trade him, He will soon.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

Ya NMC is better for the player so that isn't a positive.

Or is it better for us?

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Ya NMC is better for the player so that isn't a positive.

Or is it better for us?

If you trust the posters on this thread, definitely. re:

 

[Cowbell232]

- If a player waives his NTC clause that means he's ok to be basically traded anywhere

If you're going to correct people, you better be prepared for others to do the same.

You're technically wrong about this. It depends on what kind of NTC the contract states. Some players have NTC were they have to specify a handful of teams they're okay to trade to, some players have 3 teams they won't go to, etc. There are many variations of the NTC.

 

[manilaNJ]

And it was a correction on a phantom comparison that I didn't even make

 

[Volodya Krutov]

If you're going to correct people, you better be prepared for others to do the same.

You're technically wrong about this. It depends on what kind of NTC the contract states. Some players have NTC were they have to specify a handful of teams they're okay to trade to, some players have 3 teams they won't go to, etc. There are many variations of the NTC.

Yes and it's called a NMC. Example: Rick Nash to the Rangers

And I was kidding with Manila, she's a poster I really respect. Don't get me wrong.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

And it was a correction on a phantom comparison that I didn't even make

Sorry.

 

[manilaNJ]

Sorry.

It's ok, we're cool
I appreciate the creativity

 

[Richer's Ghost]

Yes and it's called a NMC. Example: Rick Nash to the Rangers

And I was kidding with Manila, she's a poster I really respect. Don't get me wrong.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/trade_deadline/notrades.html

numerous examples

there are limited versions of both NTCs and NMCs