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Clifford, Toffoli and a 1st for Gabby and a 3rd or

Dustin Brown and 1st for Gabby and a 3rd.


Yes ?!?!

Think of it from LA's point of view, would you make either those deals? I'm gonna go ahead and say no. There's no single deal for Gaborik that makes any sense for LA and you're over valuing the hell out of Gaborik who's a UFA in 1 year.
 
There is no way in hot Hell LA trades us or anyone Dustin Brown. They have pieces they would be willing to move and DB is most certainly not one of them.
 
Wonder if CBJ would be willing to wheel and deal with us again?

Brassard, Foligno, 1st rounder (ours)

For

Gaborik

Hagelin - Stepan - Nash
Foligno - Richards - Callahan
Kreider - Brassard - Miller
Pyatt - Boyle - Powe

Yeah, I like that team. Better yet...

Hagelin - Stepan - Nash
Foligno - Richards - Callahan
Kreider - Brassard - Zuccarello
Pyatt - Powe - Miller

Yeah, that third line would be pretty defensively irresponsible, but that's on the coaches to teach.

that's not a crazy idea, deal Gaborik for our 1st back, Brassard ( salary ), Foligno would be a nice pick up.

Also CLB has alot of Dmen so maybe even getting Tyutin back ( more salary)................add Boyle, Eminger back

wonder if CLB is on the no trade though.
 
that's not a crazy idea, deal Gaborik for our 1st back, Brassard ( salary ), Foligno would be a nice pick up.

Also CLB has alot of Dmen so maybe even getting Tyutin back ( more salary)................add Boyle, Eminger back

wonder if CLB is on the no trade though.

CLB is just starting to gel and are actually winning. They are not making a trade right now.
 
that's not a crazy idea, deal Gaborik for our 1st back, Brassard ( salary ), Foligno would be a nice pick up.

Also CLB has alot of Dmen so maybe even getting Tyutin back ( more salary)................add Boyle, Eminger back

wonder if CLB is on the no trade though.

The fact that you don't think it's a crazy idea means it's a crazy idea.
 
Think of it from LA's point of view, would you make either those deals? I'm gonna go ahead and say no. There's no single deal for Gaborik that makes any sense for LA and you're over valuing the hell out of Gaborik who's a UFA in 1 year.

The first proposal is fair. I'm not overvaluing (one word, not two)a 40 goal scorer who is under contract for one more year, you are definitely undervaluing (one word, not two) him.

I'm not a GM and neither are you, so we shall see what - if anything - Gabby fetches.
 
Some people are definitely overvaluing Gaborik's value. By the same token, some other people are definitely undervaluing his value.
Inferno was right, this is a sellers market. His value will be high. How many 40goal scorers will be made available?
We will find out what his value is.
 
Some people are definitely overvaluing Gaborik's value. By the same token, some other people are definitely undervaluing his value.
Inferno was right, this is a sellers market. His value will be high. How many 40goal scorers will be made available?
We will find out what his value is.

We undervalue Gabby because we get the joy of watching him night in and night out (and he's mostly out, as in invisible). And no....throwing a few perimeter shots at the goalie on some nights doesn't cut it for being a 7.5 million dollar sniper.

If LA would trade Justin Williams straight up for Gabby, I'd take it and run like the wind......

But since most here seem to think we can get some Big Time Cogs for our "so-called 40 goal scorer".....we might as well see if we can pry Dustin Brown, Anze Kopitar, AND Drew Doughty for Gabby, Boyle, Bickel, and we'll throw in a 3rd......:naughty::p::sarcasm:
 

My thought is that, as usual, you make no effort to take the other team's needs or desires into consideration.
How presumptive and incorrect on your part, though it is your opinion and I asked for it.
I had heard it was a broken foot, out for the year.
I was curious if there was anything more optimistic, and if any one had any insight to contribute. I felt that was reasonable before speculating on pieces of a deal. It is not a lack of effort, or unwillingness to consider their needs, especially their IMMEDIATE needs.

I was correct to make such inquiry.
The official answer at their site is broken foot, expected return in April.

This is reasonably good news for an acquiring team looking at next year.
No long term complications, apparently, expected.

Balance of this year is muddied as to how much/well he can play balance of the year.

All of this tells me that probably still not gonna move him, but they would consider something to save this year they would not otherwise consider.

Vancouver desperately needs a center. No chance they move Kesler.
They semi=desperately need him beyond this year.

They desperately need him THIS year.
If he is fully healed, good to go, and can make meaningful contribution in enough games, then, yes, I agree, there is almost no way they move him.

But if that is not enough games, and if there is too much variable he won't chip in this year, he could be available, IMO.

YOU may not like it, but it's a fair and legit question.

The floor is open.

Assuming no one has any insight, and we are going on what is available at the 'nucks board, assume Kesler is a minimal contributor at most.

Does Vancouver feel more need to move Kesler and still try and get an impact player for this year? If so what kind of offer is enough to do it? Or does Vancouver say Kesler is core, I'll think about futures if at all, and if I can't overcome this key injury, I take my lumps for this year to be stronger next time?
 
We undervalue Gabby because we get the joy of watching him night in and night out (and he's mostly out, as in invisible). And no....throwing a few perimeter shots at the goalie on some nights doesn't cut it for being a 7.5 million dollar sniper.

If LA would trade Justin Williams straight up for Gabby, I'd take it and run like the wind......

But since most here seem to think we can get some Big Time Cogs for our "so-called 40 goal scorer".....we might as well see if we can pry Dustin Brown, Anze Kopitar, AND Drew Doughty for Gabby, Boyle, Bickel, and we'll throw in a 3rd......:naughty::p::sarcasm:

Well, don't know what to say, you are judging a 13 year career based on a 24 game sample size. If this isn't what have you done for me lately, don't know what is.
 
How presumptive and incorrect on your part, though it is your opinion and I asked for it.
I had heard it was a broken foot, out for the year.
I was curious if there was anything more optimistic, and if any one had any insight to contribute. I felt that was reasonable before speculating on pieces of a deal. It is not a lack of effort, or unwillingness to consider their needs, especially their IMMEDIATE needs.

It's not a lack of effort or an unwillingness, it's a lack of appreciation for the roster and organizational priorities of the team. It's a lack of appreciation for the value of certain kinds of players, and the frequency with which they become available.

I was correct to make such inquiry.
The official answer at their site is broken foot, expected return in April.

Great. They won't be trading Ryan Kesler.

This is reasonably good news for an acquiring team looking at next year.
No long term complications, apparently, expected.

There is no acquiring team, because the Canucks won't be trading Ryan Kesler.

Balance of this year is muddied as to how much/well he can play balance of the year.

Oh, he could be out all year, and even into next season. He'll still be a Canuck.

All of this tells me that probably still not gonna move him, but they would consider something to save this year they would not otherwise consider.

That's incredible logic. How did you reach that conclusion? Based on what?

They semi=desperately need him beyond this year.
They desperately need him THIS year.
If he is fully healed, good to go, and can make meaningful contribution in enough games, then, yes, I agree, there is almost no way they move him.

But if that is not enough games, and if there is too much variable he won't chip in this year, he could be available, IMO.

YOU may not like it, but it's a fair and legit question. The floor is open.

It certainly isn't unfair; it's just pointless, because the answer to the question is as clear as the sky is blue.

Assuming no one has any insight, and we are going on what is available at the 'nucks board, assume Kesler is a minimal contributor at most.

Irrelevant.

Does Vancouver feel more need to move Kesler and still try and get an impact player for this year? If so what kind of offer is enough to do it? Or does Vancouver say Kesler is core, I'll think about futures if at all, and if I can't overcome this key injury, I take my lumps for this year to be stronger next time?

You haven't provided a single piece of evidence that would suggest they do. If Ryan Callahan was out with the same injury that Ryan Kesler is out with, would that somehow lead you to believe that the Rangers would consider moving him on the grounds that it would help them this season? How about Patrice Bergeron?

Wanna bet that the Canucks won't trade Kesler?
 
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The only way Nucks trade Kesler is if they get an offer they cant refuse.
 
OK...try this speculation...Nashville may have an interest in Gaborik (source is Nashville radio announcers) The Predators have a bunch of youg gritty players both in the NHL and upcoming. What if the trade brings the Rangers a grit forward and a draft pick plus another player who can be flipped to San Jose as the primary piece in a deal for Boyle? I don't know enough the Nashville roster or who they are willing to move but this seems like something that could work for all three teams.
 
hockeycentral mentioning Ott...........he would be perfect on this team

I saw they talked about Derek Roy aswell, I think Dallas signs him though
 
hockeycentral mentioning Ott...........he would be perfect on this team

I saw they talked about Derek Roy aswell, I think Dallas signs him though

If Ott is coming then Boyle has to be going the other way. Can't have Boyle lingering around at 1.7 million.

Especially with Ott's cap hit.
 
If Ott is coming then Boyle has to be going the other way. Can't have Boyle lingering around at 1.7 million.

Especially with Ott's cap hit.

I would give quite a bit for Ott.........Boyle for sure and I would even give up Thomas. Ott is really underrated and would replace what the Rangers lost in Prust and more

Thomas is going to be jumped by Fasth and Lindberg soon. Miller and Kreider are already over him and how many kids can they have in the lineup really?
 
Want no part of Boyle. He is a Torts guy. Richards is enough. Torts was Mr. PP wizard in Buffalo with Mogilny,Ducky Hawerchuk and LaFontaine. Anyone could have been a genius with those guys. How many major injuries has Kesler suffered in the last 2 years? Hip surgery. Wrist and shoulder surgeries. Broken foot right now. Damaged goods.
 
i don't believe gaborik is the problem. i think it's either the offensive 'system' or the team just playing too tight - afraid to get benched if they take a chance and eff-up.
 
Also, for 3+ that is kinda steep for cap hit for Ott. That is elite third line center money. So Ott would have to center a third line, but who centers the 4th?

I mean with guys like Powe/Asham, you can't really roll 4 lines equally...
 
Once said by a great man and Ranger,

"A group becomes a team when each member is sure enough of himself and his contribution to praise the skills of the others"

This is not that team, ZERO confidence eminates from half of it. You need to look at addressing that issue before this "TEAM" goes anywhere, or does anything. There are those eminating so much "Lack of" confidence it's becoming an issue throughout. Fix that and things will turn. Whether it's moving a body or two, so be it...
 
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