Rumor: Trade Rumours Thread XIV: Rangers gauging interest on Callahan/Girardi

[MortUWary]

I wonder if his wife has any relatives that live in St. Louis.

Someone get this man a cookie!

I spit out my water when I read that. Legit.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I wonder if his wife has any relatives that live in St. Louis.

Which one?

 

[Vitto79]

Hopefully for next season Miller can be that true #3 center that the team currently lacks. Some stability and not having him on a yo-yo between Hartford and NY will do wonders for the kid.

So everyone is that down on brassard at number 2 c? I think they go on w stepan, brassard, miller, likely resign Moore. Don't see boyle back or Lindberg ready

Stastny us a bad idea. He's been blah the last few yrs . This yr s a bounce back

 

[Vitto79]

I would resign Dominc Moore, FWIW.

As a 4th line c and pker the contracts good. Small raise and sure

 

[Ola]

Um, that is a really creative interpretation of Cally's demand for a 7-year $6MM per AAV deal. And Girardi sounds like he'll get done at 5-6 years at $5.5MM per or a little more.

So, the PROPER interpretation is that they're close on Girardi and Callahan has forced Slats to explore the trade market.

It's January and Callahan is at 6m even. Only 7 years. Slats could easily get it done at 8 years and like 5.75m per.

Cally is 28 y/o. He'd be 36 the last year of that deal. 8 years ago, the cap was 39m, in 8 years the cap will easily be way over 100m. If you front load that 8x5.75m deal to the max, you get a contract that is real easy to move when Cally is 34-36. Like a 2m contract today. Probably around 15-20 teams will be budget teams, salary will matter not cap hit. We could get down Cally's salary to like 3.75m the last three years. 3.75m in a 100-120m cap? It's Poo money...

 

[Ola]

Mint- I especially think Green should be an option if we plan to buy Richards out. BR is playing the point on both PPs. We can't replace him from within, not even close.

It's not easy to find a point player like that. Statsny wouldn't be close. He doesn't play that role. If not Green, who is the best we could do? Kimmo Timmonen at 5m per?

 

[I Eat Crow]

It would be terrible to lose either Girardi or Callahan for nothing. If either have any interest in testing free agency, I'd start making phone calls. If you can sign them reasonably, do it. Key word is reasonably. However, you need to look a your assets, and see who can slot in where. It's foolish to assume kids in the farm leagues will be ready, but you have to make gambles somewhere.

Lose Callahan and Richards to a buyout, that's 2nd line center and 3rd line RW to fill. With raises going to Zuccarello and bringing everyone else back, the Rangers have about 14 million in cap space to fill those two holes. If the scouting department feels that Fast or Kristo is ready to fill that hole, that gives you that much more money to play with. You can sign a Stastny and still have 6 million left in cap space. I think we see Sather take a run at Vanek to bump Hagelin down to the third line. Scary, but it can work financially.

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

I think the Rangers need to be very careful when acquiring a guy like Statsny. They should scout the crap out of him and make sure he is the type of player they want in AV's system. We kinda already have a guy like Statsny with Stepan.

He is the type of player that could be a complete disaster.

 

[mike14]

It would be terrible to lose either Girardi or Callahan for nothing. If either have any interest in testing free agency, I'd start making phone calls. If you can sign them reasonably, do it. Key word is reasonably. However, you need to look a your assets, and see who can slot in where. It's foolish to assume kids in the farm leagues will be ready, but you have to make gambles somewhere.

Lose Callahan and Richards to a buyout, that's 2nd line center and 3rd line RW to fill. With raises going to Zuccarello and bringing everyone else back, the Rangers have about 14 million in cap space to fill those two holes. If the scouting department feels that Fast or Kristo is ready to fill that hole, that gives you that much more money to play with. You can sign a Stastny and still have 6 million left in cap space. I think we see Sather take a run at Vanek to bump Hagelin down to the third line. Scary, but it can work financially.

If you are bringing everyone but BR and cally back it's more than just MZA who'll want/get a raise. Girardi, Stralman, J Moore, D Moore, Carcillo, Brassard, Poo and Kreider are all up for new contracts.

Then you also have to start thinking about Staal, Stepan and Hags in 12 months time

 

[I Eat Crow]

If you are bringing everyone but BR and cally back it's more than just MZA who'll want/get a raise. Girardi, Stralman, J Moore, D Moore, Carcillo, Brassard, Poo and Kreider are all up for new contracts.

Then you also have to start thinking about Staal, Stepan and Hags in 12 months time

Included those guys. Zucc, Stralman, Girardi are due for significant raises. Brassard and Dom Moore will get modest raises. I'm not worried about new contracts for Hagelin, Staal, Stepan and Kreider. The cap increase in the 2015 offseason will cover them.

 

[Raymones]

Kind of a flavor of the week thing. Same thing happened with Dallas Eakins. A few knowledgable posters commented on Eakins as a potential target. Next thing you know every one on these boards is wanting a coach they have never heard of and not to mention the fact that he had no NHL experience.

Yep. The ones who want to tank after a couple of losses are the funniest. Like they would have the patience to go through a multiyear losing record..

Honestly, I think we should re-sign him. At the very least, we'll have him as insurance at the beginning of the season if McIlrath isn't ready. We can reevaluate next year and if we have an extra defenseman, the worst that could happen is trading either Stralman or Klein for assets.

Yes. Or maybe, Staal really wants that Carolina move? McIlrath might never be ready? Girardi might go down with an injury? Lots of things can happen. I'm sure Stralman can be signed to a reasonable contract. About 3 mil/year give or take a few hundred k. There you've got Stralman and Klein, both solid players on good contracts, and very, very tradeable if it will come to that. There is always the summer to deal with the cap if that would be a problem (I don't think it will).

 

[Ola]

do you honestly think the Rangers are going to trade Callahan?

I think they are sounding the market. And I have no problem with that.

I think the reported numbers are very good, for me its impossible to understand how you can label 1 year and 1 mil as Slats being an "ocean" apart from Callahan. That is close in my book.

If we can get a good deal for Cally, or Girardi, or anyone else cept McD really and Hank who is untradeable, we should do it. We need to change direction a bit.

But I do have a bit of a hard time understanding the logic behind dumping Cally. Getting a B/C-tier prospect/young player and and like a late 1st. If someone is willing to give up a significant piece for a cup run, its one thing. If someone is willing to deal an established player, in an area we need help, for Cally, its another thing. If not, resigning him and look for that opertunity to arise someplace else on the roster.

 

[RangerBoy]

Brooks updated some info again

For the Rangers, that responsibility to construct a team with staying power ultimately falls upon Sather, who hasn’t made any headway at all with Callahan but who, The Post has learned, has made progress over the last week toward signing Dan Girardi, the first-pair right defenseman who also is eligible to hit the open market on July 1.

Sources have told The Post that though Girardi is seeking a six-year deal in the neighborhood of $5.5 million per season, the Blueshirts have countered with a six-year deal in the neighborhood of $5.2 million per season or a five-year contract worth approximately $5.7 million per season. In this case, it seems as if there is a deal to be made.

http://nypost.com/2014/01/29/rangers-broaching-callahan-trades-as-contract-talks-stall/

6/$33M

6/$31.2M or 5/$28.5M

$1.8M is separating the two sides on the six year deal

 

[RangerBoy]

Honestly, I think we should re-sign him. At the very least, we'll have him as insurance at the beginning of the season if McIlrath isn't ready. We can reevaluate next year and if we have an extra defenseman, the worst that could happen is trading either Stralman or Klein for assets.

Another long term contract on D? The Rangers can trade Stralman for assets by the deadline and let another team pay him. Girardi will get 5 or 6. Four more years for Klein.

 

[Vitto79]

Another long term contract on D? The Rangers can trade Stralman for assets by the deadline and let another team pay him. Girardi will get 5 or 6. Four more years for Klein.

Agreed if they find the right deal moving Stralman makes sense. It's not crazy to think they will keep some ufas and let them walk either but next yr girardi, Klein then let mcilrath, Allen, Falk battle it out. Ld looks set

 

[Vitto79]

If you are bringing everyone but BR and cally back it's more than just MZA who'll want/get a raise. Girardi, Stralman, J Moore, D Moore, Carcillo, Brassard, Poo and Kreider are all up for new contracts.

Then you also have to start thinking about Staal, Stepan and Hags in 12 months time

They won't bring them all back. Stralman is gone if or when girardi signs. They can't lock in that much on rd and block mcilrath

Boyle makes too much for a 4th liner . Going Dorsett and resigning Moore and carcillo at 1 million or so is fine. Fast and miller should not be blocked either

 

[nyr2k2]

It was sad last night, watching Pierre talk to Cally after the game, knowing that there's apparently a real possibility that he's on his way out. I never wanted to see that day.

 

[RangerBoy]

Included those guys. Zucc, Stralman, Girardi are due for significant raises. Brassard and Dom Moore will get modest raises. I'm not worried about new contracts for Hagelin, Staal, Stepan and Kreider. The cap increase in the 2015 offseason will cover them.

James Mirtle ran the numbers. $75M cap for 15-16. $80M for 16-17.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...two-years/article15627506/#dashboard/follows/

Those numbers were with a stronger Canadian dollar in late November.

 

[Kokoschka]

Brooks updated some info again



http://nypost.com/2014/01/29/rangers-broaching-callahan-trades-as-contract-talks-stall/

6/$33M

6/$31.2M or 5/$28.5M

$1.8M is separating the two sides on the six year deal

I'd be okay with this. Seriously, you have to re-sign the guy @ 5.5 per for 6 years.

 

[Matt4776]

If we do manage to sign Girardi, our right side is pretty locked down for the foreseeable future. Girardi, Klein, Stralman (until we let him go), McIlrath. Our left side is pretty locked down as well (if Staal stays) with McD, Staal, Moore

I think the issue is still a lack of offense, though. Only McDonagh has proven he could put up points, while Moore is the only guy that I think has a shot of developing into someone that could put up points. Still missing that big right-handed shot for the PP (doesn't necessarily need to be a defenseman, but I digress).

 

[eco's bones]

Seems pretty clear that Girardi's preference is to stay with the Rangers. More or less the numbers he's asking are a home town discount. He'd most probably do a lot better come July. In the neighborhood of $30 million for 5 years work would more than set him up for life after hockey.

 

[haohmaru]

Yeah, I think Girardi's "demands" are more than reasonable. Sather should quit ****ing around and sign the guy.

 

[Rangers ftw]

They won't bring them all back. Stralman is gone if or when girardi signs. They can't lock in that much on rd and block mcilrath

Boyle makes too much for a 4th liner . Going Dorsett and resigning Moore and carcillo at 1 million or so is fine. Fast and miller should not be blocked either

Boyle is maybe overpayed by a couple of hundred, big deal. I'd take Boyle over Dorsett, less injured and would give his right arm for Rangers. Apparently a good locker room guy, you need those...and well yeah, he do actually have a higher PPG. And good at FO.


Regarding Stralman; if we can sign him at around 3-3,5, it's a no brainer, at that cap hit he is tradable or worth keeping if he continue to play like this.

Miller&Fasth are not being blocked, as usual, their spot is for them to take.

 

[NYR Viper]

Callahan's minutes are down quite a bit this year. No PP time. Does AV like the player? Offensively, he seems like like Pouliot more than Callahan. Defensively, he relies heavily on Moore and Boyle. Where does he fit?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

It's January and Callahan is at 6m even. Only 7 years. Slats could easily get it done at 8 years and like 5.75m per.

Cally is 28 y/o. He'd be 36 the last year of that deal. 8 years ago, the cap was 39m, in 8 years the cap will easily be way over 100m. If you front load that 8x5.75m deal to the max, you get a contract that is real easy to move when Cally is 34-36. Like a 2m contract today. Probably around 15-20 teams will be budget teams, salary will matter not cap hit. We could get down Cally's salary to like 3.75m the last three years. 3.75m in a 100-120m cap? It's Poo money...

Why in the world would the rangers give Callahan 8 years under any circumstances?

Perhaps the thing I love most is the glossed over notion that "they can trade him in 3-4 years". Seen it a lot around here.

The reality of the situation is if the rangers don't want Callahan at age 33-34, nobody else will either