And then you're relying on a rookie to play with Moore and the third pairing becomes pretty unreliable once again
Rumor: Trade Rumours Thread XIV: Rangers gauging interest on Callahan/Girardi
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And then you're relying on a rookie to play with Moore and the third pairing becomes pretty unreliable once again
I think if the Rangers could land a package that gave them a serviceable defender back in a deal for Callahan, they could justify moving Stralman as well. The Sharks moved two long-standing players last year at the deadline and then replaced one of them with a cheaper player. The Rangers traded Gaborik at the deadline and brought in three new pieces in the deal. Four new players in one day.
Given Brooks' revisions to his article, I think Girardi will be signed very shortly. Even in the original article it seemed like they weren't that far apart.
Given Brooks' revisions to his article, I think Girardi will be signed very shortly. Even in the original article it seemed like they weren't that far apart.
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I didn't think Allen looked all that unreliable at all. Play him with Staal if need be. That may actually be a good pairing. Moore-Klein, Staal-Allen
The whole point is that they have players who can take his minutes. Stralman isn't Girardi or McDonagh. Letting him walk is almost as bad as letting Callahan walk. He can return some very solid assets as a top-4 RD.
I'm trying to think of this how a team would think of it and I don't feel like they'd be too keen on throwing a rookie into the lineup to play important minutes this time of year.
e: Allen only played like 3 games or something. He didn't look bad but it's kind of hard to say that he is ready for playoff hockey or something
e: Allen only played like 3 games or something. He didn't look bad but it's kind of hard to say that he is ready for playoff hockey or something
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The Rangers did this with McDonagh, why not Allen?
At times this year Staal was out. That's a bigger blow than Stralman. The team was fine. Long-term health. Don't half-ass it. If they move Callahan, move Stralman. Klein has played top-4 minutes before. Give him the PK time in Stralman's place. Allen doesn't need to play on the PK right away. Give him his 15 minutes of even strength time, let Staal get more time on the PP and PK.
McDonagh is and was much better than Allen, and he did come into the lineup earlier in the season by a bit at least.
I still think you're discounting the idea that this team is trying to make the playoffs and win something. Whether or not they really can win something is irrelevant cuz no team in a playoff spot is going to sell in that situation and weaken their team
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and then John moore gets to play with a Rookie, again...
Like what was said earlier, we need 3 reliable defensive pairs, not 2. Torts used to Double shift McD and G because the 3rd pairing was so unreliable in games where we had to fight to take a lead...
Sign Girardi under 6 million for 5 years, trade Callahan for the best offer, is it possible that I actually agree with Sather's plans right now?? 
Unfortunately, I see Stralman leaving for nothing after the season. He just doesn't hold the same value as Girardi or Cally around the league, so I can see Sather holding onto him for the playoff push.
Unfortunately, I see Stralman leaving for nothing after the season. He just doesn't hold the same value as Girardi or Cally around the league, so I can see Sather holding onto him for the playoff push.
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Then they shouldn't trade Callahan because it will weaken their team.
I don't agree with that at all. SJ traded Clowe and Murray last year. On paper they weakened their team. They ended up playing better without them. Opportunities. Who will be around longer than this season?
If they move Callahan, they already understand they can't just continue to lose assets for nothing. It's an awful sports business model in hockey to let players walk for nothing.
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What're we going to do with McIlrath long-term then? ODC would have a field day if this happened.
I think proclaiming the Moore-Klein as top top 4 defenseman is quite a stretch at this point in their careers. They have quite a bit of development to do before reaching that level.
And I'm not sure why a superior player and good top 4 dman in Stralman is being pawned off as if he's some tangible asset.
And I'm not sure why a superior player and good top 4 dman in Stralman is being pawned off as if he's some tangible asset.
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We have four of the same player in Staal-Klein-Stralman-Girardi. One has to go. The D needs offense.
I'd rather not trade Stralman, but one has to go.
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Holy **** I'd pee all over if that comes to be
Calm down R-Kelly no need to pee haha
I believe Callahan could bring some good peices back and that will help set them up for the future
What're we going to do with McIlrath long-term then? ODC would have a field day if this happened.
Hang onto him for a couple more years. Hope he becomes the NHL'er that he isn't right now.
Remember 18 months ago when everyone thought the defense was set, and they just needed one depth guy? Things change quickly.
I see what you're saying, but I think Sather's made a big blunder again. Stralman to Klein makes this team much worse.
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What happens if Girardi and/or Stralman don't sign and aren't traded? Klein at LEAST gives us a safety net, sort of.
Acquiring Klein has done absolutely nothing to make this team worse.
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I think Klein ends up taking the #4 spot and Stralman leaves. With Klein under contract and a likely Girardi extension, you have to think the Rangers would like to find a way to obtain a defenceman on the right side that can play a little more up-tempo than those two players as a way to balance the pairs. Though with Moore likely down on the 3rd pair, maybe they look to acquire another top 4 to replace Stralman and keep Klein as a #5. Think that depends on what we see from him and Moore together and how their games complement one another for the duration of the season.
That's why I think they're likely to obtain a young defenseman in any Callahan trade. Assuming AV stays with the 3 LH - 3 RH model that he clearly prefers.
That's why I think they're likely to obtain a young defenseman in any Callahan trade. Assuming AV stays with the 3 LH - 3 RH model that he clearly prefers.
Klein is 29. He is what he is. He could be a top 4 guy in a pinch, but would be ideally suited for the 3rd pair -- much the same way I feel about Stralman.
Moore can skate like a wind, but scares the piss out of me in every other aspect of the game. Hes got room to develop.
But yes, declaring this a top 4 pair of the future after 2 games is absurd.
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If we let Strålman go because of Kevin Klein I'm going to start breaking stuff. Strålman is a significantly better player than Klein.
If we get into a cap crunch Klein should be traded way before letting Strålman go is even considered.
If we get into a cap crunch Klein should be traded way before letting Strålman go is even considered.
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