Rumor: Trade Rumours Thread XIV: Rangers gauging interest on Callahan/Girardi

[Levitate]

I would resign Dominc Moore, FWIW.

Agree. Moore is a good fourth line player who chips in offensively on occasion. A better site than the 4th lien we've been used to seeing for years that couldn't be counted on for the slightest wiff of offense.

a 5.3 million cap hit would only be a 2m raise over his previous deal, as the cap rises.

It does add up, when you consider Lundqvist went up 1.5 million, Girardi goes up 2, Zuccarello might go up 3, but with the cap raising it mitigates the problem.

And still very likely Richards is bought out.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

if we resign girardi hopefully that doesnt spell the end to stralman. looks like danny deal gets done. i really like our defense with both of those guys on the right side along with kleiner.

if this smoke coming out of colorado is true, and i believe it is as that is a very young (talented) team who could benefit from the leadership of ryan callahan, mcginn would be a nice addition. young, affordable, scrappy talented winger.

mcgin and a 1st seems like a nice package for the capt.

Agree. Getting a good young roster player with potential and a high draft pick would be the going rate. Who knows. Maybe Slats can pry even more. Callahan is worth a lot, in the room and off the ice as well. Im sure thats how theyll sell it.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I dunno that's pretty good for a UFA. McGinn slides into 3rd line duties and Barrie would be an offensive threat

Colorado would need a Dman back so I think Stralman would go and a 2nd rounder comes back to NYR as well

Don't undervalue our players. That's beyond idiotic.

He's our captain, and there should be no reason to move him unless another team ponies up. As I said, there is always the option of moving him later in his contract - an option that people REFUSE to even accept.

You don't handle assets in this manner. The team trading for him pays through their nose for a guy that's been pivotal to our team's success for the last 4 years or they don't get him. Simple as that.

He's not just another UFA. We're not a seller. We're 2nd in our division and we're giving up a guy that opposing GM's praise.

Enough of the BS from this fan base. If we got that ****ing package i'd revolt.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

I'd like to trade Callahan for a second line power forward... but you know that ***** don't happen

 

[Levitate]

The thing is you're not going to get a good young top six player in return for Callahan because you're essentially traded an older, soon to be UFA 2nd line player. The intangibles and all that crap just aren't enough for a team to say "sure we'll give you this young guy who could be a legit scoring threat in a few years"

The value is in the cap space you save, the draft pick(s) you might get, and the useful roster player you can get in return, not necessarily in immediately improving the roster

 

[Let Blaine Die]

If Girardi provided more offense, I could live with him at a cap of $6M per. But he is a 25-point, shutdown defenseman with limited mobility.

$5-5.5 seems reasonable with the cap rising. That is already substantially more than what comparable players such as Hamhuis, Hjalmarsson, and Kronwall (who is superior to Girardi offensively) are making

Kronwall got 7 years. Hopefully we'll get Girardi for 5 years. It evens out, somewhat.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

It would be awesome if they traded Cally, got some serious return and then in the summer he turns around and signs with the Rangers again for decent terms lol

Started drinking early.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

The thing is you're not going to get a good young top six player in return for Callahan because you're essentially traded an older, soon to be UFA 2nd line player. The intangibles and all that crap just aren't enough for a team to say "sure we'll give you this young guy who could be a legit scoring threat in a few years"

The value is in the cap space you save, the draft pick(s) you might get, and the useful roster player you can get in return, not necessarily in immediately improving the roster

And the value for another team is that he'll likely push them over the edge. There will be many teams interested in his services. They can either overpay, like many GM's do for many players of inferior status, or they can go take a hike and we can resign him and trade him at a later juncture.

I'm not interested in fair value. Cally is a fan favorite. Our captain. Guys have been riding his back for YEARS. Are you kidding? He came back off an injury, broke his index finger, and twisted his knee on a rut in the ice... he's had an off year. Agreed. But i'm not selling short on him just because we "have to". We don't have to do jack ****. Another team wants him? Overpay.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

It would be awesome if they traded Cally, got some serious return and then in the summer he turns around and signs with the Rangers again for decent terms lol

Started drinking early.

I thought of this as well... I'm sure if it happens they'll make a rule where you can't do that

 

[Raspewtin]

I really like our D core, right now. A lot of balance.

Problem is they barely score, and that's a problem.

 

[Kakko]

It would be awesome if they traded Cally, got some serious return and then in the summer he turns around and signs with the Rangers again for decent terms lol

Started drinking early.

Hey, I'm still waiting for us to sign Dubi next summer

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

And the value for another team is that he'll likely push them over the edge. There will be many teams interested in his services. They can either overpay, like many GM's do for many players of inferior status, or they can go take a hike and we can resign him and trade him at a later juncture.

I'm not interested in fair value. Cally is a fan favorite. Our captain. Guys have been riding his back for YEARS. Are you kidding? He came back off an injury, broke his index finger, and twisted his knee on a rut in the ice... he's had an off year. Agreed. But i'm not selling short on him just because we "have to". We don't have to do jack ****. Another team wants him? Overpay.

Hopefully we can pull off a MTL trade

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Hey, I'm still waiting for us to sign Dubi next summer

He loathes us.

 

[TheTakedown]

If Girardi stays, Staal is likely leaving. It can also mean that Stralman is also likely leaving.

I'd like to trade Cally for Yandle, then explore a trade of Staal over the offseason.

they play opposite sides from eachother, and there's no other defensemen in the pipeline to take their spots... what in gods name makes you think they areleaving?

 

[offdacrossbar]

Also McGinn and Barrie for our captain in the middle of a playoff push. Infuriating would be the word i'd use about this board.

We're not trading Cally just to get favorites on this team. Everyone heard the name McGinn and suddenly wants him.

He's a 3rd ****ing liner. Barrie is an undersized offensive defenseman yet to realize his potential... so pretty much DZ or Moore without the size.

Terrible return for our captain. We'd have horrific Karma for years to come - reference: Patrick Ewings trade in 2002.

you would not want a young, affordable top 9 forward and a 1st round draft pick for
callahan ?

if the flipside is resigning him at 42 mil over 7 or letting him walk for nothing what then would you choose ?

i want as much as we can get as well but reality dictates that we have to be reasonable. that return (mcginn and a pick) would be near fair market value i would think.

 

[mas0764]

Back to the topic at hand.

With Girardi being close to re-signing, that puts the cross-hairs on Callahan, Boyle, Moore, and Stralman.

I would lean towards moving Callahan, Stralman and Boyle honestly. I think the Rangers could really re-coup some serious assets for those players and honestly, I bet all of them make it to UFA anyways so if they want them back, they can offer market value for them.

Callahan for A-level center prospect + lower line young forward + 1st

Stralman for 1st + middle-tier big bodied forward

Boyle for 2nd + prospect

That would be huge and someone tell me where the team really drops all that much from the roster. Top pairing is intact. Klein can easily move up to the top-4.

Callahan has been out quite a bit this year. On pace for ~45 points. 3rd liner with no PP time right now. His energy will have to be replaced, I think it can be done.

Boyle is already playing out of position on the 4th line. Dorsett can replace Boyle's PK minutes.

You'd hate to see Callahan go, but if that's the haul you could get for him, how do you say no?

Why do you move Stralman, though?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

It would be awesome if they traded Cally, got some serious return and then in the summer he turns around and signs with the Rangers again for decent terms lol

Started drinking early.

Pace yourself, brother - the game doesn't start for three more hours.

 

[Levitate]

And the value for another team is that he'll likely push them over the edge. There will be many teams interested in his services. They can either overpay, like many GM's do for many players of inferior status, or they can go take a hike and we can resign him and trade him at a later juncture.

I'm not interested in fair value. Cally is a fan favorite. Our captain. Guys have been riding his back for YEARS. Are you kidding? He came back off an injury, broke his index finger, and twisted his knee on a rut in the ice... he's had an off year. Agreed. But i'm not selling short on him just because we "have to". We don't have to do jack ****. Another team wants him? Overpay.

I mean, great if they do, I just wouldn't exactly expect it. Even superstars often aren't traded for players who pan out to be much. If your scouting is really good what you want to do is identify players or prospects that have a lot of upside but have some knock against them that keeps their teams from thinking they'll be stars. Similar to the McDonagh trade to some extent (though part of that was Gauthier being crazy it sounds like). A young guy with some upside that hasn't established himself yet, sure, but it's still a risk that they won't pan out. You're not likely to get an established star player in return for Callahan.

And they don't HAVE to trade him but the idea is get something for him or lose him for nothing.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

you would not want a young, affordable top 9 forward and a 1st round draft pick for
callahan ?

if the flipside is resigning him at 42 mil over 7 or letting him walk for nothing what then would you choose ?

i want as much as we can get as well but reality dictates that we have to be reasonable. that return (mcginn and a pick) would be near fair market value i would think.

A 3rd liner that we can probably find buried on another team's depth chart and trade a 4th or later for him?

A 1st round pick in the range of 20-25? or an undersized and inconsistent offensive defenseman that may never realize his future in the NHL?

For:

Arguably, the 2nd most important player to this franchise's success in the last 6 years?

Call me crazy but that seems like a **** package.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Also McGinn and Barrie for our captain in the middle of a playoff push. Infuriating would be the word i'd use about this board.

We're not trading Cally just to get favorites on this team. Everyone heard the name McGinn and suddenly wants him.

He's a 3rd ****ing liner. Barrie is an undersized offensive defenseman yet to realize his potential... so pretty much DZ or Moore without the size.

Terrible return for our captain. We'd have horrific Karma for years to come - reference: Patrick Ewings trade in 2002.

Agree. McGinn would be good... but not as the biggest part of the package.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Would like to see if we can get like frolik (sorry bad spelling) from the jets

 

[offdacrossbar]

If Girardi stays, Staal is likely leaving. It can also mean that Stralman is also likely leaving.

I'd like to trade Cally for Yandle, then explore a trade of Staal over the offseason.

if girardi signs this deal, its stralman thats likely gone. they both play teh right side and with klein locked up and dylan mcilrath close, thats 4 righties

staal may not want to resign but his being dealt wouldnt be based upon resigning girardi.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I mean, great if they do, I just wouldn't exactly expect it. Even superstars often aren't traded for players who pan out to be much. If your scouting is really good what you want to do is identify players or prospects that have a lot of upside but have some knock against them that keeps their teams from thinking they'll be stars. Similar to the McDonagh trade to some extent (though part of that was Gauthier being crazy it sounds like). A young guy with some upside that hasn't established himself yet, sure, but it's still a risk that they won't pan out. You're not likely to get an established star player in return for Callahan.

And they don't HAVE to trade him but the idea is get something for him or lose him for nothing.

I understand that concept. There's also the idea that you don't trade him just for the purpose of trading him. That's what a "fair" deal would be for this particular player.

Team needs to over inflate their offer to pry him from us. That should be Sather's hardline.

 

[Trxjw]

Given that Sather asked for a #1 from the Avs for Del Zotto, I would think the Rangers would want a #1 in any package coming back for Callahan. Would you do Callahan and Boyle/Moore for Barrie, McGinn and a #1? Would the Rangers or Avs do it, for that matter?

I think the Rangers would, and I would take it as well. Doubt the Avs would though.

 

[TheTakedown]

You'd hate to see Callahan go, but if that's the haul you could get for him, how do you say no?

Why do you move Stralman, though?

agree, Stralman is not going anywhere. No team is going to sign him for more money than the Rangers will throw at him, because he is an underrated and unknown 2nd or 3rd pair defenseman...